Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

This prosecution is about punishing her because some squeamish male cop was horrified about what came out of her and was in the toilet pipes. Men have little understanding of what a messy, horrible business pregnancy, birth, miscarriage, menstruation can be. They don't want to know. They want to pretend. This is why for centuries birthing was an all female activity - no men in the room. Men are too squeamish to witness that. And they want someone to blame when things go wrong, used to be the midwife.

And if the lady is a poor black woman, easy target for the misogyinst desire to punish and make an example of women for things they don't even really understand. See "Indiana Politician Reportedly Thinks Tampons Give You Orgasms".

FYI the address that appears to be associated with her in the articles is listed as non profit organization helping women in need.

https://www.beatitudehouse.com/

Oh wow. I wonder if she was hiding the pregnancy and the nuns reported her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

Maybe she was feeling ill. Maybe it was too bloody. Maybe she’s never held a dead baby before and couldn’t do it.

Does it matter?

Yes, it certainly does, because she simply went on with her day

it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

Maybe she was feeling ill. Maybe it was too bloody. Maybe she’s never held a dead baby before and couldn’t do it.

Does it matter?

Yes, it certainly does, because she simply went on with her day

it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

Once again, what exactly does "went on with her day" mean, and how do you know that?

Seems to cover a broad range. When my mother dies, I "went on with my day" by going to sit at a fast food place all day, watching the rain. Want to arrest me?

The only reason I know what I did was that someone found me. I was in shock and don't remember it myself.

[Anonymous]

^^died

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

Maybe she was feeling ill. Maybe it was too bloody. Maybe she’s never held a dead baby before and couldn’t do it.

Does it matter?

Yes, it certainly does, because she simply went on with her day

it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

Toilet paper can clog a toilet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

Maybe she was feeling ill. Maybe it was too bloody. Maybe she’s never held a dead baby before and couldn’t do it.

Does it matter?

Yes, it certainly does, because she simply went on with her day

it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

I’m doubting she went for a mani pedi.

[Anonymous]

Does "went on with her day" mean went to a minimum wage job from which she would have been fired if she called off without notice?

How would we know if it did, or didn't?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

Maybe she was feeling ill. Maybe it was too bloody. Maybe she’s never held a dead baby before and couldn’t do it.

Does it matter?

Yes, it certainly does, because she simply went on with her day

it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

Yea if a pregnant woman sits on a toilet and the contents of her uterus come out of her vagina that means whatever is there will land in the toilet bowl. Are you a male who doesn’t understand female anatomy or the reproduction process?

Also I can just imagine how much tp she used to clean up the mess from her body. Have you ever had a period? Now imagine a period on steroids when your uterus is emptying itself of a pregnancy. You could use up a whole roll of tp trying to clean yourself up down there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does "went on with her day" mean went to a minimum wage job from which she would have been fired if she called off without notice?

How would we know if it did, or didn't?

+1

[Anonymous]

“There are better scholars than I am to determine the exact legal status of this fetus/corpse/body/birthing tissue/whatever it is,” Judge Ivanchak said.

WTF. Are those scholars going to be showing up for grand jury duty in Trumbull County, Ohio?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is why we need to have a legal system not run by ignorant misogynist men who think women have cooties have babies are delivered by the stork.

+1 This is the state where a lawmaker tried to insert an amendment into their abortion ban requiring doctors to transplant an ectopic pregnancy into the woman’s uterus or face fetal murder charges.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and this is probably more what it looked like.

https://community.whattoexpect.com/forums/may-2020-babies/topic/i-think-i-just-had-a-miscarriage-in-the-toilet-84147841.html

That's a miscarriage at a few weeks not a stillborn baby at 22 weeks that weights a pound and is 11 inches and was large enough to clog the toilet. She used a plugger to get the baby down the pipe. Police we're called. That was in fact "abuse of a corpse" which is what she was charged with.

Plugging your dead baby down the toilet=abuse of a corpse for those of you who seem to be very confused by this.

you’re absolutely disgusting

You're disgusted by the facts? Yet not about the lady who did this? Who was able to do this. She literally did just that. That is what you should be outraged at but....you're not. Strange huh?

+100 The people are this thread at total nuts!!!

Listen I am 100% pro choice, but what she did was deplorable. But when you’re blinded by ideology you tend to ignore the facts and try and drum up support for your cause.

SAME! I'm 100% pro choice but it's not ok what she did. Nor the posts making stuff up just to support your cause it devalues your opinion and makes you look like a fool which is what they're doing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Are you really arguing that it makes sense to flush a 22 week old fetus down the toilet? C’mon.

This wasn’t a miscarriage. It was a stillbirth.

Please tell us where the cut off is? You seem to have it all figured out. We are talking about something that was 6 inches long. Where is the cut off for being required to scoop it out of the toilet? And what would you have her do? Call 911, have it rushed to the hospital, declared dead, put in a morgue, taken to a funeral home, hold a funeral?

Please specifically tell us what your pea brain thinks she needed to do.

[Anonymous]

“There are better scholars than I am to determine the exact legal status of this fetus/corpse/body/birthing tissue/whatever it is,” Ivanchak said. “Matter of fact, I’m assuming most of these Issue 1’s all about at what point something becomes viable.”

“This fetus was going to be non-viable. It was going to be non-viable because she had premature ruptured membranes — her water had broken early — and the fetus was too young to be delivered,”


Which is it?