Youngkin and TJ

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I won't be surprised if FCPS fabricated data. They're a bunch of liars and criminals.

+1

It doesn’t add up.

Actually I think the FCPS staff just doesn’t care and is fine doing sloppy work.

Parents are the only ones who truly care about education. Staff just wants as little fuss and work as possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

“Economically disadvantaged” is clearly defined - basically HHI under $47,638.

The question is if they used that existing definition or if they used the self-reported data on free lunches.

[Anonymous]

This is how Virginia DOE defines economically disadvantaged:

Economically Disadvantaged

A student is economically disadvantaged if the student:

is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals,
receives TANF, or
is eligible for Medicaid.

Under this definition, yes EVERY FCPS child is economically disadvantaged last school and this school year.

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/info_management/data_collection/student_record_collection/data_definitions.shtml#disadvantaged

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

“Economically disadvantaged” is clearly defined - basically HHI under $47,638.

The question is if they used that existing definition or if they used the self-reported data on free lunches.

Nope, that’s not how Virginia DOE defines it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

I know! They should be drawing from the rich areas since we pay the most taxes!

[Anonymous]

Does anyone care enough to file the FOIA request? Based on the vitriol and the certainty on this thread, I would have thought someone already would have. Of course that implies that they actually care and aren't just trying stir up resentment and anger

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone care enough to file the FOIA request? Based on the vitriol and the certainty on this thread, I would have thought someone already would have. Of course that implies that they actually care and aren't just trying stir up resentment and anger

This is all about stirring up resentment and anger. That's how the GOP was able to take back VA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny that it was whites, not asians, who enslaved blacks, and now they want the asians to be the scapegoat for their hideous crimes.

What does slavery have to do with opportunity hoarding?

Merit based and hard working is NOT opportunity hoarding. White liberals use past oppressions of minorities to promote their evil agenda, which is to further boost white interest. TJ reform is a perfect example.

TJ reform opens access to hardworking, qualified students from all over the county.

We now have better representation from ALL middle schools. Not just the feeders. And we also have a class that looks more like the population of the county.

Who benefited most from these changes? Hardworking, qualified kids who are from economically-disadvantaged families. And hardworking, qualified kids who are URMs.

That's absolutely false! It actually closed doors for those who are most talented in STEM, which should have been the mission TJ education. This is like NBA draft will be purely based on the assessment of playing among the middle schoolers, not in the highest level of games.

That is demonstratively TRUE. All have met the criteria. They are top 1.5% of their middle school.

Yes, if only NBA recruited evenly from all the colleges, it would be much stronger. What a bunch of idiots!

The NBA and the public school systems have different goals and stakeholders.

Public school's goals include racial discrimination against Asians?

Asian students are still disproportionately OVERrepresented.

So…no.

Again, overrepresented by what?

By county population.

And here’s your racist response in 3 - 2 - 1.

why should we go with population, but no by merit?

It’s a school that serves the county. It serves the whole population. Not a subset.

Isn't that how race quota and racism is defined though?

No. It’s a school quota. Race isn’t involved.

For the first time, TJ has representation from across the entire county (and beyond).

Yes, it is, just not explicitly.

Correct.

The “equity-based” reform initiative achieved the racial result it was designed to achieve.

To claim the new process was “race blind” is laughable.

Both processes were by definition "race-blind". That term means something different from what most people think it means.

The goal should always be "race-neutral", meaning that the process does not have disparate impacts on various racial groups because of how it is constructed. The old process was very far from "race-neutral" because it very clearly favored families with parents who had resources and motivation to invest in the TJ admissions process. The "resources" piece favored the wealthy, and the "motivation" piece favored Asian families - the evidence for which is in the deeply imbalanced application numbers. Asian parents - and especially recently immigrated South Asian parents - on balance care WAY more about TJ admission than any other group by orders of magnitude.

While the new process is still not "race-neutral", it is a much better approximation of the goal because of the elimination of two key elements: 1) the application fee, and 2) the admissions exams.

If this isn’t racist I don’t know what is. Typical liberal stuff though.

Again…. Exactly what are you taking issue with? I stated nothing that isn’t true and that people don’t openly accept.

I can tell you're a disgusting person as with all other liberals.
First, do you have any evidence that Asian parents care way more about education than other groups? Don't just tell me it's from your biased a$$.
Second, even if it's true, who the eff are you to tell people it's right or wrong? Do you consider yourself a dictator of this country, who can decide whether other parents should care about education?
Who the eff are you to tell people not to work hard just to be "fair" to others?
Liberals are truly cancers to human society.

This is a new level of trolling right here. Nice work.

1) I didn't say that Asians care way more about education than other groups. I DID say that they care way more about TJ admission than any other group. The evidence comes from them being significantly over-represented among the pool of applicants every single year and is non-controversial.
2) I'm not here to tell people that they should or should not care about TJ admission, or to place a value judgment on whether or not they should care. The only thing I say, repeatedly, is that they shouldn't have an advantage in the process because their parents care about it and start planning for it at an earlier age.
3) No one is telling them not to work hard. The values that are instilled in these kids are going to set them up for success for years and years to come. What I and others are saying is to stop assuming that others don't work equally hard and that the choices your family makes should afford you increased access to a taxpayer-funded public school opportunity.

But go ahead, mischaracterize to your heart's content.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

“Economically disadvantaged” is clearly defined - basically HHI under $47,638.

The question is if they used that existing definition or if they used the self-reported data on free lunches.

Nope, that’s not how Virginia DOE defines it.

Pandemic aside, there is a defined max HHI amount.

https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals
Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level qualify for reduced-price meals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone care enough to file the FOIA request? Based on the vitriol and the certainty on this thread, I would have thought someone already would have. Of course that implies that they actually care and aren't just trying stir up resentment and anger

This is all about stirring up resentment and anger. That's how the GOP was able to take back VA.

Yup. A whole lot of butthurt and zero facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone care enough to file the FOIA request? Based on the vitriol and the certainty on this thread, I would have thought someone already would have. Of course that implies that they actually care and aren't just trying stir up resentment and anger

This is all about stirring up resentment and anger. That's how the GOP was able to take back VA.

Yup. A whole lot of butthurt and zero facts.

Butthurt from losing VA? Talking about zero facts, isn’t it the FCPS and its supporters who used nothing but lies to push for TJ reform?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:POVERTY
In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.

ECONOMICALLY-DISADVANTAGED
A student is reported as economically disadvantaged if he or she meets any one of the following criteria:
Is eligible for Free/Reduced Meals;
Receives Temporary Assistance for Needy Families;
Is eligible for Medicaid; or
Is a migrant or is experiencing homelessness.

Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level (33,475) are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level (up to 47,638) qualify for reduced-price meals.

What is your issue with FCPS families with a HHI of <$50k?

FCPS is offering no-cost meals at all locations this school year: https://www.fcps.edu/return-school/food, but this is still #1 criteria! My neighbors live in a $2M house, and their kids are "eligible" for free meals and use this opportunity. That is my issue with this "economically disadvantaged" definition.

Yes, we’ve covered that already.

And we still don’t know what data are they are using for “economically disadvantaged” on their admissions report. The self-reported application data vs verified ED status.

Last year, the admitted class only had 0.62% ED kids (~3 kids). It’s extremely likely there were significantly more than that this year if they were drawing kids from all over the county.

So which disgruntled parent is calling this morning to ask what ED data they used on their admissions report?

Send an email to get it in writing.

I would ask what the definition of “economically disadvantaged” is. It’s not clear at all.

One crazy conspiracy theory - there are some widely accepted definitions that use race as a way define economically disadvantaged. What if FCPS used this as backdoor way to consider race?

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/economically-disadvantaged

Looking at the numbers:

They claim 138 “economically disadvantaged” kids in the class of 2025.

They said that they admitted 39 black students, 62 Hispanic, and 27 multi-racial student. If they included race under “economically disadvantaged”, they would only need to have 10 white/Asian kids that were legitimately low income.

I don’t think this is what happened. But without a clear definition of what “economically disadvantaged” is, there will be people who will speculate.

“Economically disadvantaged” is clearly defined - basically HHI under $47,638.

The question is if they used that existing definition or if they used the self-reported data on free lunches.

Nope, that’s not how Virginia DOE defines it.

Pandemic aside, there is a defined max HHI amount.

https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals
Families who earn less than 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals and those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of poverty level qualify for reduced-price meals.

Then THIS is what the TJ admissions office should have asked on the application!

They cannot fix it for the class of 2025, that ship has already sailed. They should go back and ask it for the class of 2026 that is being evaluated this year. Otherwise it’s just make-believe that they are increasing the number of low income kids at TJHSST.