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Anonymous wrote:If you people only knew how the sausage is made.

If you only knew.

It’s hilarious to see DCUM suckling at this teat, year after year. US News rankings are worthless. I know from 20 years of insider experience.

You people?

Yes, you people who use this and other commercial measures instead of, you know, visiting a place and talking to graduates and who use rankings as a stick to beat down your children’s preferences and try to knock down other parents and students down pegs instead of being happy for them where they look and where they end up. You. People.

SMDH.

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Clemson is a solid public university at #77 but their own description of their founder is cringeworthy: https://www.clemson.edu/about/history/bios/thomas-g-clemson.html

How has the school kept the name?

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Anonymous wrote:Ha I went to UVA and thrilled they are 25. But in no way are they better than Michigan. Period. End.

I would choose UVA over UMich for undergraduate studies if cost is about same (no matter what major). UMich student body is just too big even from public school's point of view. But I would pick UMich over UVA for graduate studies, especially for engineering.

I would do the exact opposite.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

No one would choose Notre Dame over an Ivy with the exception of someone who values a Catholic education.

I'm not a ND grad and have to think some people would absolutely choose ND over an Ivy, especially beyond HYP. It is one of those schools that many people really do grow up dreaming about attending from a young age. ND also has more $$ than half of the Ivy League (only Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Penn have larger endowments), which doesn't hurt and will continue to help in the future.


Those of you who live in high-end areas must see kids wearing ND stuff! Having moved to the MD suburbs after being in Palo Alto and Mountain View, CA for most of the last decade, I've seen a lot of ND gear on both coasts.


Will the 0-2 football start hurt applications ?

I never see any. I must not be in a "high-end" enough area.

the Chevy Chase neighborhoods surrounding Blessed Sacrament / CCC have some car stickers.

I was shocked to see an ND badge on the car of our newest neighbor in CCDC because we're outside the orbit (tentacles?) of Blessed Sacrament. I worry we're getting more Repube in 20015, I've definitely noticed an uptick as the area has grown so much more expensive compared to its ACLU / journalist / Jewish / non-profit days.

Are you serious? You think a ND sticker on a car means they are republican? You don't get out much.

NP. I have no axe to grind but whenever I see Notre Dame, I think GOP too.

So there are a lot of ignorant people here on DCUM.

So, there are a lot of Catholic-hating bigots on DCUM. I just wanted to be more specific.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha I went to UVA and thrilled they are 25. But in no way are they better than Michigan. Period. End.

I would choose UVA over UMich for undergraduate studies if cost is about same (no matter what major). UMich student body is just too big even from public school's point of view. But I would pick UMich over UVA for graduate studies, especially for engineering.

I would do the exact opposite.

Clarifying. I would pick Michigan over UVA for an undergraduate degree, no matter what major it costs were similar. For graduate school I would still pick Michigan. The undergraduate student body size really isn’t much of a concern to me since neither school is a LAC or small university.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

No one would choose Notre Dame over an Ivy with the exception of someone who values a Catholic education.

I'm not a ND grad and have to think some people would absolutely choose ND over an Ivy, especially beyond HYP. It is one of those schools that many people really do grow up dreaming about attending from a young age. ND also has more $$ than half of the Ivy League (only Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Penn have larger endowments), which doesn't hurt and will continue to help in the future.


Those of you who live in high-end areas must see kids wearing ND stuff! Having moved to the MD suburbs after being in Palo Alto and Mountain View, CA for most of the last decade, I've seen a lot of ND gear on both coasts.


Will the 0-2 football start hurt applications ?

I never see any. I must not be in a "high-end" enough area.

Probably not . College football gives ND a lot of visibility and popularity. Did Rudy grow up wanting to play at Harvard or Stanford?

Rudy was from a high-end area?

So high end.

Joliet is certainly not considered high-end.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.

You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.

It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.

Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).

Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.

Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.

Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.

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Anonymous wrote:How long will Columbia be ranked around the #18 range? Is that ranking here to stay, or is it just a one year fluke as "punishment" for the data falsification scandal?

I'd expect them to be back in the 7-18 range over the next 5 years but gone are the top 5 days. Honestly, did anyone really believe they were a top 5 undergrad school though?

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Every Columbia undergrad alum I know hated their time there. The lack of focus on undergrads, poor funding, poor sense of community, and cutthroat and competitive vibe make Columbia a second-tier experience compared to HYPSM or even Penn/Dartmouth/Brown.

Exhibit A:

https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/comments/x9jnjy/where_can_i_find_some_people_who_arent_obsessed/

+2. No one ever bought that Columbia was top 5.

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Columbia undergrad alum here and I'd never send my kids there. Most of the people I know from undergrad say the same. IIRC Columbia has the lowest percent of the student body who are legacies because most alumni are smart enough not to have their kid repeat the same mistake they made.

Didn't know the legacy info about Columbia. I've worked with quite a few alums who also didn't love their experiences. Interestingly, graduates of their professional schools have had far more positive things to say.

This makes me feel better about going to a liberal arts college instead. I was accepted to Columbia and my parents discouraged me from going. I’ve sometimes wondered whether I should have pushed harder to at least visit.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha I went to UVA and thrilled they are 25. But in no way are they better than Michigan. Period. End.

I would choose UVA over UMich for undergraduate studies if cost is about same (no matter what major). UMich student body is just too big even from public school's point of view. But I would pick UMich over UVA for graduate studies, especially for engineering.

I picked UVA law over Michigan and I was happy with my decision.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.

You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.

It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.

Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).

Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.

Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.

Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.

They are too precious for the commoners app.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha I went to UVA and thrilled they are 25. But in no way are they better than Michigan. Period. End.

I would choose UVA over UMich for undergraduate studies if cost is about same (no matter what major). UMich student body is just too big even from public school's point of view. But I would pick UMich over UVA for graduate studies, especially for engineering.

I would do the exact opposite.

Clarifying. I would pick Michigan over UVA for an undergraduate degree, no matter what major it costs were similar. For graduate school I would still pick Michigan. The undergraduate student body size really isn’t much of a concern to me since neither school is a LAC or small university.

I think both schools have advantages as undergraduate institutions over UCLA and Berkeley, yet they have knives out for each other.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha I went to UVA and thrilled they are 25. But in no way are they better than Michigan. Period. End.

I would choose UVA over UMich for undergraduate studies if cost is about same (no matter what major). UMich student body is just too big even from public school's point of view. But I would pick UMich over UVA for graduate studies, especially for engineering.

I would do the exact opposite.

Clarifying. I would pick Michigan over UVA for an undergraduate degree, no matter what major it costs were similar. For graduate school I would still pick Michigan. The undergraduate student body size really isn’t much of a concern to me since neither school is a LAC or small university.

Mich has an undergrad student population of 32,000 and Uva has 17,000 for Fall 2021, with Mich almost twice as many as Uva. Same problem with UC Berkeley. Very difficult to get a popular class and some class' size is humongous, sometimes in thousands. Not a good experience for undergrads. Definitely I would pick Uva if I have the option.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha I went to UVA and thrilled they are 25. But in no way are they better than Michigan. Period. End.

I would choose UVA over UMich for undergraduate studies if cost is about same (no matter what major). UMich student body is just too big even from public school's point of view. But I would pick UMich over UVA for graduate studies, especially for engineering.

I would do the exact opposite.

Clarifying. I would pick Michigan over UVA for an undergraduate degree, no matter what major it costs were similar. For graduate school I would still pick Michigan. The undergraduate student body size really isn’t much of a concern to me since neither school is a LAC or small university.

Mich has an undergrad student population of 32,000 and Uva has 17,000 for Fall 2021, with Mich almost twice as many as Uva. Same problem with UC Berkeley. Very difficult to get a popular class and some class' size is humongous, sometimes in thousands. Not a good experience for undergrads. Definitely I would pick Uva if I have the option.

Niche and Princeton Review have survey questions about getting classes, professor teaching quality and commitment, etc. UVA doesn't do any better than Michigan. Both do better than UCLA and Berkeley.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

No one would choose Notre Dame over an Ivy with the exception of someone who values a Catholic education.

I'm not a ND grad and have to think some people would absolutely choose ND over an Ivy, especially beyond HYP. It is one of those schools that many people really do grow up dreaming about attending from a young age. ND also has more $$ than half of the Ivy League (only Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Penn have larger endowments), which doesn't hurt and will continue to help in the future.


Those of you who live in high-end areas must see kids wearing ND stuff! Having moved to the MD suburbs after being in Palo Alto and Mountain View, CA for most of the last decade, I've seen a lot of ND gear on both coasts.


Will the 0-2 football start hurt applications ?

I never see any. I must not be in a "high-end" enough area.

the Chevy Chase neighborhoods surrounding Blessed Sacrament / CCC have some car stickers.

I was shocked to see an ND badge on the car of our newest neighbor in CCDC because we're outside the orbit (tentacles?) of Blessed Sacrament. I worry we're getting more Repube in 20015, I've definitely noticed an uptick as the area has grown so much more expensive compared to its ACLU / journalist / Jewish / non-profit days.

Are you serious? You think a ND sticker on a car means they are republican? You don't get out much.

NP. I have no axe to grind but whenever I see Notre Dame, I think GOP too.

So there are a lot of ignorant people here on DCUM.

So, there are a lot of Catholic-hating bigots on DCUM. I just wanted to be more specific.

Catholic hating bigots?? If I see a Cal sticker, I think tree hugger. MIT, rocket scientist. Wow, people are sensitive.

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Anonymous wrote:Clemson is a solid public university at #77 but their own description of their founder is cringeworthy: https://www.clemson.edu/about/history/bios/thomas-g-clemson.html

How has the school kept the name?

You might want to look into Nicholas Brown and Elihu Yale.