How did Herndon/Westfield HS go from top to bottom?

[Anonymous]

Where does the name “oak hill” originate?

When they built the Oak Hill Post Office, there was a vote of residents. There is a very old house on West Ox Rd called Oak Hill. Oak Hill Elementary was named long before the post office was built--and its neighborhood is very close to the post office. As I recall, there were several options: Floris, Frying Pan?, and I can't remember what others. It's been a long time. Franklin Farm is a part of it, too. That may also have been an option.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Herndon HS? Really? I've been living in Fairfax County for the past 30 years and Herndon HS was never at the top. It was always TJ and then Langley, McLean. And then followed by wanna be Oakton or Madison. Woodson was always the little bastard child.

You may want to factor Chantilly into your rankings. It’s overtaking Oakton and Woodson in things like SATs and now has fewer base school kids going to TJ, which keeps the talent in house.

great... Chantilly cheerleader again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s a neighborhood with defined boundaries in Herndon.

No need to shade them for knowing they live in a neighborhood.

LOL? A neighborhood in Herndon? No. It is not "in" Herndon. It is an area that stretches from the edge of Herndon to the edges of Chantilly to Fairfax to Oakton and Vienna. Look at a map.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a neighborhood with defined boundaries in Herndon.

No need to shade them for knowing they live in a neighborhood.

LOL? A neighborhood in Herndon? No. It is not "in" Herndon. It is an area that stretches from the edge of Herndon to the edges of Chantilly to Fairfax to Oakton and Vienna. Look at a map.

Ok so they don’t live in HERNDON and pp who tried to bring them down a peg by insisting they are was trolling

[Anonymous]

I live in 20171 zip code. Herndon and Oak Hill are both recognizable city names for the mailing address purpose for 20171.

Some residents in 20171 do try to avoid Herndon name and maybe they do that becuase they believe Herndon is not very desirable area.

At the same time, I also have to say that 20171 area is quite different from Herndon downtown. Herndon proper vs Oak Hill (20171 Herndon) is kinda similar to Vienna vs Oakton in my opinion.

Historically, Oak Hill area was originally called Fring Pan farm and then Floris. I beleive Floris used to have its own post office established in 19th century. Sometime in mid 20th century, Floris PO was merged into Herndon and from that time this area has been called Herndon at least for the the postal city name. So I think there is some historical basis to distinguish Oak Hill from Herndon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in 20171 zip code. Herndon and Oak Hill are both recognizable city names for the mailing address purpose for 20171.

Some residents in 20171 do try to avoid Herndon name and maybe they do that becuase they believe Herndon is not very desirable area.

At the same time, I also have to say that 20171 area is quite different from Herndon downtown. Herndon proper vs Oak Hill (20171 Herndon) is kinda similar to Vienna vs Oakton in my opinion.

Historically, Oak Hill area was originally called Fring Pan farm and then Floris. I beleive Floris used to have its own post office established in 19th century. Sometime in mid 20th century, Floris PO was merged into Herndon and from that time this area has been called Herndon at least for the the postal city name. So I think there is some historical basis to distinguish Oak Hill from Herndon.

Thanks, I always like little tidbits of local history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in 20171 zip code. Herndon and Oak Hill are both recognizable city names for the mailing address purpose for 20171.

Some residents in 20171 do try to avoid Herndon name and maybe they do that becuase they believe Herndon is not very desirable area.

At the same time, I also have to say that 20171 area is quite different from Herndon downtown. Herndon proper vs Oak Hill (20171 Herndon) is kinda similar to Vienna vs Oakton in my opinion.

Historically, Oak Hill area was originally called Fring Pan farm and then Floris. I beleive Floris used to have its own post office established in 19th century. Sometime in mid 20th century, Floris PO was merged into Herndon and from that time this area has been called Herndon at least for the the postal city name. So I think there is some historical basis to distinguish Oak Hill from Herndon.

I think people tend to identify more with where they shop, etc. For me, an Oak Hill resident--it is Chantilly and Fairfax. (some may be surprised to know that Greenbriar is in Fairfax-not Chantilly.) That's where I shop. I used to say I lived in Herndon and people always said "Oh, what a cute little town." It is a cute little town--but it is not where I live. Soi, that's why I began to say Oak Hill. People in Oak Hill have a number of high schools they attend: It probably goes in this order, though I am not positive: Oakton, Chantilly, South Lakes, and Westfield. Some may go to Madison. I don't think any from that zip attend Herndon. So, I think that is why the residents do not identify with Herndon.

I think Herndon is pretty much within Dranesville District. Oak Hill is mostly Sully and Hunter Mill I think.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it gets built at Hutchison then it seems likely some homes currently zoned for Langley will be reboundaried for Herndon.

How in the world will they fit a high school next to Hutchison ES? There's not enough room, even if they demolished the elementary school.

Hutchison site is not a leading candidate anymore. Too small. Too far from Chantilly/Centreville, Too close to Herndon High, etc. From the latest CIP and the meeting, it seems like they are redoing the site selection.

Hutchinson may end up not being a good location- but counting the adjacent county park- it actually has more land than Fairfax HS- not familiar with all the other HS's.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it gets built at Hutchison then it seems likely some homes currently zoned for Langley will be reboundaried for Herndon.

How in the world will they fit a high school next to Hutchison ES? There's not enough room, even if they demolished the elementary school.

Hutchison site is not a leading candidate anymore. Too small. Too far from Chantilly/Centreville, Too close to Herndon High, etc. From the latest CIP and the meeting, it seems like they are redoing the site selection.

Hutchinson may end up not being a good location- but counting the adjacent county park- it actually has more land than Fairfax HS- not familiar with all the other HS's.

Hutchison is not a good location for a number of reasons:
1. Location is not within the area that is in need--Centreville and Chantilly
2. It would require major redistricting and domino movement. The site is within the Herndon boundary--which is not overcrowded. The closest school boundaries to that site are South Lakes and Westfield, which are also not overcrowded at this time.
3, Any students who would be redistricted into the Hutchison site would face MAJOR traffic difficulties because of the lack of arteries to that area. (It backs up to the DTR, so an additional artery going west would be problematic.
4. New Metro stop is adjacent to that area--not sure how the traffic patterns will work, but there is already gridlock in the mornings on Elden St/DTR intersection. That would be a major, major problem with multiple school buses, etc.

It just is not a logical solution.
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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in 20171 zip code. Herndon and Oak Hill are both recognizable city names for the mailing address purpose for 20171.

Some residents in 20171 do try to avoid Herndon name and maybe they do that becuase they believe Herndon is not very desirable area.

At the same time, I also have to say that 20171 area is quite different from Herndon downtown. Herndon proper vs Oak Hill (20171 Herndon) is kinda similar to Vienna vs Oakton in my opinion.

Historically, Oak Hill area was originally called Fring Pan farm and then Floris. I beleive Floris used to have its own post office established in 19th century. Sometime in mid 20th century, Floris PO was merged into Herndon and from that time this area has been called Herndon at least for the the postal city name. So I think there is some historical basis to distinguish Oak Hill from Herndon.

By that description you live in generic Fairfax county. Anything not in an incorporated town or city has flexible / arbitrary boundaries. Call where you live anything you want. It’s basically meaningless unless your area incorporates.

BTW I have heard from multiple, non-official sources that there are plans to buy up older, existing townhouse communities on the outskirts of TOH.
I think people tend to identify more with where they shop, etc. For me, an Oak Hill resident--it is Chantilly and Fairfax. (some may be surprised to know that Greenbriar is in Fairfax-not Chantilly.) That's where I shop. I used to say I lived in Herndon and people always said "Oh, what a cute little town." It is a cute little town--but it is not where I live. Soi, that's why I began to say Oak Hill. People in Oak Hill have a number of high schools they attend: It probably goes in this order, though I am not positive: Oakton, Chantilly, South Lakes, and Westfield. Some may go to Madison. I don't think any from that zip attend Herndon. So, I think that is why the residents do not identify with Herndon.

I think Herndon is pretty much within Dranesville District. Oak Hill is mostly Sully and Hunter Mill I think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in 20171 zip code. Herndon and Oak Hill are both recognizable city names for the mailing address purpose for 20171.

Some residents in 20171 do try to avoid Herndon name and maybe they do that becuase they believe Herndon is not very desirable area.

At the same time, I also have to say that 20171 area is quite different from Herndon downtown. Herndon proper vs Oak Hill (20171 Herndon) is kinda similar to Vienna vs Oakton in my opinion.

Historically, Oak Hill area was originally called Fring Pan farm and then Floris. I beleive Floris used to have its own post office established in 19th century. Sometime in mid 20th century, Floris PO was merged into Herndon and from that time this area has been called Herndon at least for the the postal city name. So I think there is some historical basis to distinguish Oak Hill from Herndon.

I think people tend to identify more with where they shop, etc. For me, an Oak Hill resident--it is Chantilly and Fairfax. (some may be surprised to know that Greenbriar is in Fairfax-not Chantilly.) That's where I shop. I used to say I lived in Herndon and people always said "Oh, what a cute little town." It is a cute little town--but it is not where I live. Soi, that's why I began to say Oak Hill. People in Oak Hill have a number of high schools they attend: It probably goes in this order, though I am not positive: Oakton, Chantilly, South Lakes, and Westfield. Some may go to Madison. I don't think any from that zip attend Herndon. So, I think that is why the residents do not identify with Herndon.

I think Herndon is pretty much within Dranesville District. Oak Hill is mostly Sully and Hunter Mill I think.

By that description you live in generic Fairfax county. Anything not in an incorporated town or city has flexible / arbitrary boundaries. Call where you live anything you want. It’s basically meaningless unless your area incorporates.

BTW I have heard from multiple, non-official sources that there are plans to buy up older, existing townhouse communities on the outskirts of TOH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it gets built at Hutchison then it seems likely some homes currently zoned for Langley will be reboundaried for Herndon.

How in the world will they fit a high school next to Hutchison ES? There's not enough room, even if they demolished the elementary school.

Hutchison site is not a leading candidate anymore. Too small. Too far from Chantilly/Centreville, Too close to Herndon High, etc. From the latest CIP and the meeting, it seems like they are redoing the site selection.

Hutchinson may end up not being a good location- but counting the adjacent county park- it actually has more land than Fairfax HS- not familiar with all the other HS's.

Hutchison is not a good location for a number of reasons:
1. Location is not within the area that is in need--Centreville and Chantilly
2. It would require major redistricting and domino movement. The site is within the Herndon boundary--which is not overcrowded. The closest school boundaries to that site are South Lakes and Westfield, which are also not overcrowded at this time.
3, Any students who would be redistricted into the Hutchison site would face MAJOR traffic difficulties because of the lack of arteries to that area. (It backs up to the DTR, so an additional artery going west would be problematic.
4. New Metro stop is adjacent to that area--not sure how the traffic patterns will work, but there is already gridlock in the mornings on Elden St/DTR intersection. That would be a major, major problem with multiple school buses, etc.

It just is not a logical solution.
4.

It's actually not a bad spot if it is meant to relieve pressure off of Centreville/Chantilly/McLean/Oakton and appease those concerned about increasing FARM rates in their schools. You can have Hutchinson take in all the low-income neighborhoods of Herndon, Dogwood, Hutchinson, Coates, McNair, Lake Anne, Dranesville that are all within its vicinity. Backfill Herndon with Great Falls/Forestville, as those parents may be reluctant to send their children to a 50% FARMS Herndon High but much less so in a 15% FARMS Herndon High, which in turn allows Langley to pick off two McLean elementary feeders. South Lakes loses its poorest neighborhoods but could then take in Floris/Crossfield.

With Westfield now down roughly 1000 students that it lost from Herndon neighborhoods; it would be more than enough to take off Centre Ridge/ Bull Run from Centreville/Chantilly.
All current high schools expect Westfield have their FARMS rate reduced and capacity controlled.

[Anonymous]

BTW I have heard from multiple, non-official sources that there are plans to buy up older, existing townhouse communities on the outskirts of TOH.

So, they are going to gentrify the area?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it gets built at Hutchison then it seems likely some homes currently zoned for Langley will be reboundaried for Herndon.

How in the world will they fit a high school next to Hutchison ES? There's not enough room, even if they demolished the elementary school.

Hutchison site is not a leading candidate anymore. Too small. Too far from Chantilly/Centreville, Too close to Herndon High, etc. From the latest CIP and the meeting, it seems like they are redoing the site selection.

Hutchinson may end up not being a good location- but counting the adjacent county park- it actually has more land than Fairfax HS- not familiar with all the other HS's.

Hutchison is not a good location for a number of reasons:
1. Location is not within the area that is in need--Centreville and Chantilly
2. It would require major redistricting and domino movement. The site is within the Herndon boundary--which is not overcrowded. The closest school boundaries to that site are South Lakes and Westfield, which are also not overcrowded at this time.
3, Any students who would be redistricted into the Hutchison site would face MAJOR traffic difficulties because of the lack of arteries to that area. (It backs up to the DTR, so an additional artery going west would be problematic.
4. New Metro stop is adjacent to that area--not sure how the traffic patterns will work, but there is already gridlock in the mornings on Elden St/DTR intersection. That would be a major, major problem with multiple school buses, etc.

It just is not a logical solution.
4.

It's actually not a bad spot if it is meant to relieve pressure off of Centreville/Chantilly/McLean/Oakton and appease those concerned about increasing FARM rates in their schools. You can have Hutchinson take in all the low-income neighborhoods of Herndon, Dogwood, Hutchinson, Coates, McNair, Lake Anne, Dranesville that are all within its vicinity. Backfill Herndon with Great Falls/Forestville, as those parents may be reluctant to send their children to a 50% FARMS Herndon High but much less so in a 15% FARMS Herndon High, which in turn allows Langley to pick off two McLean elementary feeders. South Lakes loses its poorest neighborhoods but could then take in Floris/Crossfield.

With Westfield now down roughly 1000 students that it lost from Herndon neighborhoods; it would be more than enough to take off Centre Ridge/ Bull Run from Centreville/Chantilly.
All current high schools expect Westfield have their FARMS rate reduced and capacity controlled.

So, this is about FARMS and not giving relief to Chantilly and Centreville. Got it.

[Anonymous]

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X1000.

But you have to admire the chutzpah of the Langley folks telling you that a new high school is years away, while signaling that they will continue to do everything in their power over the coming years to disrupt the normal processes - whether it's building a new school in western Fairfax or rebalancing elsewhere - to make sure they get their way.

Wrong. i posted that it is years away. That is true. I am a western Fairfax parent, not Langley. It bothers me that Herndon parent seems to want the new school in Herndon so it can justify getting Great Falls into Herndon.

Herndon does not need the relief. Chantilly and Centreville need the relief. It does not make sense to play dominos when those are the schools that are in need.

But, as I said, it is years away.

kids from about 5 or more Herndon elementary schools are being bussed to Westfield.

I assume you are speaking of those in the Oak Hill zip code. FWIW, the ones that go to Westfield who are closest to Herndon were rejected by Herndon and South Lakes in the 2008 redistricting. The DTR is a major dividing point.

Lol. I love how they call it "Oak Hill", no ma'am, you live in Herndon.

Where does the name “oak hill” originate?

Stop saying you live in Oak Hill, VA. It's Herndon. Even the postal code is Herndon. It's like saying I live in Main Street, Va.