Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

If you apply early to Wake, they will admit same students getting admitted to Tulane early. No way Wake is harder admit.

Not at our private. Wake takes the kids that are top 15 to 20 percent. Tulane takes the kids at the median, they will yield protect against top kids.

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Too many people on this thread are lumping in Big 3 with other schools. It is not the same. The top kids at Big 3 get into Ivy, UCB, Stanford, Chicago. They are not Quince Orchard, Robinson or St. Johns.

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If you apply early to Wake, they will admit same students getting admitted to Tulane early. No way Wake is harder admit.


Both these schools take huge percent of class ED so that they seem impossible to get into RD...that is the only reason they seem selective.

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If you apply early to Wake, they will admit same students getting admitted to Tulane early. No way Wake is harder admit.

Both these schools take huge percent of class ED so that they seem impossible to get into RD...that is the only reason they seem selective.

So does Emory, Vandy, Chicago, Wash U, BC, etc … that doesn’t mean the schools are admitting the same students.

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

Vandy is not far more competitive than Emory, and Wake is no where near the other two pertaining to selectivity ot prestige. Emory has an 11% acceptance rate compared to Wake's 25%.

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

Vandy is not far more competitive than Emory, and Wake is no where near the other two pertaining to selectivity ot prestige. Emory has an 11% acceptance rate compared to Wake's 25%.

Isn't Wake need aware?

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

Vandy is not far more competitive than Emory, and Wake is no where near the other two pertaining to selectivity ot prestige. Emory has an 11% acceptance rate compared to Wake's 25%.

Isn't Wake need aware?

Yes they are, I honestly don't know how they're a top 30 school. Granted they're 29, but that's still too high.

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

Vandy is not far more competitive than Emory, and Wake is no where near the other two pertaining to selectivity ot prestige. Emory has an 11% acceptance rate compared to Wake's 25%.

Except Wake isn’t 25, it was 20 last year and will move another few percentage points lower this year due to another large increase in applications. Emory’s ED acceptance rate is nearly double vandy’s as is its RD rate, thus Vandy is clearly a more competitive admit.

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

Vandy is not far more competitive than Emory, and Wake is no where near the other two pertaining to selectivity ot prestige. Emory has an 11% acceptance rate compared to Wake's 25%.

Isn't Wake need aware?

Yes they are, I honestly don't know how they're a top 30 school. Granted they're 29, but that's still too high.

+1 Tufts is ranked 32. It's weird.

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

Vandy is not far more competitive than Emory, and Wake is no where near the other two pertaining to selectivity ot prestige. Emory has an 11% acceptance rate compared to Wake's 25%.

Except Wake isn’t 25, it was 20 last year and will move another few percentage points lower this year due to another large increase in applications. Emory’s ED acceptance rate is nearly double vandy’s as is its RD rate, thus Vandy is clearly a more competitive admit.

Emorys ED rate is 21%. Vandys is 15%. You're confusing how's the schools report their ed numbers. Emory reports ED1 and ED2 separately. Vandy only reports ED1&2 as a combined number. Theres only a 5% or so difference.

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

Vandy is not far more competitive than Emory, and Wake is no where near the other two pertaining to selectivity ot prestige. Emory has an 11% acceptance rate compared to Wake's 25%.

Except Wake isn’t 25, it was 20 last year and will move another few percentage points lower this year due to another large increase in applications. Emory’s ED acceptance rate is nearly double vandy’s as is its RD rate, thus Vandy is clearly a more competitive admit.

Emorys ED rate is 21%. Vandys is 15%. You're confusing how's the schools report their ed numbers. Emory reports ED1 and ED2 separately. Vandy only reports ED1&2 as a combined number. Theres only a 5% or so difference.

Emory’s ED acceptance rate was 37.5 in 2023 which was actually an increase from 2022. https://www.collegevine.com/questions/36194/emory-s-class-of-2027-ed1-acceptance-rate-creeps-slightly-higher-from-36-5-to-37-4. Vandy’s rate was 16 so Emory is more than double.

And yes, you can’t not count admissions to Emory Oxford, they are the same school.

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

Vandy is not far more competitive than Emory, and Wake is no where near the other two pertaining to selectivity ot prestige. Emory has an 11% acceptance rate compared to Wake's 25%.

Isn't Wake need aware?

Yes they are, I honestly don't know how they're a top 30 school. Granted they're 29, but that's still too high.

+1 Tufts is ranked 32. It's weird.

Wake has been ranked in the T30 for well over a decade. 29 is actually lower than they have been in recent years.

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

Vandy is not far more competitive than Emory, and Wake is no where near the other two pertaining to selectivity ot prestige. Emory has an 11% acceptance rate compared to Wake's 25%.

Except Wake isn’t 25, it was 20 last year and will move another few percentage points lower this year due to another large increase in applications. Emory’s ED acceptance rate is nearly double vandy’s as is its RD rate, thus Vandy is clearly a more competitive admit.

Emorys ED rate is 21%. Vandys is 15%. You're confusing how's the schools report their ed numbers. Emory reports ED1 and ED2 separately. Vandy only reports ED1&2 as a combined number. Theres only a 5% or so difference.

Emory’s ED acceptance rate was 37.5 in 2023 which was actually an increase from 2022. https://www.collegevine.com/questions/36194/emory-s-class-of-2027-ed1-acceptance-rate-creeps-slightly-higher-from-36-5-to-37-4. Vandy’s rate was 16 so Emory is more than double.

And yes, you can’t not count admissions to Emory Oxford, they are the same school.

Again that is ED1 one not ED2. Emory's ED2 rate is 12%
https://emorywheel.com/emory-admits-245-more-students-to-class-of-2027-in-ed2-garnering-a-12-acceptance-rate/
Combine ED1 and 2, you get 21%.

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.

I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.

hamilton and wake are not the same tier

Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.

I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.

Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.

If you apply early to Wake, they will admit same students getting admitted to Tulane early. No way Wake is harder admit.

Unfortunately, this is simply not true. First hand experience.

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Emory wants to reward students who choose it as their very first choice. That's why the ED1 rate is much higher than ED2. They could easily divide it up more evenly between the two rounds but choose not to.