For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WFH should take a pay cut. If I have to pay gas, for a car, insurance, car maintenance, can't run errand while I "WFH" or take a nap then yes, WFH people should take a pay cut.

Get a WFH job. Your bad choices are not others’ concern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't care at all, but I think one should take a paycut. Generally, I think anyone who has a job that requires one to work in person, should be paid considerably more. From the grocery restocker to yard work people to teachers to construction crew to janitors to nurses.

This doesn't make any sense at all for some professions. I have a doctorate with decades of experience, where I took all of my courses in person. I've held security clearances that the in-office personnel have never held. And I've always worked at the client site. It's only now that I'm in my early/mid 50s that I'm able to work remotely.

Every time I asked to work remotely, just even one day a week, I was fired when I was in my 30s. We've always had the ability to work from home.

[Anonymous]

I work in an elementary school. We we were teaching online (Sept. through March 2020-2021) I went into my building every day because I knew I had to get out of the house and see other people. I much prefer doing this job in person and have no jealousy or anger towards those who prefer to WFH. I am concerned for those with support jobs or those who work jobs that rely on the foot traffic from office workers.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve had a few conversations with people about the RTO push and who this benefits.

If you’ll notice, most people agitating for RTO are white guys in upper management. Why? In the office, they’re The Man. Without a staff to kiss their ass, who are they?

Furthermore, I think because presumably WFH evens the playing field for POC, as people truly are being evaluated by their output rather than intangibles like “fit,” the white guys are freaking out that the end to their long, nearly exclusive claim to power in corporate America may be fading.

Finally I think a lot of these guys want to cheat, and without “the office” as a place they go to everyday, it makes that a lot harder.

Ok, I am 100% pro WFA but this ^^^ is insane.

I think it's spot-on. Many, many women reported a sense or relief during covid because the workplace harassment stopped.

And a lot of POCs reported a feeling of relief because they were being judged on the quality of their work and not a bunch of other intangibles such as "fit" and whatnot.

Please share links to the surveys that were conducted on these issues. Not that you can, since we know you’re making it up.

https://hbr.org/2022/05/why-many-women-of-color-dont-want-to-return-to-the-office

https://hbr.org/2020/06/working-from-home-while-black

https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/hr-topics/organizational-and-employee-development/pages/report-students-of-color-women-want-remote-jobs.aspx#:~:text=Students%20of%20color%20were%20more,culture%20when%20they%20work%20remotely.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-04-03/work-from-home-race-office

https://www.axios.com/2022/02/22/unequal-return-office-hybrid-women-people-of-color

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/black-workers-return-to-office-future-forum-workplace/

https://www.shrm.org/hr-today/news/hr-magazine/summer2022/pages/remote-work-may-undermine-diversity-efforts-.aspx

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work in an elementary school. We we were teaching online (Sept. through March 2020-2021) I went into my building every day because I knew I had to get out of the house and see other people. I much prefer doing this job in person and have no jealousy or anger towards those who prefer to WFH. I am concerned for those with support jobs or those who work jobs that rely on the foot traffic from office workers.

I understand that many small businesses that support office workers closed but many small businesses in residential areas are thriving with WFH. I almost see if as neutral change given how many coffee shops and lunch places have opened and done well in my residential part of DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WFH should take a pay cut. If I have to pay gas, for a car, insurance, car maintenance, can't run errand while I "WFH" or take a nap then yes, WFH people should take a pay cut.

Well I chose a telework-friendly government job (even pre-COVID I only went in 1 or 2 days per week) over pursuing a higher paying private sector career because as a mom of young kids I very much value flexibility/not having a commute. So I effectively already have chosen the “pay cut.” Do you now think I need to give up more pay because you made a different choice to have an in office job and you’re clearly jealous of my lunch time errands and the fact I don’t have to spend hours each week commuting in a car?

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Wfh is great if you are older and have a hi one office. If you are younger and just starting your career and live in a small apartment or sucks.

[Anonymous]

I am hiring for a very flexible hybrid job. 2-3 days a week at home, casual dress, flex hours, meaning at work or at home pretty much start at 6am if you want, at 12 noon if you want. Work 4 hours one day and catch up later.

But do to scammers first 90 days are in office 5 days a week. Just had women drop out today of interview process as she lied and actually lives in North Carolina using Moms DC address.

Remote and WFH attracts scammers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am hiring for a very flexible hybrid job. 2-3 days a week at home, casual dress, flex hours, meaning at work or at home pretty much start at 6am if you want, at 12 noon if you want. Work 4 hours one day and catch up later.

But do to scammers first 90 days are in office 5 days a week. Just had women drop out today of interview process as she lied and actually lives in North Carolina using Moms DC address.

Remote and WFH attracts scammers

"Do to"

Go back to J1, J2, J3...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WFH should take a pay cut. If I have to pay gas, for a car, insurance, car maintenance, can't run errand while I "WFH" or take a nap then yes, WFH people should take a pay cut.

You get paid for your value add relative to other available workers, not your poor life choices.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:WFH should take a pay cut. If I have to pay gas, for a car, insurance, car maintenance, can't run errand while I "WFH" or take a nap then yes, WFH people should take a pay cut.

You get paid for your value add relative to other available workers, not your poor life choices.

DP. I see this argument all the time. It really isn’t true in an absolute sense unless you are a top expert or there is an extremely low supply of workers with your skill set. Otherwise, companies have always taken into account “costs” necessary for workers to provide their services. If you must live in a HCOL area to provide your services, a company will help defray those costs. Likewise, it makes no sense for a company to pay you HCOL wages after you move to a LCOL area. In fact, the company could argue that you have fewer employment opportunities for your skill set in your new location, so they’ll leverage that against you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WFH should take a pay cut. If I have to pay gas, for a car, insurance, car maintenance, can't run errand while I "WFH" or take a nap then yes, WFH people should take a pay cut.

If we do the same work - shouldn't we get the same pay? Not sure I understand this argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WFH should take a pay cut. If I have to pay gas, for a car, insurance, car maintenance, can't run errand while I "WFH" or take a nap then yes, WFH people should take a pay cut.

Shouldn’t it be the opposite? If I give an employee a laptop and they require an office building to work, shouldn’t their salary reflect this?

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Anonymous wrote:WFH should take a pay cut. If I have to pay gas, for a car, insurance, car maintenance, can't run errand while I "WFH" or take a nap then yes, WFH people should take a pay cut.

If we do the same work - shouldn't we get the same pay? Not sure I understand this argument.

Seems to me the worker demanding an office building should receive a pay cut!

More and more companies will be reducing office space as they figure out technology allows a company to no longer lease or own an office building. It’s a huge expense and a thing of the past. Change happens and technology evolves. Employees used to go to an office building to communicate in person since they didn’t have cell phones or video calls. They pushed papers around before email and electronic documents. It’s bizarre to now have laptops but require everyone to work from a building to send emails as conduct video calls.

[Anonymous]

People who took their HCOL salaries from SF or NYC to LCOL places like Idaho and Mexico City have totally f’ed over the local population and created crazy real estate bubbles. I don’t care if you WFH but people should make the local salary, not their old salary.