MCPS faces Teacher shortage next year

[Anonymous]

My wife is leaving mostly because of the parents.

[Anonymous]

MCEA is committed to the salary steps which keep experienced teachers from earning decent pay when transferring to MCPS. MCEA is a big part of the problem. They also keep sub pay low. I would not recommend voting for any MCEA endorsed BOE candidates (Yang, Coll, Rivera-Oven).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My wife is leaving mostly because of the parents.

So is my wife.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCEA is committed to the salary steps which keep experienced teachers from earning decent pay when transferring to MCPS. MCEA is a big part of the problem. They also keep sub pay low. I would not recommend voting for any MCEA endorsed BOE candidates (Yang, Coll, Rivera-Oven).

If you had witnessed any part of the public contract negotiations that took place before the pandemic, you would know that is completely untrue. MCEA submitted proposals based on a perceived professional salary of $100k and how long one would expect to get to that level. They also requested dramatic increases in substitute teacher pay. MCPS responded with some gobbledegook of a salary scale which actually included pay decreases for more experienced staff. When called on it, they withdrew the counter offer and did not submit a new one. Increasing teacher pay and planning time have been priorities in MCEA bargaining. Which you would know, again, if you had witnessed any part of the negotiations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCEA is committed to the salary steps which keep experienced teachers from earning decent pay when transferring to MCPS. MCEA is a big part of the problem. They also keep sub pay low. I would not recommend voting for any MCEA endorsed BOE candidates (Yang, Coll, Rivera-Oven).

If you had witnessed any part of the public contract negotiations that took place before the pandemic, you would know that is completely untrue. MCEA submitted proposals based on a perceived professional salary of $100k and how long one would expect to get to that level. They also requested dramatic increases in substitute teacher pay. MCPS responded with some gobbledegook of a salary scale which actually included pay decreases for more experienced staff. When called on it, they withdrew the counter offer and did not submit a new one. Increasing teacher pay and planning time have been priorities in MCEA bargaining. Which you would know, again, if you had witnessed any part of the negotiations.

I’m not the PP. I read that as MCEA discourages experienced teachers from transferring in. I don’t think she was referring to existing MCPS teachers.

I posted above about being offered a position. I was offered a job that would pay me 25K less than the published step I should be on if they respected my experience. Instead, I went to a neighboring county that offered me $19K more than MCPS offered. Truthfully, I felt rather disrespected by MCPS. The offer was rather insulting considering my experience and qualifications. (I also received a private school offer that was more than MCPS’s offer.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCEA is committed to the salary steps which keep experienced teachers from earning decent pay when transferring to MCPS. MCEA is a big part of the problem. They also keep sub pay low. I would not recommend voting for any MCEA endorsed BOE candidates (Yang, Coll, Rivera-Oven).

This is incorrect. MCEA has tried for years to get MCPS to stop capping the entry salary of experienced teachers from other districts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCEA is committed to the salary steps which keep experienced teachers from earning decent pay when transferring to MCPS. MCEA is a big part of the problem. They also keep sub pay low. I would not recommend voting for any MCEA endorsed BOE candidates (Yang, Coll, Rivera-Oven).

If you had witnessed any part of the public contract negotiations that took place before the pandemic, you would know that is completely untrue. MCEA submitted proposals based on a perceived professional salary of $100k and how long one would expect to get to that level. They also requested dramatic increases in substitute teacher pay. MCPS responded with some gobbledegook of a salary scale which actually included pay decreases for more experienced staff. When called on it, they withdrew the counter offer and did not submit a new one. Increasing teacher pay and planning time have been priorities in MCEA bargaining. Which you would know, again, if you had witnessed any part of the negotiations.

I’m not the PP. I read that as MCEA discourages experienced teachers from transferring in. I don’t think she was referring to existing MCPS teachers.

I posted above about being offered a position. I was offered a job that would pay me 25K less than the published step I should be on if they respected my experience. Instead, I went to a neighboring county that offered me $19K more than MCPS offered. Truthfully, I felt rather disrespected by MCPS. The offer was rather insulting considering my experience and qualifications. (I also received a private school offer that was more than MCPS’s offer.)

Name the school district. I don’t believe you. I have 20 years experience at even though I would enter at a higher step in PG, Howard and Fairfax County, it wasn’t step 20 and the pay wasn’t that much (if at all) higher than MCPS. Also, I spent 9 years working in a MoCo private school with $40k annual tuition and I was paid exactly what MCPS would have paid me at the REDUCED entry of step 8. When I first moved to Maryland in 2012, MCPS allowed external candidates with a Master’s to enter at step 12. Then it was reduced to step 10 and now it’s step 8.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My wife is leaving mostly because of the parents.

So is my wife.

What did parents do or say that was different this year? If parents were inappropriate, why didn't the administration back your wives up?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCEA is committed to the salary steps which keep experienced teachers from earning decent pay when transferring to MCPS. MCEA is a big part of the problem. They also keep sub pay low. I would not recommend voting for any MCEA endorsed BOE candidates (Yang, Coll, Rivera-Oven).

If you had witnessed any part of the public contract negotiations that took place before the pandemic, you would know that is completely untrue. MCEA submitted proposals based on a perceived professional salary of $100k and how long one would expect to get to that level. They also requested dramatic increases in substitute teacher pay. MCPS responded with some gobbledegook of a salary scale which actually included pay decreases for more experienced staff. When called on it, they withdrew the counter offer and did not submit a new one. Increasing teacher pay and planning time have been priorities in MCEA bargaining. Which you would know, again, if you had witnessed any part of the negotiations.

I’m not the PP. I read that as MCEA discourages experienced teachers from transferring in. I don’t think she was referring to existing MCPS teachers.

I posted above about being offered a position. I was offered a job that would pay me 25K less than the published step I should be on if they respected my experience. Instead, I went to a neighboring county that offered me $19K more than MCPS offered. Truthfully, I felt rather disrespected by MCPS. The offer was rather insulting considering my experience and qualifications. (I also received a private school offer that was more than MCPS’s offer.)

Not the PP this is directed toward, but MCPS slowly has eroded its edge over even private schools in the remuneration department. Its salaries haven't risen at the same rate as elsewhere and meanwhile insurance costs have gone up. I also left for private and earlier in my career that would have been unthinkable financially, but I got a significant boost in salary when I moved fairly recently.


Name the school district. I don’t believe you. I have 20 years experience at even though I would enter at a higher step in PG, Howard and Fairfax County, it wasn’t step 20 and the pay wasn’t that much (if at all) higher than MCPS. Also, I spent 9 years working in a MoCo private school with $40k annual tuition and I was paid exactly what MCPS would have paid me at the REDUCED entry of step 8. When I first moved to Maryland in 2012, MCPS allowed external candidates with a Master’s to enter at step 12. Then it was reduced to step 10 and now it’s step 8.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCEA is committed to the salary steps which keep experienced teachers from earning decent pay when transferring to MCPS. MCEA is a big part of the problem. They also keep sub pay low. I would not recommend voting for any MCEA endorsed BOE candidates (Yang, Coll, Rivera-Oven).

If you had witnessed any part of the public contract negotiations that took place before the pandemic, you would know that is completely untrue. MCEA submitted proposals based on a perceived professional salary of $100k and how long one would expect to get to that level. They also requested dramatic increases in substitute teacher pay. MCPS responded with some gobbledegook of a salary scale which actually included pay decreases for more experienced staff. When called on it, they withdrew the counter offer and did not submit a new one. Increasing teacher pay and planning time have been priorities in MCEA bargaining. Which you would know, again, if you had witnessed any part of the negotiations.

I’m not the PP. I read that as MCEA discourages experienced teachers from transferring in. I don’t think she was referring to existing MCPS teachers.

I posted above about being offered a position. I was offered a job that would pay me 25K less than the published step I should be on if they respected my experience. Instead, I went to a neighboring county that offered me $19K more than MCPS offered. Truthfully, I felt rather disrespected by MCPS. The offer was rather insulting considering my experience and qualifications. (I also received a private school offer that was more than MCPS’s offer.)

Not the PP this is directed toward, but MCPS slowly has eroded its edge over even private schools in the remuneration department. Its salaries haven't risen at the same rate as elsewhere and meanwhile insurance costs have gone up. I also left for private and earlier in my career that would have been unthinkable financially, but I got a significant boost in salary when I moved fairly recently.


Name the school district. I don’t believe you. I have 20 years experience at even though I would enter at a higher step in PG, Howard and Fairfax County, it wasn’t step 20 and the pay wasn’t that much (if at all) higher than MCPS. Also, I spent 9 years working in a MoCo private school with $40k annual tuition and I was paid exactly what MCPS would have paid me at the REDUCED entry of step 8. When I first moved to Maryland in 2012, MCPS allowed external candidates with a Master’s to enter at step 12. Then it was reduced to step 10 and now it’s step 8.

Not the PP this is directed toward, but MCPS slowly has eroded its edge over even private schools in the remuneration department. Its salaries haven't risen at the same rate as elsewhere and meanwhile insurance costs have gone up. I also left for private and earlier in my career that would have been unthinkable financially, but I got a significant boost in salary when I moved fairly recently.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My wife is leaving mostly because of the parents.

So is my wife.

Does your wife (and the PPs) teach at a W school or a lower-income school? And which grade levels?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCEA is committed to the salary steps which keep experienced teachers from earning decent pay when transferring to MCPS. MCEA is a big part of the problem. They also keep sub pay low. I would not recommend voting for any MCEA endorsed BOE candidates (Yang, Coll, Rivera-Oven).

If you had witnessed any part of the public contract negotiations that took place before the pandemic, you would know that is completely untrue. MCEA submitted proposals based on a perceived professional salary of $100k and how long one would expect to get to that level. They also requested dramatic increases in substitute teacher pay. MCPS responded with some gobbledegook of a salary scale which actually included pay decreases for more experienced staff. When called on it, they withdrew the counter offer and did not submit a new one. Increasing teacher pay and planning time have been priorities in MCEA bargaining. Which you would know, again, if you had witnessed any part of the negotiations.

I’m not the PP. I read that as MCEA discourages experienced teachers from transferring in. I don’t think she was referring to existing MCPS teachers.

I posted above about being offered a position. I was offered a job that would pay me 25K less than the published step I should be on if they respected my experience. Instead, I went to a neighboring county that offered me $19K more than MCPS offered. Truthfully, I felt rather disrespected by MCPS. The offer was rather insulting considering my experience and qualifications. (I also received a private school offer that was more than MCPS’s offer.)

Name the school district. I don’t believe you. I have 20 years experience at even though I would enter at a higher step in PG, Howard and Fairfax County, it wasn’t step 20 and the pay wasn’t that much (if at all) higher than MCPS. Also, I spent 9 years working in a MoCo private school with $40k annual tuition and I was paid exactly what MCPS would have paid me at the REDUCED entry of step 8. When I first moved to Maryland in 2012, MCPS allowed external candidates with a Master’s to enter at step 12. Then it was reduced to step 10 and now it’s step 8.

MCPS step 18 Masters - 102K
MCPS step 8 Masters (top salary for transfer) - 73K
PGCPS step 18 Masters - 88K
HCPSS step 18 Masters - 91K
Fairfax County step 13 Masters - 85K - cap for transfers is 13 and still higher than MCPS


What’s there not to believe? So the numbers may have been a bit off because I’m using current salary scales, but the point remains. MCPS is not attractive to experienced teachers.

As for your private experience, private schools vary WIDELY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My friend left our district and went to another district. She hasn't even started there yet (she will start in August) but she got a signing bonus. Our district didn't give us any bonuses and she gets a bonus before she even works there. That tells you something. All districts should be required to do exit interviews AND publish that data.

In the business world, exit interviews are considered a best HR practice. We you see similar complaints or reasons, they show administrators of areas that need improvement to stop the losses. Loosing experienced employees that an organization invests with training is a true loss because it’s difficult to replace that caliber of candidate because you will have to start fresh with the training.

I am surprised that MCPS doesn’t do exit interviews and teacher satisfaction surveys to have data for areas needing improvement. Typically that’s a sign from administrators who are uncomfortable at what the people underneath them would say. Without fixing problems, the problems will fester, teachers will remain unhappy, and teachers will leave at a higher rate than they can be replaced.

[Anonymous]

Using my 20 years experience with a Masters as an example, MCPS has the biggest difference in salary for a new hire compared to current employees. This reduces diversity of thought and makes it easier to brainwash and control current teachers.

Montgomery County $72,533 ($105,244 for current employees)

PG county $67,146 ($93,780 for current employees)

“It should be noted that the starting salary for all conditional candidates, regardless of educational attainment, will be placed on Table A Grade 2 on the PGCEA Salary Scale.“

https://www.pgcps.org/offices/humanresources/careers/salary-scales-for-educators

Howard county $90,882 ($95,149 for current employees)
*Do they have a county pension plan in addition to the state pension? Is this why their pay is higher?

“All new teachers will be placed on the proper step of the salary schedule according to their certification, experience, and education, but not to exceed Step 18 of the appropriate lane. No presently employed teacher will receive less than the salary indicated on the salary schedule for their credited certification, experience, and education.”

https://www.hcpss.org/f/employment/2022-hcea-agreement.pdf

Fairfax County $84,763 (versus $98,310 for current employees)

New hires maximum entry step is 13
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY22-teacher-194-day.pdf

Frederick County $79,779 (same as current employees and top of their pay scale)

https://campussuite-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/prod/33903/86de7fb0-3a18-11e6-b537-22000bd8490f/2360095/32892e62-6e52-11ec-b28e-0e33f0dd50ef/file/Salary_Teacher_10mo_2022.pdf





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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCEA is committed to the salary steps which keep experienced teachers from earning decent pay when transferring to MCPS. MCEA is a big part of the problem. They also keep sub pay low. I would not recommend voting for any MCEA endorsed BOE candidates (Yang, Coll, Rivera-Oven).

If you had witnessed any part of the public contract negotiations that took place before the pandemic, you would know that is completely untrue. MCEA submitted proposals based on a perceived professional salary of $100k and how long one would expect to get to that level. They also requested dramatic increases in substitute teacher pay. MCPS responded with some gobbledegook of a salary scale which actually included pay decreases for more experienced staff. When called on it, they withdrew the counter offer and did not submit a new one. Increasing teacher pay and planning time have been priorities in MCEA bargaining. Which you would know, again, if you had witnessed any part of the negotiations.

I’m not the PP. I read that as MCEA discourages experienced teachers from transferring in. I don’t think she was referring to existing MCPS teachers.

I posted above about being offered a position. I was offered a job that would pay me 25K less than the published step I should be on if they respected my experience. Instead, I went to a neighboring county that offered me $19K more than MCPS offered. Truthfully, I felt rather disrespected by MCPS. The offer was rather insulting considering my experience and qualifications. (I also received a private school offer that was more than MCPS’s offer.)

Name the school district. I don’t believe you. I have 20 years experience at even though I would enter at a higher step in PG, Howard and Fairfax County, it wasn’t step 20 and the pay wasn’t that much (if at all) higher than MCPS. Also, I spent 9 years working in a MoCo private school with $40k annual tuition and I was paid exactly what MCPS would have paid me at the REDUCED entry of step 8. When I first moved to Maryland in 2012, MCPS allowed external candidates with a Master’s to enter at step 12. Then it was reduced to step 10 and now it’s step 8.

MCPS step 18 Masters - 102K
MCPS step 8 Masters (top salary for transfer) - 73K
PGCPS step 18 Masters - 88K
HCPSS step 18 Masters - 91K
Fairfax County step 13 Masters - 85K - cap for transfers is 13 and still higher than MCPS


What’s there not to believe? So the numbers may have been a bit off because I’m using current salary scales, but the point remains. MCPS is not attractive to experienced teachers.

As for your private experience, private schools vary WIDELY.

Privates also offer incentives like children of staff can attend the school for free. For prestigious privates that cost $50K a year, that’s a tax free bonus of $150K per year for 3 kids. A big help for educators that think the MCPS curriculum has been watered down or don’t think the schools in the neighborhoods they can afford are safe.