Youngkin and TJ

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Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

“Economically disadvantaged” is clearly defined - basically HHI under $47,638.

The question is if they used that existing definition or if they used the self-reported data on free lunches.

Nope, that’s not how Virginia DOE defines it.

Pandemic aside, there is a defined max HHI amount.

https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals
Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level qualify for reduced-price meals.

Then THIS is what the TJ admissions office should have asked on the application!

They cannot fix it for the class of 2025, that ship has already sailed. They should go back and ask it for the class of 2026 that is being evaluated this year. Otherwise it’s just make-believe that they are increasing the number of low income kids at TJHSST.

I am curious.... which group is it, do you think, that misrepresented themselves as economically disadvantaged in order to improve their chances at admission to TJ?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone care enough to file the FOIA request? Based on the vitriol and the certainty on this thread, I would have thought someone already would have. Of course that implies that they actually care and aren't just trying stir up resentment and anger

This is all about stirring up resentment and anger. That's how the GOP was able to take back VA.

Yup. A whole lot of butthurt and zero facts.

Butthurt from losing VA? Talking about zero facts, isn’t it the FCPS and its supporters who used nothing but lies to push for TJ reform?

Butthurt from TJ reform. Raging, disgruntled parents don’t have facts (and seemingly can’t handle math) so they push lies.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny that it was whites, not asians, who enslaved blacks, and now they want the asians to be the scapegoat for their hideous crimes.

What does slavery have to do with opportunity hoarding?

Merit based and hard working is NOT opportunity hoarding. White liberals use past oppressions of minorities to promote their evil agenda, which is to further boost white interest. TJ reform is a perfect example.

TJ reform opens access to hardworking, qualified students from all over the county.

We now have better representation from ALL middle schools. Not just the feeders. And we also have a class that looks more like the population of the county.

Who benefited most from these changes? Hardworking, qualified kids who are from economically-disadvantaged families. And hardworking, qualified kids who are URMs.

That's absolutely false! It actually closed doors for those who are most talented in STEM, which should have been the mission TJ education. This is like NBA draft will be purely based on the assessment of playing among the middle schoolers, not in the highest level of games.

That is demonstratively TRUE. All have met the criteria. They are top 1.5% of their middle school.

Yes, if only NBA recruited evenly from all the colleges, it would be much stronger. What a bunch of idiots!

The NBA and the public school systems have different goals and stakeholders.

Public school's goals include racial discrimination against Asians?

Asian students are still disproportionately OVERrepresented.

So…no.

Again, overrepresented by what?

By county population.

And here’s your racist response in 3 - 2 - 1.

why should we go with population, but no by merit?

It’s a school that serves the county. It serves the whole population. Not a subset.

Isn't that how race quota and racism is defined though?

No. It’s a school quota. Race isn’t involved.

For the first time, TJ has representation from across the entire county (and beyond).

Yes, it is, just not explicitly.

Correct.

The “equity-based” reform initiative achieved the racial result it was designed to achieve.

To claim the new process was “race blind” is laughable.

Both processes were by definition "race-blind". That term means something different from what most people think it means.

The goal should always be "race-neutral", meaning that the process does not have disparate impacts on various racial groups because of how it is constructed. The old process was very far from "race-neutral" because it very clearly favored families with parents who had resources and motivation to invest in the TJ admissions process. The "resources" piece favored the wealthy, and the "motivation" piece favored Asian families - the evidence for which is in the deeply imbalanced application numbers. Asian parents - and especially recently immigrated South Asian parents - on balance care WAY more about TJ admission than any other group by orders of magnitude.

While the new process is still not "race-neutral", it is a much better approximation of the goal because of the elimination of two key elements: 1) the application fee, and 2) the admissions exams.

If this isn’t racist I don’t know what is. Typical liberal stuff though.

Again…. Exactly what are you taking issue with? I stated nothing that isn’t true and that people don’t openly accept.

I can tell you're a disgusting person as with all other liberals.
First, do you have any evidence that Asian parents care way more about education than other groups? Don't just tell me it's from your biased a$$.
Second, even if it's true, who the eff are you to tell people it's right or wrong? Do you consider yourself a dictator of this country, who can decide whether other parents should care about education?
Who the eff are you to tell people not to work hard just to be "fair" to others?
Liberals are truly cancers to human society.

Indian dad here. While I'm not happy with the anti-merit changes to the admissions process, the characterization of our community above with respect to TJ is accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

“Economically disadvantaged” is clearly defined - basically HHI under $47,638.

The question is if they used that existing definition or if they used the self-reported data on free lunches.

Nope, that’s not how Virginia DOE defines it.

Pandemic aside, there is a defined max HHI amount.

https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals
Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level qualify for reduced-price meals.

Then THIS is what the TJ admissions office should have asked on the application!

They cannot fix it for the class of 2025, that ship has already sailed. They should go back and ask it for the class of 2026 that is being evaluated this year. Otherwise it’s just make-believe that they are increasing the number of low income kids at TJHSST.

Or they can just verify which applicants were ED. FCPS has some data - it’s not like they are reporting in general that they have 100% ED families because the meals are available to all students.

You should call.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone care enough to file the FOIA request? Based on the vitriol and the certainty on this thread, I would have thought someone already would have. Of course that implies that they actually care and aren't just trying stir up resentment and anger

This is all about stirring up resentment and anger. That's how the GOP was able to take back VA.

Yup. A whole lot of butthurt and zero facts.

Butthurt from losing VA? Talking about zero facts, isn’t it the FCPS and its supporters who used nothing but lies to push for TJ reform?

Butthurt from TJ reform. Raging, disgruntled parents don’t have facts (and seemingly can’t handle math) so they push lies.

For months we heard that this was a ploy to increase white enrollment and that URM enrollment would barely budge. When the opposite happened, first it was whites lying about their race. When it was pointed out that race is declared when a student is first enrolled in FCPS, it became whites lying about being poor. People can't accept that the reforms are doing exactly what they were supposed to do- increase URM enrollment, increase geographic diversity, and increase the portion of FARMs students enrolled.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone care enough to file the FOIA request? Based on the vitriol and the certainty on this thread, I would have thought someone already would have. Of course that implies that they actually care and aren't just trying stir up resentment and anger

This is all about stirring up resentment and anger. That's how the GOP was able to take back VA.

Yup. A whole lot of butthurt and zero facts.

Butthurt from losing VA? Talking about zero facts, isn’t it the FCPS and its supporters who used nothing but lies to push for TJ reform?

Butthurt from TJ reform. Raging, disgruntled parents don’t have facts (and seemingly can’t handle math) so they push lies.

For months we heard that this was a ploy to increase white enrollment and that URM enrollment would barely budge. When the opposite happened, first it was whites lying about their race. When it was pointed out that race is declared when a student is first enrolled in FCPS, it became whites lying about being poor. People can't accept that the reforms are doing exactly what they were supposed to do- increase URM enrollment, increase geographic diversity, and increase the portion of FARMs students enrolled.

Exactly. They are attempting to delegitimize the process by making unsupported and unsubstantiated claims about the process not doing what it was intended to do. Most of their claims are essentially non-falsifiable.

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Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

The trouble is, with a clear definition of what "economically disadvantaged" is, you will have families who will do everything in their power to fit themselves into that narrow definition in order to gain an advantage.

What's amusing about the comment previous to yours is that folks don't realize that the new admissions process did a huge favor to economically disadvantaged Asian families. It just so happens that the vast majority of those, in this area, are East and Southeast Asian families who live in the areas close to TJ.

But go on - keep spouting your nonsense about how these reforms are "anti-Asian" and "racist".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

The trouble is, with a clear definition of what "economically disadvantaged" is, you will have families who will do everything in their power to fit themselves into that narrow definition in order to gain an advantage.

What's amusing about the comment previous to yours is that folks don't realize that the new admissions process did a huge favor to economically disadvantaged Asian families. It just so happens that the vast majority of those, in this area, are East and Southeast Asian families who live in the areas close to TJ.

But go on - keep spouting your nonsense about how these reforms are "anti-Asian" and "racist".

+1000 i love how quiet this thread gets when someone gets it right

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone care enough to file the FOIA request? Based on the vitriol and the certainty on this thread, I would have thought someone already would have. Of course that implies that they actually care and aren't just trying stir up resentment and anger

This is all about stirring up resentment and anger. That's how the GOP was able to take back VA.

Yup. A whole lot of butthurt and zero facts.

Butthurt from losing VA? Talking about zero facts, isn’t it the FCPS and its supporters who used nothing but lies to push for TJ reform?

Butthurt from TJ reform. Raging, disgruntled parents don’t have facts (and seemingly can’t handle math) so they push lies.

For months we heard that this was a ploy to increase white enrollment and that URM enrollment would barely budge. When the opposite happened, first it was whites lying about their race. When it was pointed out that race is declared when a student is first enrolled in FCPS, it became whites lying about being poor. People can't accept that the reforms are doing exactly what they were supposed to do- increase URM enrollment, increase geographic diversity, and increase the portion of FARMs students enrolled.

Exactly. They are attempting to delegitimize the process by making unsupported and unsubstantiated claims about the process not doing what it was intended to do. Most of their claims are essentially non-falsifiable.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

The trouble is, with a clear definition of what "economically disadvantaged" is, you will have families who will do everything in their power to fit themselves into that narrow definition in order to gain an advantage.

What's amusing about the comment previous to yours is that folks don't realize that the new admissions process did a huge favor to economically disadvantaged Asian families. It just so happens that the vast majority of those, in this area, are East and Southeast Asian families who live in the areas close to TJ.

But go on - keep spouting your nonsense about how these reforms are "anti-Asian" and "racist".

+1000 i love how quiet this thread gets when someone gets it right

Exactly. Crickets.

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Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

The trouble is, with a clear definition of what "economically disadvantaged" is, you will have families who will do everything in their power to fit themselves into that narrow definition in order to gain an advantage.

What's amusing about the comment previous to yours is that folks don't realize that the new admissions process did a huge favor to economically disadvantaged Asian families. It just so happens that the vast majority of those, in this area, are East and Southeast Asian families who live in the areas close to TJ.

But go on - keep spouting your nonsense about how these reforms are "anti-Asian" and "racist".

Do you think they don't realize it or do you think they conveniently ignore it because it doesn't suit the narrative?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

The trouble is, with a clear definition of what "economically disadvantaged" is, you will have families who will do everything in their power to fit themselves into that narrow definition in order to gain an advantage.

What's amusing about the comment previous to yours is that folks don't realize that the new admissions process did a huge favor to economically disadvantaged Asian families. It just so happens that the vast majority of those, in this area, are East and Southeast Asian families who live in the areas close to TJ.

But go on - keep spouting your nonsense about how these reforms are "anti-Asian" and "racist".

Do you think they don't realize it or do you think they conveniently ignore it because it doesn't suit the narrative?

I think it's a little bit of both. I see equal parts of astroturf-fueled disinformation and ignorance-driven misinformation coming from the regressive side on these threads.

You can tell the difference because the astroturfing that is either coming from Nomani or Jackson or one of their stooges is usually much more polished.

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The irony is hilarious. TJ reformers were able to get support for anti-education policies by literally promising people a free lunch!

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Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

The trouble is, with a clear definition of what "economically disadvantaged" is, you will have families who will do everything in their power to fit themselves into that narrow definition in order to gain an advantage.

What's amusing about the comment previous to yours is that folks don't realize that the new admissions process did a huge favor to economically disadvantaged Asian families. It just so happens that the vast majority of those, in this area, are East and Southeast Asian families who live in the areas close to TJ.

But go on - keep spouting your nonsense about how these reforms are "anti-Asian" and "racist".

Do you think they don't realize it or do you think they conveniently ignore it because it doesn't suit the narrative?

OK. I'll jump in. The "huge favor" seems like wishful thinking, since the percentage of Asian students admitted dropped considerably and the "areas close to TJ" have the lowest number of Asian kids of any parts of the county.

But, I mean, if you have hard data to suggest there's been a big jump in the number of economically disadvantages Asian kids getting into TJ, as opposed to the big decline in the number of economically secure Asian kjds getting admitted, feel free to share.

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Anonymous wrote:The irony is hilarious. TJ reformers were able to get support for anti-education policies by literally promising people a free lunch!

Speaking of ignorance-driven misinformation…