Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

[Anonymous]

The lady deserves to be charged because of what she did after the baby was born. She didn't call for help. She did nothing but go about her day then come back to plunge the clog. Its totally inhumane how she treated her own dead baby she's supposed to care for. And if you have ever seen a 22 week baby including the gestational sac and placenta its very large, even attempting to flush it is not only stupid for plumbing sake but abuse of a corpse which is what she was charged with. Most people would call 911, an ambulance, a medical examiner or even googled "what to do if I have a still born baby at home" and it says to call 911 immediately. So even playing dumb here she should have been able to figure out what to do and if not she could have looked it up, called the police/hospital. It comes across like she didn't want a bunch or medical bills or to have to pay for the baby to be properly laid to rest which is what this child deserved at 22 weeks old. This does not sound like a caring mother to me going about her day and trying to flush a baby. This is not a dead fish we are talking about here it's a human life that deserved more. And for those of you who think that's unreasonable I feel really sorry for your heart.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Are you really arguing that it makes sense to flush a 22 week old fetus down the toilet? C’mon.

This wasn’t a miscarriage. It was a stillbirth.

Please tell us where the cut off is? You seem to have it all figured out. We are talking about something that was 6 inches long. Where is the cut off for being required to scoop it out of the toilet? And what would you have her do? Call 911, have it rushed to the hospital, declared dead, put in a morgue, taken to a funeral home, hold a funeral?

Please specifically tell us what your pea brain thinks she needed to do.

There is a feature on your device called search, use it. You can find this answer in about 2 seconds.

[Anonymous]

A less exploitative article

https://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-news/2023/11/womans-abuse-of-corpse-case-heads-to-grand-jury/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lady deserves to be charged because of what she did after the baby was born. She didn't call for help. She did nothing but go about her day then come back to plunge the clog. Its totally inhumane how she treated her own dead baby she's supposed to care for. And if you have ever seen a 22 week baby including the gestational sac and placenta its very large, even attempting to flush it is not only stupid for plumbing sake but abuse of a corpse which is what she was charged with. Most people would call 911, an ambulance, a medical examiner or even googled "what to do if I have a still born baby at home" and it says to call 911 immediately. So even playing dumb here she should have been able to figure out what to do and if not she could have looked it up, called the police/hospital. It comes across like she didn't want a bunch or medical bills or to have to pay for the baby to be properly laid to rest which is what this child deserved at 22 weeks old. This does not sound like a caring mother to me going about her day and trying to flush a baby. This is not a dead fish we are talking about here it's a human life that deserved more. And for those of you who think that's unreasonable I feel really sorry for your heart.

Spoken like someone who has ever had the contents of her uterus spill into a toilet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does "went on with her day" mean went to a minimum wage job from which she would have been fired if she called off without notice?

How would we know if it did, or didn't?

+1

The insane amount of reaching here just keeps getting better and better.

As long as you get #theagenda right.

And this is coming from someone who is 100% pro choice. What she did was wrong no matter how you try and twist it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

You are the exact type of woman who votes for these conservative woman hating clowns then cries when it comes back on her. Do you realize that you personally are at risk for the same kind of “investigation” this woman was subjected to? If someone in charge looks at the fact that you lost two different pregnancies at 20 weeks they might think you’re suspicious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

Maybe she was feeling ill. Maybe it was too bloody. Maybe she’s never held a dead baby before and couldn’t do it.

Does it matter?

Yes, it certainly does, because she simply went on with her day

it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

Once again, what exactly does "went on with her day" mean, and how do you know that?

Seems to cover a broad range. When my mother died, I "went on with my day" by going to sit at a fast food place all day, watching the rain. Want to arrest me?

The only reason I know what I did was that someone found me. I was in shock and don't remember it myself.

I’m sorry about your mother.

I went about my day when my father died as well. I had to remind myself to take nearly every breath that day, and the following, care for my mother, nurse my newborn. Who both also continued on, thankfully.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

Maybe she was feeling ill. Maybe it was too bloody. Maybe she’s never held a dead baby before and couldn’t do it.

Does it matter?

Yes, it certainly does, because she simply went on with her day

it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

Toilet paper can clog a toilet.

Here we go again: comparing a 22 week old baby, full gestational sac AND placenta to toilet paper. You can't make this kind of stupid up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

I miscarried a 14 week fetus into a toilet and can tell you that fishing those remnants out of the water to put into a bag and bring to the doctor was about the most traumatizing thing I’ve ever experienced.

Sounds like you experienced your loss in a clean hospital setting where you gave birth in a bed and someone cleaned off your babies before putting them into your arms.

I’m sorry for your loss and experience and I’m sorry for this other woman’s loss and experience.

Please understand that your experience is not universal.

Big big difference between 14 weeks and 22 weeks. Learn biology.

She had the fetus for 22 weeks but since the fetus had died at some point it would not be as large as a typical 22-week fetus.

And it had probably started to rot and didn’t resemble a baby at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

You are the exact type of woman who votes for these conservative woman hating clowns then cries when it comes back on her. Do you realize that you personally are at risk for the same kind of “investigation” this woman was subjected to? If someone in charge looks at the fact that you lost two different pregnancies at 20 weeks they might think you’re suspicious.

Especially if you gave birth at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

Maybe she was feeling ill. Maybe it was too bloody. Maybe she’s never held a dead baby before and couldn’t do it.

Does it matter?

Yes, it certainly does, because she simply went on with her day

it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

Toilet paper can clog a toilet.

Here we go again: comparing a 22 week old baby, full gestational sac AND placenta to toilet paper. You can't make this kind of stupid up.

No you cannot. It’s ridiculous you are attempting to.

I simply mentioned things that can back a bathroom up.

You’re disgusting.

[Anonymous]

How is anyone defending this woman? She left her baby in the toilet bowl and went about her day. She had to cut the cord. She treated her baby like a literal piece of poop. SMH.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does "went on with her day" mean went to a minimum wage job from which she would have been fired if she called off without notice?

How would we know if it did, or didn't?

+1

The insane amount of reaching here just keeps getting better and better.

As long as you get #theagenda right.

And this is coming from someone who is 100% pro choice. What she did was wrong no matter how you try and twist it.

Felony-level “wrong”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does "went on with her day" mean went to a minimum wage job from which she would have been fired if she called off without notice?

How would we know if it did, or didn't?

+1

The insane amount of reaching here just keeps getting better and better.

As long as you get #theagenda right.

And this is coming from someone who is 100% pro choice. What she did was wrong no matter how you try and twist it.

Do you have health insurance? Medical leave? I’m really asking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lady deserves to be charged because of what she did after the baby was born. She didn't call for help. She did nothing but go about her day then come back to plunge the clog. Its totally inhumane how she treated her own dead baby she's supposed to care for. And if you have ever seen a 22 week baby including the gestational sac and placenta its very large, even attempting to flush it is not only stupid for plumbing sake but abuse of a corpse which is what she was charged with. Most people would call 911, an ambulance, a medical examiner or even googled "what to do if I have a still born baby at home" and it says to call 911 immediately. So even playing dumb here she should have been able to figure out what to do and if not she could have looked it up, called the police/hospital. It comes across like she didn't want a bunch or medical bills or to have to pay for the baby to be properly laid to rest which is what this child deserved at 22 weeks old. This does not sound like a caring mother to me going about her day and trying to flush a baby. This is not a dead fish we are talking about here it's a human life that deserved more. And for those of you who think that's unreasonable I feel really sorry for your heart.

so she goes to jail for not being the “caring mother” you think she should have been to her dead fetus.

seriously dystopian.