How did Herndon/Westfield HS go from top to bottom?

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BTW I have heard from multiple, non-official sources that there are plans to buy up older, existing townhouse communities on the outskirts of TOH.

So, they are going to gentrify the area?

There is some speculation about that. I’m not sure that’s a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:If it gets built at Hutchison then it seems likely some homes currently zoned for Langley will be reboundaried for Herndon.

How in the world will they fit a high school next to Hutchison ES? There's not enough room, even if they demolished the elementary school.

Hutchison site is not a leading candidate anymore. Too small. Too far from Chantilly/Centreville, Too close to Herndon High, etc. From the latest CIP and the meeting, it seems like they are redoing the site selection.

Hutchinson may end up not being a good location- but counting the adjacent county park- it actually has more land than Fairfax HS- not familiar with all the other HS's.

Hutchison is not a good location for a number of reasons:
1. Location is not within the area that is in need--Centreville and Chantilly
2. It would require major redistricting and domino movement. The site is within the Herndon boundary--which is not overcrowded. The closest school boundaries to that site are South Lakes and Westfield, which are also not overcrowded at this time.
3, Any students who would be redistricted into the Hutchison site would face MAJOR traffic difficulties because of the lack of arteries to that area. (It backs up to the DTR, so an additional artery going west would be problematic.
4. New Metro stop is adjacent to that area--not sure how the traffic patterns will work, but there is already gridlock in the mornings on Elden St/DTR intersection. That would be a major, major problem with multiple school buses, etc.

It just is not a logical solution.
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It's actually not a bad spot if it is meant to relieve pressure off of Centreville/Chantilly/McLean/Oakton and appease those concerned about increasing FARM rates in their schools. You can have Hutchinson take in all the low-income neighborhoods of Herndon, Dogwood, Hutchinson, Coates, McNair, Lake Anne, Dranesville that are all within its vicinity. Backfill Herndon with Great Falls/Forestville, as those parents may be reluctant to send their children to a 50% FARMS Herndon High but much less so in a 15% FARMS Herndon High, which in turn allows Langley to pick off two McLean elementary feeders. South Lakes loses its poorest neighborhoods but could then take in Floris/Crossfield.

With Westfield now down roughly 1000 students that it lost from Herndon neighborhoods; it would be more than enough to take off Centre Ridge/ Bull Run from Centreville/Chantilly.
All current high schools expect Westfield have their FARMS rate reduced and capacity controlled.

So, this is about FARMS and not giving relief to Chantilly and Centreville. Got it.

If you build a new high school there are going to massive ricocheting effects in boundaries throughout the county. Probably the only way to sell such a move to voters is to tell them their high school test scores and ranking would go up via the removal of low scoring students that are disproportionately FARM kids.

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Anonymous wrote:If it gets built at Hutchison then it seems likely some homes currently zoned for Langley will be reboundaried for Herndon.

How in the world will they fit a high school next to Hutchison ES? There's not enough room, even if they demolished the elementary school.

Hutchison site is not a leading candidate anymore. Too small. Too far from Chantilly/Centreville, Too close to Herndon High, etc. From the latest CIP and the meeting, it seems like they are redoing the site selection.

Hutchinson may end up not being a good location- but counting the adjacent county park- it actually has more land than Fairfax HS- not familiar with all the other HS's.

Hutchison is not a good location for a number of reasons:
1. Location is not within the area that is in need--Centreville and Chantilly
2. It would require major redistricting and domino movement. The site is within the Herndon boundary--which is not overcrowded. The closest school boundaries to that site are South Lakes and Westfield, which are also not overcrowded at this time.
3, Any students who would be redistricted into the Hutchison site would face MAJOR traffic difficulties because of the lack of arteries to that area. (It backs up to the DTR, so an additional artery going west would be problematic.
4. New Metro stop is adjacent to that area--not sure how the traffic patterns will work, but there is already gridlock in the mornings on Elden St/DTR intersection. That would be a major, major problem with multiple school buses, etc.

It just is not a logical solution.
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Believe it or Not the Western HS idea was about the Silver line- not really Centreville and Chantilly specifically- they may pivot post covid and Silver line extension not open yet.
This was from Reston Now a few years ago Re: New HS-
The new high school is planned for somewhere along the Dulles Suburban Corridor to take students coming up through McNair, Coates and Hutchison elementary schools.

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It’s really disgusting how much discussion is going into putting down the low SES/ESL kids in the Herndon pyramid and ways to contain those and kids in similar situations walled off from the rest of FCPS. Worse, some of these poor kids are here because of federal and state decisions many well-heeled, blue voters throughout the county support. Oooh, we’re for this and that (so long as we send the newly arrived poor ones to Herndon, keep the old poor ones at Justice and Mount Vernon, the poor Asian ones at Annandale, ….). Barf.

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Anonymous wrote:If it gets built at Hutchison then it seems likely some homes currently zoned for Langley will be reboundaried for Herndon.

How in the world will they fit a high school next to Hutchison ES? There's not enough room, even if they demolished the elementary school.

Hutchison site is not a leading candidate anymore. Too small. Too far from Chantilly/Centreville, Too close to Herndon High, etc. From the latest CIP and the meeting, it seems like they are redoing the site selection.

Hutchinson may end up not being a good location- but counting the adjacent county park- it actually has more land than Fairfax HS- not familiar with all the other HS's.

Hutchison is not a good location for a number of reasons:
1. Location is not within the area that is in need--Centreville and Chantilly
2. It would require major redistricting and domino movement. The site is within the Herndon boundary--which is not overcrowded. The closest school boundaries to that site are South Lakes and Westfield, which are also not overcrowded at this time.
3, Any students who would be redistricted into the Hutchison site would face MAJOR traffic difficulties because of the lack of arteries to that area. (It backs up to the DTR, so an additional artery going west would be problematic.
4. New Metro stop is adjacent to that area--not sure how the traffic patterns will work, but there is already gridlock in the mornings on Elden St/DTR intersection. That would be a major, major problem with multiple school buses, etc.

It just is not a logical solution.
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Believe it or Not the Western HS idea was about the Silver line- not really Centreville and Chantilly specifically- they may pivot post covid and Silver line extension not open yet.
This was from Reston Now a few years ago Re: New HS-
The new high school is planned for somewhere along the Dulles Suburban Corridor to take students coming up through McNair, Coates and Hutchison elementary schools.

Yes, it was the original plan. But it seems like the admin scrapped that plan.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s really disgusting how much discussion is going into putting down the low SES/ESL kids in the Herndon pyramid and ways to contain those and kids in similar situations walled off from the rest of FCPS. Worse, some of these poor kids are here because of federal and state decisions many well-heeled, blue voters throughout the county support. Oooh, we’re for this and that (so long as we send the newly arrived poor ones to Herndon, keep the old poor ones at Justice and Mount Vernon, the poor Asian ones at Annandale, ….). Barf.

Democrats. So…..

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Anonymous wrote:Herndon HS? Really? I've been living in Fairfax County for the past 30 years and Herndon HS was never at the top. It was always TJ and then Langley, McLean. And then followed by wanna be Oakton or Madison. Woodson was always the little bastard child.

You may want to factor Chantilly into your rankings. It’s overtaking Oakton and Woodson in things like SATs and now has fewer base school kids going to TJ, which keeps the talent in house.

Chantilly has never had higher SATs than Oakton or Woodson.

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X1000.

But you have to admire the chutzpah of the Langley folks telling you that a new high school is years away, while signaling that they will continue to do everything in their power over the coming years to disrupt the normal processes - whether it's building a new school in western Fairfax or rebalancing elsewhere - to make sure they get their way.

Wrong. i posted that it is years away. That is true. I am a western Fairfax parent, not Langley. It bothers me that Herndon parent seems to want the new school in Herndon so it can justify getting Great Falls into Herndon.

Herndon does not need the relief. Chantilly and Centreville need the relief. It does not make sense to play dominos when those are the schools that are in need.

But, as I said, it is years away.

kids from about 5 or more Herndon elementary schools are being bussed to Westfield.

I assume you are speaking of those in the Oak Hill zip code. FWIW, the ones that go to Westfield who are closest to Herndon were rejected by Herndon and South Lakes in the 2008 redistricting. The DTR is a major dividing point.

Lol. I love how they call it "Oak Hill", no ma'am, you live in Herndon.

Where does the name “oak hill” originate?

Stop saying you live in Oak Hill, VA. It's Herndon. Even the postal code is Herndon. It's like saying I live in Main Street, Va.

Why don’t you look up on usps before you claim something?

https://tools.usps.com/zip-code-lookup.htm?citybyzipcode

Both Herndon (recommended) and Oak Hill (alternative) are recognized city names. In other words, you may not like people who say they live in Oak Hill but they are not technically incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:Herndon HS? Really? I've been living in Fairfax County for the past 30 years and Herndon HS was never at the top. It was always TJ and then Langley, McLean. And then followed by wanna be Oakton or Madison. Woodson was always the little bastard child.

You may want to factor Chantilly into your rankings. It’s overtaking Oakton and Woodson in things like SATs and now has fewer base school kids going to TJ, which keeps the talent in house.

Chantilly has never had higher SATs than Oakton or Woodson.

Chantilly and Marshall are below the Big 5 (Langley, McLean, Madison, Oakton, Woodson) and, of course, TJ. But Chantilly was only 1 point behind Madison for Class of 2021.

Class of 2020:

TJ 1527
Langley 1305
McLean 1295
Oakton 1281
Woodson 1264
Madison 1262
Marshall 1253
Chantilly 1247

Class of 2021:

TJ 1531
McLean 1295
Langley 1285
Woodson 1253
Oakton 1249
Madison 1230
Chantilly 1229
Marshall 1223

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X1000.

But you have to admire the chutzpah of the Langley folks telling you that a new high school is years away, while signaling that they will continue to do everything in their power over the coming years to disrupt the normal processes - whether it's building a new school in western Fairfax or rebalancing elsewhere - to make sure they get their way.

Wrong. i posted that it is years away. That is true. I am a western Fairfax parent, not Langley. It bothers me that Herndon parent seems to want the new school in Herndon so it can justify getting Great Falls into Herndon.

Herndon does not need the relief. Chantilly and Centreville need the relief. It does not make sense to play dominos when those are the schools that are in need.

But, as I said, it is years away.

kids from about 5 or more Herndon elementary schools are being bussed to Westfield.

I assume you are speaking of those in the Oak Hill zip code. FWIW, the ones that go to Westfield who are closest to Herndon were rejected by Herndon and South Lakes in the 2008 redistricting. The DTR is a major dividing point.

Lol. I love how they call it "Oak Hill", no ma'am, you live in Herndon.

Where does the name “oak hill” originate?

Stop saying you live in Oak Hill, VA. It's Herndon. Even the postal code is Herndon. It's like saying I live in Main Street, Va.

Why don’t you look up on usps before you claim something?

https://tools.usps.com/zip-code-lookup.htm?citybyzipcode

Both Herndon (recommended) and Oak Hill (alternative) are recognized city names. In other words, you may not like people who say they live in Oak Hill but they are not technically incorrect.

DP - They are the postal office names, not city names. But really, I don’t care.

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Anonymous wrote:Herndon HS? Really? I've been living in Fairfax County for the past 30 years and Herndon HS was never at the top. It was always TJ and then Langley, McLean. And then followed by wanna be Oakton or Madison. Woodson was always the little bastard child.

You may want to factor Chantilly into your rankings. It’s overtaking Oakton and Woodson in things like SATs and now has fewer base school kids going to TJ, which keeps the talent in house.

Chantilly has never had higher SATs than Oakton or Woodson.

Chantilly and Marshall are below the Big 5 (Langley, McLean, Madison, Oakton, Woodson) and, of course, TJ. But Chantilly was only 1 point behind Madison for Class of 2021.

Class of 2020:

TJ 1527
Langley 1305
McLean 1295
Oakton 1281
Woodson 1264
Madison 1262
Marshall 1253
Chantilly 1247

Class of 2021:

TJ 1531
McLean 1295
Langley 1285
Woodson 1253
Oakton 1249
Madison 1230
Chantilly 1229
Marshall 1223

The scores are not reflective of the teachers, but the involvement of the parents (or more accurately how much money parents through at other people to deal with their children). Consequently, the snowflakes can succeed in any FCPS school. Plenty of 4-year college bound students come out of Herndon, Justice, etc.

The real problems stem from FCPS itself, but that’s for a different thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Herndon HS? Really? I've been living in Fairfax County for the past 30 years and Herndon HS was never at the top. It was always TJ and then Langley, McLean. And then followed by wanna be Oakton or Madison. Woodson was always the little bastard child.

You may want to factor Chantilly into your rankings. It’s overtaking Oakton and Woodson in things like SATs and now has fewer base school kids going to TJ, which keeps the talent in house.

Chantilly has never had higher SATs than Oakton or Woodson.

Chantilly and Marshall are below the Big 5 (Langley, McLean, Madison, Oakton, Woodson) and, of course, TJ. But Chantilly was only 1 point behind Madison for Class of 2021.

Class of 2020:

TJ 1527
Langley 1305
McLean 1295
Oakton 1281
Woodson 1264
Madison 1262
Marshall 1253
Chantilly 1247

Class of 2021:

TJ 1531
McLean 1295
Langley 1285
Woodson 1253
Oakton 1249
Madison 1230
Chantilly 1229
Marshall 1223

The scores are not reflective of the teachers, but the involvement of the parents (or more accurately how much money parents through at other people to deal with their children). Consequently, the snowflakes can succeed in any FCPS school. Plenty of 4-year college bound students come out of Herndon, Justice, etc.

The real problems stem from FCPS itself, but that’s for a different thread.

When 3 of those top 8 are schools that are likely to see their boundaries change with a new high school (Langley, Oakton, and Chantilly), you can expect a lot of jockeying to try to stay in those pyramids or even kill the new school entirely.

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When 3 of those top 8 are schools that are likely to see their boundaries change with a new high school (Langley, Oakton, and Chantilly), you can expect a lot of jockeying to try to stay in those pyramids or even kill the new school entirely.

Doubt Langley will be affected. Who would go there?

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When 3 of those top 8 are schools that are likely to see their boundaries change with a new high school (Langley, Oakton, and Chantilly), you can expect a lot of jockeying to try to stay in those pyramids or even kill the new school entirely.

Doubt Langley will be affected. Who would go there?

Depends where the new school is. All the talk is of them trying to build a school near the airport, but there is no space. If they build the school in Great Falls, Langley will be affected.

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When 3 of those top 8 are schools that are likely to see their boundaries change with a new high school (Langley, Oakton, and Chantilly), you can expect a lot of jockeying to try to stay in those pyramids or even kill the new school entirely.

Doubt Langley will be affected. Who would go there?

Depends where the new school is. All the talk is of them trying to build a school near the airport, but there is no space. If they build the school in Great Falls, Langley will be affected.

Yes. Great idea. Build a school in Great Falls to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly and Centreville.