Missionaries should be banned

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I see mission work as having accomplished a lot good.
Missionaries have translated the bible to indigenous languages, therefore being the first to provide them with a written language.
The new faith doesn't require sacrifices of food to a god, burning of widows, sets people free from a fear of the witches and superstitions.
Has no concept of caste, the idea that your misfortune is earned because you lived a bad life previously.

There is a lot in the traditional beliefs that people need to let go off so that they can adjust to the current century and catch up with the modern world.

So making them believe that they and all humans are depraved and sinful and that a human godman had to be tortured and sacrificed because they are so corrupted is better?

That if they don't believe in this story then they will forever burn in a fire of hell with a red man that has a pointy tail. And that if their whole family doesn't get on their knees and praise Jesus, then they will have to forever know that they are burning in hell while only the saved sit up in the clouds with all they other now dead people that believed in this story. And that there is a man in the clouds behind all this that needs praise and devotion and requires that you get as many people as possible to believe the same thing from continent to continent or else you're better off with the devil.

I agree with your last sentence though. The sooner missionaries catch up with the current century, the better.

Sounds like most of your experiences are with crazed fundies. Most of my circle is Catholic and Eastern Orthodox and they and their missionaries aren't like that at all. The total depravity of man (and the idea that only Christians can go to heaven) is a Protestant concept.

[Anonymous]

I completely agree with you OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I see mission work as having accomplished a lot good.
Missionaries have translated the bible to indigenous languages, therefore being the first to provide them with a written language.
The new faith doesn't require sacrifices of food to a god, burning of widows, sets people free from a fear of the witches and superstitions.
Has no concept of caste, the idea that your misfortune is earned because you lived a bad life previously.

There is a lot in the traditional beliefs that people need to let go off so that they can adjust to the current century and catch up with the modern world.

So making them believe that they and all humans are depraved and sinful and that a human godman had to be tortured and sacrificed because they are so corrupted is better?

That if they don't believe in this story then they will forever burn in a fire of hell with a red man that has a pointy tail. And that if their whole family doesn't get on their knees and praise Jesus, then they will have to forever know that they are burning in hell while only the saved sit up in the clouds with all they other now dead people that believed in this story. And that there is a man in the clouds behind all this that needs praise and devotion and requires that you get as many people as possible to believe the same thing from continent to continent or else you're better off with the devil.

I agree with your last sentence though. The sooner missionaries catch up with the current century, the better.

How many times have you been told on this thread that missionaries don’t threaten people with hell anymore. Most Christians don’t even believe that. It’s almost like you read what you want and ignore anything that doesn’t comport with your bigotry.

MANY Christians here in the US do believe that and do force that on others. Right here.

How are they "forcing" anything on anyone? If you don't believe in hell, it's not a threat. You have to be convinced of the truth of Christianity before the threat of hell means a thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I see mission work as having accomplished a lot good.
Missionaries have translated the bible to indigenous languages, therefore being the first to provide them with a written language.
The new faith doesn't require sacrifices of food to a god, burning of widows, sets people free from a fear of the witches and superstitions.
Has no concept of caste, the idea that your misfortune is earned because you lived a bad life previously.

There is a lot in the traditional beliefs that people need to let go off so that they can adjust to the current century and catch up with the modern world.

So making them believe that they and all humans are depraved and sinful and that a human godman had to be tortured and sacrificed because they are so corrupted is better?

That if they don't believe in this story then they will forever burn in a fire of hell with a red man that has a pointy tail. And that if their whole family doesn't get on their knees and praise Jesus, then they will have to forever know that they are burning in hell while only the saved sit up in the clouds with all they other now dead people that believed in this story. And that there is a man in the clouds behind all this that needs praise and devotion and requires that you get as many people as possible to believe the same thing from continent to continent or else you're better off with the devil.

I agree with your last sentence though. The sooner missionaries catch up with the current century, the better.

+1. It’s amazing how blind missionaries are to their narcissism and self righteousness. I mean, that whole post is condemning native customs and beliefs as less than. If only they had white supremacy to help them!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I see mission work as having accomplished a lot good.
Missionaries have translated the bible to indigenous languages, therefore being the first to provide them with a written language.
The new faith doesn't require sacrifices of food to a god, burning of widows, sets people free from a fear of the witches and superstitions.
Has no concept of caste, the idea that your misfortune is earned because you lived a bad life previously.

There is a lot in the traditional beliefs that people need to let go off so that they can adjust to the current century and catch up with the modern world.

So making them believe that they and all humans are depraved and sinful and that a human godman had to be tortured and sacrificed because they are so corrupted is better?

That if they don't believe in this story then they will forever burn in a fire of hell with a red man that has a pointy tail. And that if their whole family doesn't get on their knees and praise Jesus, then they will have to forever know that they are burning in hell while only the saved sit up in the clouds with all they other now dead people that believed in this story. And that there is a man in the clouds behind all this that needs praise and devotion and requires that you get as many people as possible to believe the same thing from continent to continent or else you're better off with the devil.

I agree with your last sentence though. The sooner missionaries catch up with the current century, the better.

+1. It’s amazing how blind missionaries are to their narcissism and self righteousness. I mean, that whole post is condemning native customs and beliefs as less than. If only they had white supremacy to help them!!

+1 nothing to see in the mirror, obviously!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I see mission work as having accomplished a lot good.
Missionaries have translated the bible to indigenous languages, therefore being the first to provide them with a written language.
The new faith doesn't require sacrifices of food to a god, burning of widows, sets people free from a fear of the witches and superstitions.
Has no concept of caste, the idea that your misfortune is earned because you lived a bad life previously.

There is a lot in the traditional beliefs that people need to let go off so that they can adjust to the current century and catch up with the modern world.

So making them believe that they and all humans are depraved and sinful and that a human godman had to be tortured and sacrificed because they are so corrupted is better?

That if they don't believe in this story then they will forever burn in a fire of hell with a red man that has a pointy tail. And that if their whole family doesn't get on their knees and praise Jesus, then they will have to forever know that they are burning in hell while only the saved sit up in the clouds with all they other now dead people that believed in this story. And that there is a man in the clouds behind all this that needs praise and devotion and requires that you get as many people as possible to believe the same thing from continent to continent or else you're better off with the devil.

I agree with your last sentence though. The sooner missionaries catch up with the current century, the better.

Sounds like most of your experiences are with crazed fundies. Most of my circle is Catholic and Eastern Orthodox and they and their missionaries aren't like that at all. The total depravity of man (and the idea that only Christians can go to heaven) is a Protestant concept.

I learned in catechism that only Catholics could get into heaven -- if they were not in mortal sin when they died, and had extreme unction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I see mission work as having accomplished a lot good.
Missionaries have translated the bible to indigenous languages, therefore being the first to provide them with a written language.
The new faith doesn't require sacrifices of food to a god, burning of widows, sets people free from a fear of the witches and superstitions.
Has no concept of caste, the idea that your misfortune is earned because you lived a bad life previously.

There is a lot in the traditional beliefs that people need to let go off so that they can adjust to the current century and catch up with the modern world.

So making them believe that they and all humans are depraved and sinful and that a human godman had to be tortured and sacrificed because they are so corrupted is better?

That if they don't believe in this story then they will forever burn in a fire of hell with a red man that has a pointy tail. And that if their whole family doesn't get on their knees and praise Jesus, then they will have to forever know that they are burning in hell while only the saved sit up in the clouds with all they other now dead people that believed in this story. And that there is a man in the clouds behind all this that needs praise and devotion and requires that you get as many people as possible to believe the same thing from continent to continent or else you're better off with the devil.

I agree with your last sentence though. The sooner missionaries catch up with the current century, the better.

Sounds like most of your experiences are with crazed fundies. Most of my circle is Catholic and Eastern Orthodox and they and their missionaries aren't like that at all. The total depravity of man (and the idea that only Christians can go to heaven) is a Protestant concept.

I learned in catechism that only Catholics could get into heaven -- if they were not in mortal sin when they died, and had extreme unction.

That is not the belief of the Catholic church:

Second Vatican Council: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation” (LG 16)."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have never met a Muslim proselytizer. Have you?

Pretty much every practicing Muslim person you have ever met is proselytizing to you. We believe that our existence in the world bears witness to the God of Abraham, our every action and breath is supposed to be lived in the practice of the Holy prophet and so is supposed to be positive reflection on our teachings thus all of our interactions are a form of proselytizing. Also there have been Muslim missionaries here since 1919 and they came here in order to preach. Look up Mufti Muhammad Sadiq

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I see mission work as having accomplished a lot good.
Missionaries have translated the bible to indigenous languages, therefore being the first to provide them with a written language.
The new faith doesn't require sacrifices of food to a god, burning of widows, sets people free from a fear of the witches and superstitions.
Has no concept of caste, the idea that your misfortune is earned because you lived a bad life previously.

There is a lot in the traditional beliefs that people need to let go off so that they can adjust to the current century and catch up with the modern world.

So making them believe that they and all humans are depraved and sinful and that a human godman had to be tortured and sacrificed because they are so corrupted is better?

That if they don't believe in this story then they will forever burn in a fire of hell with a red man that has a pointy tail. And that if their whole family doesn't get on their knees and praise Jesus, then they will have to forever know that they are burning in hell while only the saved sit up in the clouds with all they other now dead people that believed in this story. And that there is a man in the clouds behind all this that needs praise and devotion and requires that you get as many people as possible to believe the same thing from continent to continent or else you're better off with the devil.

I agree with your last sentence though. The sooner missionaries catch up with the current century, the better.

Sounds like most of your experiences are with crazed fundies. Most of my circle is Catholic and Eastern Orthodox and they and their missionaries aren't like that at all. The total depravity of man (and the idea that only Christians can go to heaven) is a Protestant concept.

I learned in catechism that only Catholics could get into heaven -- if they were not in mortal sin when they died, and had extreme unction.

That is not the belief of the Catholic church:

Second Vatican Council: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation” (LG 16)."

Nevertheless the PP who said Protestants believe that only Christians go to heaven as “a Protestant concept” is dead wrong and to this day most Catholics think only they get to go and only if in a state of Grace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I see mission work as having accomplished a lot good.
Missionaries have translated the bible to indigenous languages, therefore being the first to provide them with a written language.
The new faith doesn't require sacrifices of food to a god, burning of widows, sets people free from a fear of the witches and superstitions.
Has no concept of caste, the idea that your misfortune is earned because you lived a bad life previously.

There is a lot in the traditional beliefs that people need to let go off so that they can adjust to the current century and catch up with the modern world.

So making them believe that they and all humans are depraved and sinful and that a human godman had to be tortured and sacrificed because they are so corrupted is better?

That if they don't believe in this story then they will forever burn in a fire of hell with a red man that has a pointy tail. And that if their whole family doesn't get on their knees and praise Jesus, then they will have to forever know that they are burning in hell while only the saved sit up in the clouds with all they other now dead people that believed in this story. And that there is a man in the clouds behind all this that needs praise and devotion and requires that you get as many people as possible to believe the same thing from continent to continent or else you're better off with the devil.

I agree with your last sentence though. The sooner missionaries catch up with the current century, the better.

Sounds like most of your experiences are with crazed fundies. Most of my circle is Catholic and Eastern Orthodox and they and their missionaries aren't like that at all. The total depravity of man (and the idea that only Christians can go to heaven) is a Protestant concept.

I learned in catechism that only Catholics could get into heaven -- if they were not in mortal sin when they died, and had extreme unction.

That is not the belief of the Catholic church:

Second Vatican Council: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation” (LG 16)."

Nevertheless the PP who said Protestants believe that only Christians go to heaven as “a Protestant concept” is dead wrong and to this day most Catholics think only they get to go and only if in a state of Grace.

Catholic here with kids in diocesan schools and I don’t know any fellow Catholics who believe that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I see mission work as having accomplished a lot good.
Missionaries have translated the bible to indigenous languages, therefore being the first to provide them with a written language.
The new faith doesn't require sacrifices of food to a god, burning of widows, sets people free from a fear of the witches and superstitions.
Has no concept of caste, the idea that your misfortune is earned because you lived a bad life previously.

There is a lot in the traditional beliefs that people need to let go off so that they can adjust to the current century and catch up with the modern world.

So making them believe that they and all humans are depraved and sinful and that a human godman had to be tortured and sacrificed because they are so corrupted is better?

That if they don't believe in this story then they will forever burn in a fire of hell with a red man that has a pointy tail. And that if their whole family doesn't get on their knees and praise Jesus, then they will have to forever know that they are burning in hell while only the saved sit up in the clouds with all they other now dead people that believed in this story. And that there is a man in the clouds behind all this that needs praise and devotion and requires that you get as many people as possible to believe the same thing from continent to continent or else you're better off with the devil.

I agree with your last sentence though. The sooner missionaries catch up with the current century, the better.

Sounds like most of your experiences are with crazed fundies. Most of my circle is Catholic and Eastern Orthodox and they and their missionaries aren't like that at all. The total depravity of man (and the idea that only Christians can go to heaven) is a Protestant concept.

I learned in catechism that only Catholics could get into heaven -- if they were not in mortal sin when they died, and had extreme unction.

That is not the belief of the Catholic church:

Second Vatican Council: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation” (LG 16)."

Nevertheless the PP who said Protestants believe that only Christians go to heaven as “a Protestant concept” is dead wrong and to this day most Catholics think only they get to go and only if in a state of Grace.

Catholic here with kids in diocesan schools and I don’t know any fellow Catholics who believe that.

Protestant here and most of us don’t believe that only Protestants go to heaven.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I see mission work as having accomplished a lot good.
Missionaries have translated the bible to indigenous languages, therefore being the first to provide them with a written language.
The new faith doesn't require sacrifices of food to a god, burning of widows, sets people free from a fear of the witches and superstitions.
Has no concept of caste, the idea that your misfortune is earned because you lived a bad life previously.

There is a lot in the traditional beliefs that people need to let go off so that they can adjust to the current century and catch up with the modern world.

So making them believe that they and all humans are depraved and sinful and that a human godman had to be tortured and sacrificed because they are so corrupted is better?

That if they don't believe in this story then they will forever burn in a fire of hell with a red man that has a pointy tail. And that if their whole family doesn't get on their knees and praise Jesus, then they will have to forever know that they are burning in hell while only the saved sit up in the clouds with all they other now dead people that believed in this story. And that there is a man in the clouds behind all this that needs praise and devotion and requires that you get as many people as possible to believe the same thing from continent to continent or else you're better off with the devil.

I agree with your last sentence though. The sooner missionaries catch up with the current century, the better.

Sounds like most of your experiences are with crazed fundies. Most of my circle is Catholic and Eastern Orthodox and they and their missionaries aren't like that at all. The total depravity of man (and the idea that only Christians can go to heaven) is a Protestant concept.

I learned in catechism that only Catholics could get into heaven -- if they were not in mortal sin when they died, and had extreme unction.

That is not the belief of the Catholic church:

Second Vatican Council: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation” (LG 16)."

Perhaps this change was not known, or taught in all Catholic parishes.

[Anonymous]

Not reading this whole thing. But, yes, missionary work is just wrong. Hugely wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not reading this whole thing. But, yes, missionary work is just wrong. Hugely wrong.

why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not reading this whole thing. But, yes, missionary work is just wrong. Hugely wrong.

why?

Sometimes they run schools, build wells
I see them doing a lot of good