For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?

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Anonymous wrote:I think some people need to consider how unnatural it is for humans to spend all day isolated at home behind a computer. It's horrible for you whether you realize it or not.

it's also unnatural to go sit in an office all day. more so than working from wherever you are where you also get to be outside and rest/ exercise etc.

I personally build in gym time into WFH. Take the time I would have spent in the car and spend it doing exercise classes instead.

[Anonymous]

I have been remote for many years, long before the pandemic. My time is billed to clients and I am, for the most part, only paid for the time I bill, so it keeps me accountable. If I have a lazy day, I don't make much money. For he most part, my workload prevents me from being lazy because I had deadlines that often cannot be moved. That said, when my kids were little, I cannot tell you how many times people asked me why they were in daycare. So, so many people thought I should just take care of my kids whole I was working from home. I know another mom who had a nanny and said she heard the same thing frequently. Many people think working from home means they don't really have to work, or at least not anywhere close to all day. It only takes one coworker or subordinate like this to really sour people on WFH.

[Anonymous]

I think the main pushback against work from home is because of the people working two or more full time jobs.

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I always assume people against it are in commercial real estate

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I am not anti-WFH. I am anti-WFH people who half ass their jobs and who are never held accountable, which is too many people. I think some people are "doing their jobs" at home and have managed to figure out how to do their jobs in a lot less time than 40 hours per week over time for all the reasons that happen...natural ebb and flow, efficiency, never taking pro-active initiative and just doing what's asked, etc. They've taken the liberty of filling the free hours with their personal life. Whereas if they were in person somewhere and couldn't do that, they'd probably figure out work things to do at some point because quite frankly they'd be bored.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have been remote for many years, long before the pandemic. My time is billed to clients and I am, for the most part, only paid for the time I bill, so it keeps me accountable. If I have a lazy day, I don't make much money. For he most part, my workload prevents me from being lazy because I had deadlines that often cannot be moved. That said, when my kids were little, I cannot tell you how many times people asked me why they were in daycare. So, so many people thought I should just take care of my kids whole I was working from home. I know another mom who had a nanny and said she heard the same thing frequently. Many people think working from home means they don't really have to work, or at least not anywhere close to all day. It only takes one coworker or subordinate like this to really sour people on WFH.

+1 also some WFH people work 2 FT roles. My organization hinted as much in a senior meeting about RTO. Also some of these people put one or both jobs on their LinkedIn?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the main pushback against work from home is because of the people working two or more full time jobs.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not anti-WFH. I am anti-WFH people who half ass their jobs and who are never held accountable, which is too many people. I think some people are "doing their jobs" at home and have managed to figure out how to do their jobs in a lot less time than 40 hours per week over time for all the reasons that happen...natural ebb and flow, efficiency, never taking pro-active initiative and just doing what's asked, etc. They've taken the liberty of filling the free hours with their personal life. Whereas if they were in person somewhere and couldn't do that, they'd probably figure out work things to do at some point because quite frankly they'd be bored.

I am not anti-WFH. I am anti people who don’t pull their weight/ people who don’t perform/ people who work 2 jobs and lie about it/ people who don’t pay for childcare when they WFH so they aren’t getting done what needs to be done.

I have seen this in WFH people more but also see it in colleagues who are hybrid or are in the office 4/5 days a week. I am a smart and hard worker and if I see someone constantly slacking I have a major issue with it.

If you have a life issue or a health issue I get it and people should have grace for short periods but not months or years imho.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just don’t get why people care if others want to wfh. Are you jealous bc you want the choice to? Are you lonely at the office? I just…. Who cares what other people want to do? I don’t care if people want to go into an office - cool, let them. If people suck at their job presumably they will get let go so… what’s the problem? Let people do what works for them.

Pretty big presumption.

In an economy with an unemployment rate this low you often have to hang on to bad employees because it is hard to replace them at all let alone with someone better. Letting such folks wfh and “do what works for them” is impossible if you want the work to get done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have been remote for many years, long before the pandemic. My time is billed to clients and I am, for the most part, only paid for the time I bill, so it keeps me accountable. If I have a lazy day, I don't make much money. For he most part, my workload prevents me from being lazy because I had deadlines that often cannot be moved. That said, when my kids were little, I cannot tell you how many times people asked me why they were in daycare. So, so many people thought I should just take care of my kids whole I was working from home. I know another mom who had a nanny and said she heard the same thing frequently. Many people think working from home means they don't really have to work, or at least not anywhere close to all day. It only takes one coworker or subordinate like this to really sour people on WFH.

+1 also some WFH people work 2 FT roles. My organization hinted as much in a senior meeting about RTO. Also some of these people put one or both jobs on their LinkedIn?

I have seen my old company which is 100 percent remote some new hires just fizzle out after a few months and then laid off. Two of them their LinkedIn went dark while with us then after lay off they were turned back on with prior company name they are still at.

We also had a lot of FMLA and Paternity Leave scams. We gave RSUs that vested over time even if out on leave. One guy went out on six months Paternity Leave, came back, then was rarely on line then gave two weeks notice. Over that time he collected 9 months of RSU vesting and a few weeks pay. He actually started a new job right after wife gave birth. One guy I did a screen snapshot of him and then zoomed and saw the other work computer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been remote for many years, long before the pandemic. My time is billed to clients and I am, for the most part, only paid for the time I bill, so it keeps me accountable. If I have a lazy day, I don't make much money. For he most part, my workload prevents me from being lazy because I had deadlines that often cannot be moved. That said, when my kids were little, I cannot tell you how many times people asked me why they were in daycare. So, so many people thought I should just take care of my kids whole I was working from home. I know another mom who had a nanny and said she heard the same thing frequently. Many people think working from home means they don't really have to work, or at least not anywhere close to all day. It only takes one coworker or subordinate like this to really sour people on WFH.

+1 also some WFH people work 2 FT roles. My organization hinted as much in a senior meeting about RTO. Also some of these people put one or both jobs on their LinkedIn?

I have seen my old company which is 100 percent remote some new hires just fizzle out after a few months and then laid off. Two of them their LinkedIn went dark while with us then after lay off they were turned back on with prior company name they are still at.

We also had a lot of FMLA and Paternity Leave scams. We gave RSUs that vested over time even if out on leave. One guy went out on six months Paternity Leave, came back, then was rarely on line then gave two weeks notice. Over that time he collected 9 months of RSU vesting and a few weeks pay. He actually started a new job right after wife gave birth. One guy I did a screen snapshot of him and then zoomed and saw the other work computer.

People act like this kind of thing is rare. It isn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't care at all, but I think one should take a paycut. Generally, I think anyone who has a job that requires one to work in person, should be paid considerably more. From the grocery restocker to yard work people to teachers to construction crew to janitors to nurses.

Agree. It’s a lot harder to work from an office every day vs working from home and the compensation should reflect that.