MCPS faces Teacher shortage next year

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Anonymous wrote:This thread looks more like MCPS PR priming the parents in this area for a soft landing when they learn about MCPS failure to meet the needs of all students. Just an observation

It looks more like people telling other people what to realistically expect in the fall and other people resisting it and laughing it off.

Every year there is some turnover. Since enrollment has been going down (covered in other threads), they have been overstaffed. This belief that there's a shortage is based on the annual turnover; however, the county doesn't appear to think it's an issue since they aren't hiring.

I'm confused as to where people think they aren't hiring. ONE person in this thread said it was difficult for their friend's daughter to get hired (spoiler: then she WAS hired)...somehow everyone took that and ran with it as they are not hiring. They ARE. Jobs are being posted and those jobs disappear-because they've been filled. New jobs go up the next day. MCPS is absolutely hiring.

Really the PP stated a well-qualified applicant was turned away because they weren't hiring. I've been following this thread despite the lack of any tangible information and didn't see where the PP said their friend's daughter got hired. Which page is that on?

DP. It's on page 3, 06/21/2022 09:42

The funniest part is, it was all in ONE post. People are sure quick to jump to outrage when they apparently can't even read.

Maybe if they had enough teachers people would be better at reading!

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Anonymous wrote:Some MCPS schools, including my DC's, seem to have too many teachers. It's sounding like the schools with the good principals don't have as many staffing issues?

Also, many former MCPS students have gone elsewhere due to the in-person school closures.

So would be curious which schools are the ones with all these unfilled positions.

Why does it seem that way to you?

Classrooms with only about 11 or so students

That seems really low, even for a Title 1 school

I'd be curious what grade- our Focus school was very imbalanced this year. Kindergarten classes all had 20+ students but some of the 1st-3nd grade classes were <15.

That's strange. Principals can move teachers within their school to a different grade level to prevent these imbalances. Unless a a high number of the 1st and 2nd graders withdrew after the school year began?

There's been a surplus at a lot of schools since enrollment went down.

If you say so. Not my experience.

Anecdotally, this has only been true in wealthy single family neighborhoods where people are retiring in place and young families that do move in are having fewer children. The rest of the county has been growing.

Strange, the thread here a week or so ago claimed enrollment was way DOWN and people were leaving droves for private. I don't so how both of these things can be true.

Enrollment plummeted in 2020 due to virtual. It increased last year.

There was just a thread last month that claimed MCPS was overstaffed because enrollment was plumetting. I just don't see how all these things can be true.

Between this and the fact that apparently they're turning away great applicants in droves leads me to believe this isn't much of a shortage.

If they're not hiring, then there probably isn't a shortage.

The problem with your premise is that you expect them to be reasonable and logical. Education departments at the state or county level are set up to follow rigid rules rather than a common sense flexible approach. I have seen them fire strong teachers who are missing a small portion of their certification requirements and then fill the position with a warm-body sub for 6months because no qualified person was available or interested in the position. They ended up hurting students rather than helping. They could have given the teacher a one-time extension to take care of the missing requirement but nope. Rules must be followed

Nope - if they needed people they'd be hiring but they aren't so the rumors of this shortage are greatly exaggerated.

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Lol, one person on this hellsite mentioned their friend's daughter didn't automatically get hired and so everyone just assumes MCPS isn't hiring? So pathetic.

Almost every media outlet has reported the mass exodus of teachers. There were positions that could not be filed last school year. There are people leaving even before retirement. Even at my child’s graduation, the BOE member was pitching for graduates to come back and work for MCPS.

I am not understanding why someone is trying to dispute that a staffing shortage exists.

They were overstaffed. They're not hiring. There's no shortage. The sky isn't falling.

Your theory is that they're advertising over 750 open positions just for kicks?

Mostly yes. Others have already posted that many highly qualified applicants had applied and were rejected so it appears they aren't really hiring at this time.

I haven’t seen a lot of posters saying that. I posted above that I was offered a position and turned it down because MCPS wouldn’t honor my years of experience. Other counties look more appealing to experienced teachers. I have seen others say the same on this thread.

Then you need to go back and read this thread where it was discussed at length how many recent grads who had graduated from at the top of their class can't even get an interview with MCPS.

That's correct there were several posts going on about how these top students were being rejected outright.

As I could tell there was one third hand anecdote about one student which I don't think is something you can really extrapolate into some trend.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread looks more like MCPS PR priming the parents in this area for a soft landing when they learn about MCPS failure to meet the needs of all students. Just an observation

It looks more like people telling other people what to realistically expect in the fall and other people resisting it and laughing it off.

Every year there is some turnover. Since enrollment has been going down (covered in other threads), they have been overstaffed. This belief that there's a shortage is based on the annual turnover; however, the county doesn't appear to think it's an issue since they aren't hiring.

I'm confused as to where people think they aren't hiring. ONE person in this thread said it was difficult for their friend's daughter to get hired (spoiler: then she WAS hired)...somehow everyone took that and ran with it as they are not hiring. They ARE. Jobs are being posted and those jobs disappear-because they've been filled. New jobs go up the next day. MCPS is absolutely hiring.

Really the PP stated a well-qualified applicant was turned away because they weren't hiring. I've been following this thread despite the lack of any tangible information and didn't see where the PP said their friend's daughter got hired. Which page is that on?

Anecdote v. hundreds of job listings. OK.

Lots of companies post listings but aren't really hiring.

You keep insisting upon yourself. What is your point? What is your deal? School districts aren't "lots of companies." Job postings aren't there for kicks. They are specific and only posted if it's a need. Principals don't have time to post jobs for fun.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread looks more like MCPS PR priming the parents in this area for a soft landing when they learn about MCPS failure to meet the needs of all students. Just an observation

It looks more like people telling other people what to realistically expect in the fall and other people resisting it and laughing it off.

Every year there is some turnover. Since enrollment has been going down (covered in other threads), they have been overstaffed. This belief that there's a shortage is based on the annual turnover; however, the county doesn't appear to think it's an issue since they aren't hiring.

I'm confused as to where people think they aren't hiring. ONE person in this thread said it was difficult for their friend's daughter to get hired (spoiler: then she WAS hired)...somehow everyone took that and ran with it as they are not hiring. They ARE. Jobs are being posted and those jobs disappear-because they've been filled. New jobs go up the next day. MCPS is absolutely hiring.

Really the PP stated a well-qualified applicant was turned away because they weren't hiring. I've been following this thread despite the lack of any tangible information and didn't see where the PP said their friend's daughter got hired. Which page is that on?

Anecdote v. hundreds of job listings. OK.

Lots of companies post listings but aren't really hiring.

You keep insisting upon yourself. What is your point? What is your deal? School districts aren't "lots of companies." Job postings aren't there for kicks. They are specific and only posted if it's a need. Principals don't have time to post jobs for fun.

Just because they post a listing doesn't mean they're actively hiring. Every year there's turnover. This year is no different. I'd be more worried about bus drivers and subs than teachers based on what we saw in 21-22.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread looks more like MCPS PR priming the parents in this area for a soft landing when they learn about MCPS failure to meet the needs of all students. Just an observation

It looks more like people telling other people what to realistically expect in the fall and other people resisting it and laughing it off.

Every year there is some turnover. Since enrollment has been going down (covered in other threads), they have been overstaffed. This belief that there's a shortage is based on the annual turnover; however, the county doesn't appear to think it's an issue since they aren't hiring.

I'm confused as to where people think they aren't hiring. ONE person in this thread said it was difficult for their friend's daughter to get hired (spoiler: then she WAS hired)...somehow everyone took that and ran with it as they are not hiring. They ARE. Jobs are being posted and those jobs disappear-because they've been filled. New jobs go up the next day. MCPS is absolutely hiring.

Really the PP stated a well-qualified applicant was turned away because they weren't hiring. I've been following this thread despite the lack of any tangible information and didn't see where the PP said their friend's daughter got hired. Which page is that on?

Anecdote v. hundreds of job listings. OK.

Lots of companies post listings but aren't really hiring.

You keep insisting upon yourself. What is your point? What is your deal? School districts aren't "lots of companies." Job postings aren't there for kicks. They are specific and only posted if it's a need. Principals don't have time to post jobs for fun.

Just because they post a listing doesn't mean they're actively hiring. Every year there's turnover. This year is no different. I'd be more worried about bus drivers and subs than teachers based on what we saw in 21-22.

There was another thread a few weeks ago that complained about plummeting enrollment. If that's true, then they'd be overstaffed.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread looks more like MCPS PR priming the parents in this area for a soft landing when they learn about MCPS failure to meet the needs of all students. Just an observation

It looks more like people telling other people what to realistically expect in the fall and other people resisting it and laughing it off.

Every year there is some turnover. Since enrollment has been going down (covered in other threads), they have been overstaffed. This belief that there's a shortage is based on the annual turnover; however, the county doesn't appear to think it's an issue since they aren't hiring.

I'm confused as to where people think they aren't hiring. ONE person in this thread said it was difficult for their friend's daughter to get hired (spoiler: then she WAS hired)...somehow everyone took that and ran with it as they are not hiring. They ARE. Jobs are being posted and those jobs disappear-because they've been filled. New jobs go up the next day. MCPS is absolutely hiring.

Really the PP stated a well-qualified applicant was turned away because they weren't hiring. I've been following this thread despite the lack of any tangible information and didn't see where the PP said their friend's daughter got hired. Which page is that on?

Anecdote v. hundreds of job listings. OK.

Lots of companies post listings but aren't really hiring.

You keep insisting upon yourself. What is your point? What is your deal? School districts aren't "lots of companies." Job postings aren't there for kicks. They are specific and only posted if it's a need. Principals don't have time to post jobs for fun.

Just because they post a listing doesn't mean they're actively hiring. Every year there's turnover. This year is no different. I'd be more worried about bus drivers and subs than teachers based on what we saw in 21-22.

You very clearly do not understand how job postings or hiring works in MCPS. Jobs are NOT posted unless that position needs to be filled. Jobs aren't posted unless they are actively hiring. It doesn't matter what you believe or don't-you'll see the effects in the upcoming school year. Keep putting your head in the sand if it makes you feel better though. Ignorance seems to suit you.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread looks more like MCPS PR priming the parents in this area for a soft landing when they learn about MCPS failure to meet the needs of all students. Just an observation

It looks more like people telling other people what to realistically expect in the fall and other people resisting it and laughing it off.

Every year there is some turnover. Since enrollment has been going down (covered in other threads), they have been overstaffed. This belief that there's a shortage is based on the annual turnover; however, the county doesn't appear to think it's an issue since they aren't hiring.

I'm confused as to where people think they aren't hiring. ONE person in this thread said it was difficult for their friend's daughter to get hired (spoiler: then she WAS hired)...somehow everyone took that and ran with it as they are not hiring. They ARE. Jobs are being posted and those jobs disappear-because they've been filled. New jobs go up the next day. MCPS is absolutely hiring.

Really the PP stated a well-qualified applicant was turned away because they weren't hiring. I've been following this thread despite the lack of any tangible information and didn't see where the PP said their friend's daughter got hired. Which page is that on?

Anecdote v. hundreds of job listings. OK.

Lots of companies post listings but aren't really hiring.

You keep insisting upon yourself. What is your point? What is your deal? School districts aren't "lots of companies." Job postings aren't there for kicks. They are specific and only posted if it's a need. Principals don't have time to post jobs for fun.

Just because they post a listing doesn't mean they're actively hiring. Every year there's turnover. This year is no different. I'd be more worried about bus drivers and subs than teachers based on what we saw in 21-22.

There was another thread a few weeks ago that complained about plummeting enrollment. If that's true, then they'd be overstaffed.

If they were overstaffed, there'd be zero listings right now. Teachers aren't just let go if their job doesn't exist. They are put on the involuntary transfer list and are either hired at a school or placed at one. Funny how people who don't know how MCPS works insist they know better than people who do. It's amazing really.

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The shortage has already affected summer school. ESY moved online. MCPS will pay any warm body $19/hour. The worst part is that this affects special Ed students. Why not move Gen Ed summer school online and keep special Ed in person?

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Anonymous wrote:The shortage has already affected summer school. ESY moved online. MCPS will pay any warm body $19/hour. The worst part is that this affects special Ed students. Why not move Gen Ed summer school online and keep special Ed in person?

Because the problem is lack of special ed teachers? You can't just take the gen ed teacher off their summer school assignment and switch them to special ed. They're not certified for that and most of the students who qualify for ESY have IEPs stating that classroom instruction will be from a special ed teacher. Also, if you did that to the gen ed teachers or they knew it could happen, you'd get even less gen ed teachers volunteering for summer school, so then you'd end up with BOTH programs not staffed.

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Not sure why some people think MCPS is not hiring because it is obvious they do. Quote from Dr. McKnight message:

• We have hired Mr. Brian Stockton as Chief of Staff, who will assist me with leveraging the work of the system's leadership and liaising with the Board of Education and external stakeholders.
• We have hired Ms. Elba Garcia as Senior Community Advisor, who will maintain and coordinate with partners, stakeholders and community leaders.
• We look forward to enhanced, proactive, thoughtful and effective communications with the addition of Ms. Celia Fischer as Assistant Chief of Communications.
• We will hire a Special Education Liaison, who will engage with families of students with disabilities to better understand the students’ needs and how we can be more responsive to them.
• We will have a new Deputy Superintendent, Chief Academic Officer and Chief Operations Officer, all of whom will maximize support to schools and the engagement of students, staff and all of our partnerships.

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Great! More admin! Just what every one wanted! That will solve the problem. More delegating! /s

[Anonymous]

+1 The Central Office needs to be totally flushed... er, I mean fired.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread looks more like MCPS PR priming the parents in this area for a soft landing when they learn about MCPS failure to meet the needs of all students. Just an observation

It looks more like people telling other people what to realistically expect in the fall and other people resisting it and laughing it off.

Every year there is some turnover. Since enrollment has been going down (covered in other threads), they have been overstaffed. This belief that there's a shortage is based on the annual turnover; however, the county doesn't appear to think it's an issue since they aren't hiring.

I'm confused as to where people think they aren't hiring. ONE person in this thread said it was difficult for their friend's daughter to get hired (spoiler: then she WAS hired)...somehow everyone took that and ran with it as they are not hiring. They ARE. Jobs are being posted and those jobs disappear-because they've been filled. New jobs go up the next day. MCPS is absolutely hiring.

Really the PP stated a well-qualified applicant was turned away because they weren't hiring. I've been following this thread despite the lack of any tangible information and didn't see where the PP said their friend's daughter got hired. Which page is that on?

DP. It's on page 3, 06/21/2022 09:42

The funniest part is, it was all in ONE post. People are sure quick to jump to outrage when they apparently can't even read.

Maybe if they had enough teachers people would be better at reading!

It's funny how so many posters to brag about their high intelligence and overachieving children and yet are blithering idiots when it comes to reading comprehension. Flashback to last year when all these parents did not read a very simple to question survey about the logistics of hybrid.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread looks more like MCPS PR priming the parents in this area for a soft landing when they learn about MCPS failure to meet the needs of all students. Just an observation

It looks more like people telling other people what to realistically expect in the fall and other people resisting it and laughing it off.

Every year there is some turnover. Since enrollment has been going down (covered in other threads), they have been overstaffed. This belief that there's a shortage is based on the annual turnover; however, the county doesn't appear to think it's an issue since they aren't hiring.

I'm confused as to where people think they aren't hiring. ONE person in this thread said it was difficult for their friend's daughter to get hired (spoiler: then she WAS hired)...somehow everyone took that and ran with it as they are not hiring. They ARE. Jobs are being posted and those jobs disappear-because they've been filled. New jobs go up the next day. MCPS is absolutely hiring.

Really the PP stated a well-qualified applicant was turned away because they weren't hiring. I've been following this thread despite the lack of any tangible information and didn't see where the PP said their friend's daughter got hired. Which page is that on?

Anecdote v. hundreds of job listings. OK.

Lots of companies post listings but aren't really hiring.

You keep insisting upon yourself. What is your point? What is your deal? School districts aren't "lots of companies." Job postings aren't there for kicks. They are specific and only posted if it's a need. Principals don't have time to post jobs for fun.

Just because they post a listing doesn't mean they're actively hiring. Every year there's turnover. This year is no different. I'd be more worried about bus drivers and subs than teachers based on what we saw in 21-22.

There was another thread a few weeks ago that complained about plummeting enrollment. If that's true, then they'd be overstaffed.

I said this before but I guess you couldn't get through your thick skull. If a school is population declines then the teachers who are not needed get transferred involuntarily to another school.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why some people think MCPS is not hiring because it is obvious they do. Quote from Dr. McKnight message:

• We have hired Mr. Brian Stockton as Chief of Staff, who will assist me with leveraging the work of the system's leadership and liaising with the Board of Education and external stakeholders.
• We have hired Ms. Elba Garcia as Senior Community Advisor, who will maintain and coordinate with partners, stakeholders and community leaders.
• We look forward to enhanced, proactive, thoughtful and effective communications with the addition of Ms. Celia Fischer as Assistant Chief of Communications.
• We will hire a Special Education Liaison, who will engage with families of students with disabilities to better understand the students’ needs and how we can be more responsive to them.
• We will have a new Deputy Superintendent, Chief Academic Officer and Chief Operations Officer, all of whom will maximize support to schools and the engagement of students, staff and all of our partnerships.

That doesn't fill the openings for special education and other classroom teachers