Columbia permanently pulls out of US news

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a little embarrassing that one of the posters in this thread keeps claiming that it’s only one person criticizing Columbia. Look anywhere else on the internet beyond DCUM and a lot of people are expressing disappointment and ridicule at Columbia’s expense. They were caught cheating, red-handed, and are now throwing in the towel while maintaining an air that the rankings don’t matter or that they’re above the rankings. Well, they certainly *did* care about the rankings for the many, many years they baldly lied to get ahead, and enjoyed the accompanying prestige.

Did you read what the Columbia math Prof said? Did he say this is unique to Columbia? He concluded the US News ranking is meaningless.

+1.

From the Columbia math prof's report: "Eighty percent of the U.S. News ranking of a university is based on information reported by the university itself. This information is detailed and subtle, and the vetting conducted by U.S. News is cursory enough to allow many inaccuracies to slip through." http://www.math.columbia.edu/~thaddeus/ranking/investigation.html

The only difference is that somebody at Columbia had access to the data and reported it. And Columbia still hasn't fired this guy, you can still find his CV on their website.

ALL colleges game the system. Even without that unverifiable 80% of the ranking, how is what Columbia did much different from U Chicago sending my kids weekly postcards to boost applications and lower their acceptance rate? The USNWR incentives are all wrong, as the math prof points out in more detail in his article.

Classic whataboutism…So cheating is justified even when gotten caught? If this ranking is considered by many schools as a fraud, why didn’t they quit before some scandals happened?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a little embarrassing that one of the posters in this thread keeps claiming that it’s only one person criticizing Columbia. Look anywhere else on the internet beyond DCUM and a lot of people are expressing disappointment and ridicule at Columbia’s expense. They were caught cheating, red-handed, and are now throwing in the towel while maintaining an air that the rankings don’t matter or that they’re above the rankings. Well, they certainly *did* care about the rankings for the many, many years they baldly lied to get ahead, and enjoyed the accompanying prestige.

Did you read what the Columbia math Prof said? Did he say this is unique to Columbia? He concluded the US News ranking is meaningless.

+1.

From the Columbia math prof's report: "Eighty percent of the U.S. News ranking of a university is based on information reported by the university itself. This information is detailed and subtle, and the vetting conducted by U.S. News is cursory enough to allow many inaccuracies to slip through." http://www.math.columbia.edu/~thaddeus/ranking/investigation.html

The only difference is that somebody at Columbia had access to the data and reported it. And Columbia still hasn't fired this guy, you can still find his CV on their website.

ALL colleges game the system. Even without that unverifiable 80% of the ranking, how is what Columbia did much different from U Chicago sending my kids weekly postcards to boost applications and lower their acceptance rate? The USNWR incentives are all wrong, as the math prof points out in more detail in his article.

Classic whataboutism…So cheating is justified even when gotten caught? If this ranking is considered by many schools as a fraud, why didn’t they quit before some scandals happened?

Nope, try again. Nobody said cheating is justified. Only that most of the schools and this math prof think the USNWR rankings are useless, but they feel trapped by it. Also that Columbia is the only school where an insider revealed the cheating but you can be sure it goes on elsewhere with things like alumni donations, which USNWR has no way of validating. Next time read more carefully.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a little embarrassing that one of the posters in this thread keeps claiming that it’s only one person criticizing Columbia. Look anywhere else on the internet beyond DCUM and a lot of people are expressing disappointment and ridicule at Columbia’s expense. They were caught cheating, red-handed, and are now throwing in the towel while maintaining an air that the rankings don’t matter or that they’re above the rankings. Well, they certainly *did* care about the rankings for the many, many years they baldly lied to get ahead, and enjoyed the accompanying prestige.

Did you read what the Columbia math Prof said? Did he say this is unique to Columbia? He concluded the US News ranking is meaningless.

+1.

From the Columbia math prof's report: "Eighty percent of the U.S. News ranking of a university is based on information reported by the university itself. This information is detailed and subtle, and the vetting conducted by U.S. News is cursory enough to allow many inaccuracies to slip through." http://www.math.columbia.edu/~thaddeus/ranking/investigation.html

The only difference is that somebody at Columbia had access to the data and reported it. And Columbia still hasn't fired this guy, you can still find his CV on their website.

ALL colleges game the system. Even without that unverifiable 80% of the ranking, how is what Columbia did much different from U Chicago sending my kids weekly postcards to boost applications and lower their acceptance rate? The USNWR incentives are all wrong, as the math prof points out in more detail in his article.

Classic whataboutism…So cheating is justified even when gotten caught? If this ranking is considered by many schools as a fraud, why didn’t they quit before some scandals happened?

Classic cherry picking... Choosing to make selective choices to emphasize results that support one's bias, all the while ignoring any findings in favor of one's alma mater.

[Anonymous]

How is NYU not a direct peer to Columbia? NYU has a top 5 undergrad b-school, top 5 law school, top 10 med school, top 10 mba program. Overall undergrad ranking 25 while Columbia is 18.

[Anonymous]

Diploma mill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is NYU not a direct peer to Columbia? NYU has a top 5 undergrad b-school, top 5 law school, top 10 med school, top 10 mba program. Overall undergrad ranking 25 while Columbia is 18.

It's definitely closing the gap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is NYU not a direct peer to Columbia? NYU has a top 5 undergrad b-school, top 5 law school, top 10 med school, top 10 mba program. Overall undergrad ranking 25 while Columbia is 18.

I think you're looking at generational differences of perception that's all. I'm in my early 50s and never considered them remotely on a par but I do think that NYU has evolved hugely since I was in my late teens and it is likely they're much closer than they ever were in terms of prestige and what they offer. It is the younger posters more likely to know this or those more closely involved with higher education, professionally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is NYU not a direct peer to Columbia? NYU has a top 5 undergrad b-school, top 5 law school, top 10 med school, top 10 mba program. Overall undergrad ranking 25 while Columbia is 18.

It's definitely closing the gap.

This is what Columbia is afraid of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is NYU not a direct peer to Columbia? NYU has a top 5 undergrad b-school, top 5 law school, top 10 med school, top 10 mba program. Overall undergrad ranking 25 while Columbia is 18.

It's definitely closing the gap.

Run a net price calculator for your kid for NYU. Ivy FA is significantly better. There's definitely a gap between NYU and ivies when it comes to FA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sure, I'm not a Columbia stan. They cheated on the rankings. I'm a fan of the GS program, which is 43% Pell-eligible students. So I dismiss the idea that this is a rich kids back door.

Columbia should shout it from the rooftops. Tell prospective Columbia College families know that they'll be sitting in the same classes with older, often part-time School of General Studies students and getting the same diplomas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where this really hurts Columbia is in long term fundraising and endowment. Those alums really liked the prestige, now not so much. And the endowment drives need based scholarships.

Their alumni giving percentages are already weak.

[Anonymous]

Rankings are a thing if the past.

[Anonymous]

To me this indicates there is a very strong chance that after they were exposed by their tenured math professor (which quite honestly was extremely damning) they did their own audit and my gut tells me that the truth is much worse than what he uncovered. Otherwise, they would just come clean with the reality. That they didn't come back from his damning accusations and keep it real, indicates to me that there is a highly likely chance that the facts were way worse than what the math professor unearthed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To me this indicates there is a very strong chance that after they were exposed by their tenured math professor (which quite honestly was extremely damning) they did their own audit and my gut tells me that the truth is much worse than what he uncovered. Otherwise, they would just come clean with the reality. That they didn't come back from his damning accusations and keep it real, indicates to me that there is a highly likely chance that the facts were way worse than what the math professor unearthed.

Columbia know how bad their real stats are. That’s why they’re trotting out “USNWR will downgrade us even more to make an example out of us.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, I'm not a Columbia stan. They cheated on the rankings. I'm a fan of the GS program, which is 43% Pell-eligible students. So I dismiss the idea that this is a rich kids back door.

Columbia should shout it from the rooftops. Tell prospective Columbia College families know that they'll be sitting in the same classes with older, often part-time School of General Studies students and getting the same diplomas.

Please shut up and stop spreading incorrect information.