Saturday - Thousands expected to attend pro-Palestine march in DC for ceasefire in Israel-Hamas war

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

They'll be dead, but I guess by your thinking that's "fine".

Easiest, laziest pathway to status quo, which obviously is far preferable to you than true democracy.

Not at all. I, like the vast majority of Jews, would like a free and democratic Israel and a free and democratic Palestine.
I don't know why you continue to pretend that a majority of Palestinians don't want Jews dead. They keep telling you that, and for some reason, you refuse to believe it.

It doesn’t matter to me that any group wants the other dead. There are reasons for those feelings, which need to be addressed. And there are certain measures that can be implemented to restore civility, even with these two petulant groups (the various leadership groups purporting to represent Palestinians AND the leadership of the State of Israel).

Those leadership groups, militant individuals (including settlers) in both populations would need to be dealt with differently, but you’re not going to convince anyone not already warmly ensconced in you echo chamber that the garden variety Palestinian or the garden variety Israeli cannot be brought together.

Frankly, the Palestinians will be asked to extend far more forgiveness given the asymmetric extent of devastation their communities have experienced at the hands of the State of Israel over the past 75 years, but tough luck. They extend it, or they deal with multi-national consequences.

They’re not responsible for the holocaust / shoah, so refusing to capitulate on this transference of guilt isn’t helping anyone move forward.

This is the problem with rational, peaceful Americans. You simply cannot understand the hatred that exists in some people's hearts, and that's lovely. But it's not reality. Israel must deal with reality.

And America needs to deal with its cultural narcissism that drives us to believe we can fix middle eastern cultural clashes that have lasted thousands of years, that we can reverse all the sins of the past and create a utopia, and that we can override basic human biology to make it more acceptable to current tastes. The decadence of it all is stunning.

Palestinians never describe themselves as having self control. Always saying they are incable of not being murderously angry.

That seems to be the reason Arab countries block their refugees from crossing their borders and keeping them away from their citizens

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

They'll be dead, but I guess by your thinking that's "fine".

Easiest, laziest pathway to status quo, which obviously is far preferable to you than true democracy.

Not at all. I, like the vast majority of Jews, would like a free and democratic Israel and a free and democratic Palestine.
I don't know why you continue to pretend that a majority of Palestinians don't want Jews dead. They keep telling you that, and for some reason, you refuse to believe it.

It doesn’t matter to me that any group wants the other dead. There are reasons for those feelings, which need to be addressed. And there are certain measures that can be implemented to restore civility, even with these two petulant groups (the various leadership groups purporting to represent Palestinians AND the leadership of the State of Israel).

Those leadership groups, militant individuals (including settlers) in both populations would need to be dealt with differently, but you’re not going to convince anyone not already warmly ensconced in you echo chamber that the garden variety Palestinian or the garden variety Israeli cannot be brought together.

Frankly, the Palestinians will be asked to extend far more forgiveness given the asymmetric extent of devastation their communities have experienced at the hands of the State of Israel over the past 75 years, but tough luck. They extend it, or they deal with multi-national consequences.

They’re not responsible for the holocaust / shoah, so refusing to capitulate on this transference of guilt isn’t helping anyone move forward.

This is the problem with rational, peaceful Americans. You simply cannot understand the hatred that exists in some people's hearts, and that's lovely. But it's not reality. Israel must deal with reality.

And America needs to deal with its cultural narcissism that drives us to believe we can fix middle eastern cultural clashes that have lasted thousands of years, that we can reverse all the sins of the past and create a utopia, and that we can override basic human biology to make it more acceptable to current tastes. The decadence of it all is stunning.

Palestinians never describe themselves as having self control. Always saying they are incable of not being murderously angry.

I’m not sure I would place my bet on genetic superiority. Did you literally learn nothing from your past?

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

They'll be dead, but I guess by your thinking that's "fine".

Easiest, laziest pathway to status quo, which obviously is far preferable to you than true democracy.

Not at all. I, like the vast majority of Jews, would like a free and democratic Israel and a free and democratic Palestine.
I don't know why you continue to pretend that a majority of Palestinians don't want Jews dead. They keep telling you that, and for some reason, you refuse to believe it.

It doesn’t matter to me that any group wants the other dead. There are reasons for those feelings, which need to be addressed. And there are certain measures that can be implemented to restore civility, even with these two petulant groups (the various leadership groups purporting to represent Palestinians AND the leadership of the State of Israel).

Those leadership groups, militant individuals (including settlers) in both populations would need to be dealt with differently, but you’re not going to convince anyone not already warmly ensconced in you echo chamber that the garden variety Palestinian or the garden variety Israeli cannot be brought together.

Frankly, the Palestinians will be asked to extend far more forgiveness given the asymmetric extent of devastation their communities have experienced at the hands of the State of Israel over the past 75 years, but tough luck. They extend it, or they deal with multi-national consequences.

They’re not responsible for the holocaust / shoah, so refusing to capitulate on this transference of guilt isn’t helping anyone move forward.

This is the problem with rational, peaceful Americans. You simply cannot understand the hatred that exists in some people's hearts, and that's lovely. But it's not reality. Israel must deal with reality.

And America needs to deal with its cultural narcissism that drives us to believe we can fix middle eastern cultural clashes that have lasted thousands of years, that we can reverse all the sins of the past and create a utopia, and that we can override basic human biology to make it more acceptable to current tastes. The decadence of it all is stunning.

Palestinians never describe themselves as having self control. Always saying they are incable of not being murderously angry.

I’m not sure I would place my bet on genetic superiority. Did you literally learn nothing from your past?

I'm not the PP, but nature or nurture?

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So, it's OK now to scale the white house gate and vandalize? The new normal? Just asking.

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So let’s say Israel says ok ceasefire. What’s step 2?

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Anonymous wrote:So let’s say Israel says ok ceasefire. What’s step 2?

Peace
ICC
World condemnation for atrocities
Netflix docu series

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For those complaining about American tax dollars going to Israel, you need to understand much of it goes to funding the Iron Dome.

Without the Iron Dome, those rockets by Hamas would have landed in great number. Then Israel would have been forced to destroy Hamas much earlier.

Our tax dollars essentially bought time for the Gaza Strip.

Do you really think Israel would have allowed rockets to rain down on their towns daily? The Iron Dome allowed them to ignore it. Be glad we had been funding their Iron Dome up to this point.

Also, our tax dollars don't go directly to Israel. They go to our defense contractors. Our foreign aid to Israel is mostly a jobs program with a side of diplomacy.

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Anonymous wrote:For those complaining about American tax dollars going to Israel, you need to understand much of it goes to funding the Iron Dome.

Without the Iron Dome, those rockets by Hamas would have landed in great number. Then Israel would have been forced to destroy Hamas much earlier.

Our tax dollars essentially bought time for the Gaza Strip.

Do you really think Israel would have allowed rockets to rain down on their towns daily? The Iron Dome allowed them to ignore it. Be glad we had been funding their Iron Dome up to this point.

Also, our tax dollars don't go directly to Israel. They go to our defense contractors. Our foreign aid to Israel is mostly a jobs program with a side of diplomacy.

Already understanding what you said, how does any of it make you feel better???

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Anonymous wrote:For those complaining about American tax dollars going to Israel, you need to understand much of it goes to funding the Iron Dome.

Without the Iron Dome, those rockets by Hamas would have landed in great number. Then Israel would have been forced to destroy Hamas much earlier.

Our tax dollars essentially bought time for the Gaza Strip.

Do you really think Israel would have allowed rockets to rain down on their towns daily? The Iron Dome allowed them to ignore it. Be glad we had been funding their Iron Dome up to this point.

Also, our tax dollars don't go directly to Israel. They go to our defense contractors. Our foreign aid to Israel is mostly a jobs program with a side of diplomacy.

Already understanding what you said, how does any of it make you feel better???

You might understand it, but it appears lots of people don't.

I see a lot of people complaining about our foreign aid to Israel. Israel doesn't need our foreign aid to go crush Hamas. They need our foreign aid to ignore them.

Does it make me feel better? Depends on what you mean. I'm not happy with all the deaths. The whole area is the tragedy.

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Anonymous wrote:So, it's OK now to scale the white house gate and vandalize? The new normal? Just asking.

Look, I’m not anti-Israel and pro-Jewish extermination so wouldn’t have been welcomed at the rally, but violating the boundaries of the White House seems much more restrained than rioting in the Capitol and attempting to overthrow an election. Not a fan of either but the latter seems infinitely more egregious. Think the “new normal” of lawlessness under Trump has opened the floodgates for all, sadly.

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Anonymous wrote:For those complaining about American tax dollars going to Israel, you need to understand much of it goes to funding the Iron Dome.

Without the Iron Dome, those rockets by Hamas would have landed in great number. Then Israel would have been forced to destroy Hamas much earlier.

Our tax dollars essentially bought time for the Gaza Strip.

Do you really think Israel would have allowed rockets to rain down on their towns daily? The Iron Dome allowed them to ignore it. Be glad we had been funding their Iron Dome up to this point.

Also, our tax dollars don't go directly to Israel. They go to our defense contractors. Our foreign aid to Israel is mostly a jobs program with a side of diplomacy.

Already understanding what you said, how does any of it make you feel better???

You might understand it, but it appears lots of people don't.

I see a lot of people complaining about our foreign aid to Israel. Israel doesn't need our foreign aid to go crush Hamas. They need our foreign aid to ignore them.

Does it make me feel better? Depends on what you mean. I'm not happy with all the deaths. The whole area is the tragedy.

Yes, it’s a tragedy. But one side of the perspective in the US has compassion for Israel, wants it to survive and protect itself against 75 years of violence from aggressors, and at the same time, yearns for Palestinians to see statehood and freedom and peace.

The other side wants eradication of Jews and is supportive - often explicitly - of Hamas and other attackers who not only want Israel gone, but Jews exterminated. Hamas literally has the eradication of Jews all over the world in their charter and this side sees them as “freedom fighters”.

So stop trying to convince this side of the virtues of supporting Israel. They don’t want Israel because they are not interested in Jewish survival. They celebrated 10/7 on Instagram with posts about “oppressors” and “f—- Zionism” and Palestinian flags well before Israel responded.

Stop trying to convince them.

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Anonymous wrote:I have an idea. They should call for Hamas to release the hostages, which would instantly end the hostilities.

Agree 1000%.

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I treating that the protesters called for ceasefire but not for peace and no mention of the hostages at all.

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Anonymous wrote:For those complaining about American tax dollars going to Israel, you need to understand much of it goes to funding the Iron Dome.

Without the Iron Dome, those rockets by Hamas would have landed in great number. Then Israel would have been forced to destroy Hamas much earlier.

Our tax dollars essentially bought time for the Gaza Strip.

Do you really think Israel would have allowed rockets to rain down on their towns daily? The Iron Dome allowed them to ignore it. Be glad we had been funding their Iron Dome up to this point.

Also, our tax dollars don't go directly to Israel. They go to our defense contractors. Our foreign aid to Israel is mostly a jobs program with a side of diplomacy.

Why is Israeli missle defense the US’s responsibility?

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Anonymous wrote:For those complaining about American tax dollars going to Israel, you need to understand much of it goes to funding the Iron Dome.

Without the Iron Dome, those rockets by Hamas would have landed in great number. Then Israel would have been forced to destroy Hamas much earlier.

Our tax dollars essentially bought time for the Gaza Strip.

Do you really think Israel would have allowed rockets to rain down on their towns daily? The Iron Dome allowed them to ignore it. Be glad we had been funding their Iron Dome up to this point.

Also, our tax dollars don't go directly to Israel. They go to our defense contractors. Our foreign aid to Israel is mostly a jobs program with a side of diplomacy.

Why is Israeli missle defense the US’s responsibility?

Would you have preferred Israel crushed Hamas years ago? Cause that's what would have happened.