Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

Are you trying to tell us that hearsay on Louder with Crowder was not a legitimate source?

I'm not a fan of Crowder, but he published the bulletin that he received and he accurately reported what it said. Whomever wrote the bulletin apparently was clueless.

Also, another word of caution. The bullet pictures posted here are not of the actual bullets.We don't know that the actual bullets look anything like these pictures.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people who say that no one knew this guy and that their well-informed kids didn't know him... sorry, but your kids are not well-informed.

I am 50-year-old mom and I get that, if you don't ever look at social media you may not have heard of him, but if you have teens you absolutely should have.

Charlie Kirk was uber famous. There are memes about the memes about him.

I am looking forward to when the 48-hours expire and we can discuss some of his views here. I wholeheartedly respect DCUM's rules and I condemn in the strongest possible terms what happened to Charlie Kirk. No one asks or deserves to me murdered. Political violence is horrible for all of us. But Charlie Kirk was a very famous public figure and there is no contradiction between denouncing the assassination and critiquing his views.

I’ve never heard of him nor have my tweens. We aren’t big into SM though. Is Kirk kinda like Mr. Beast? I have heard of Mr. Beast? Is that his name? He had his own brand of lunchables.

If you had an 18 year old boy he would have heard of him. My college freshman said the killing was all his team talked about at practice yesterday. The team is a mix of conservative and liberal kids and opinions on Kirk ranged from adoration to disgust. He said they had a respectful discussion, which gave me great hope.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

Are you trying to tell us that hearsay on Louder with Crowder was not a legitimate source?

I'm not a fan of Crowder, but he published the bulletin that he received and he accurately reported what it said. Whomever wrote the bulletin apparently was clueless.

Also, another word of caution. The bullet pictures posted here are not of the actual bullets.We don't know that the actual bullets look anything like these pictures.

I have to disagree. Describing the appearance of the ammunition, including any brand inscriptions on the headstamp, is absolutely 100% normal and expected protocol for a law enforcement officer who recovers ammunition, casings, or fragments. That's very basic evidence collection and documentation stuff. The problem is that Crowder, either inadvertently or intentionally, misrepresented the significance of that information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

Are you trying to tell us that hearsay on Louder with Crowder was not a legitimate source?

I'm not a fan of Crowder, but he published the bulletin that he received and he accurately reported what it said. Whomever wrote the bulletin apparently was clueless.

Also, another word of caution. The bullet pictures posted here are not of the actual bullets.We don't know that the actual bullets look anything like these pictures.

I have to disagree. Describing the appearance of the ammunition, including any brand inscriptions on the headstamp, is absolutely 100% normal and expected protocol for a law enforcement officer who recovers ammunition, casings, or fragments. That's very basic evidence collection and documentation stuff. The problem is that Crowder, either inadvertently or intentionally, misrepresented the significance of that information.

I take this back. I see what Crowder posted.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

Are you trying to tell us that hearsay on Louder with Crowder was not a legitimate source?

I'm not a fan of Crowder, but he published the bulletin that he received and he accurately reported what it said. Whomever wrote the bulletin apparently was clueless.

Also, another word of caution. The bullet pictures posted here are not of the actual bullets.We don't know that the actual bullets look anything like these pictures.

Maybe such inflammatory reports shouldn’t be made without clear corroboration? Especially by a org the size of WSJ. Just a thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think many of you leftists have no idea why Kirk's assassination has turned into such a big deal.

Kirk was doing it "the right way" according to the left. Disagree politely, listen, give the other side space.

And he was killed because leftists didn't like what he had to say (as this thread amply shows) and they didn't want him to keep saying it.

Lots and lots of the "Democrat base" are celebrating and cheering the deliberate murder of someone who had the guts to publicly disagree with the left. "Debate this!" I see the signs being posted on college campuses, with a drawing of Kirk bleeding out from his neck.

So.

What value is there is "peace" and "restraint" when leftists murdered the most prominent guy on the right who was all about peace and restraint? And celebrate his death?

If you leftists are so glad to see Kirk killed... well, there's no possibility of peace, is there. He WAS the "peaceful solution". And leftists murdered him for it. Or at least are very happy about it.

If Kirk is not acceptable to the left.... we all know you guys would GLADLY kill the rest of us, too.

Kirk was a sort of "ambassador" to the left... and he was murdered because of it. What happens when an ambassador is killed? That's a casus belli and has been since Ghengis Khan, at the very least.

I don’t appreciate the broad generalization happening here. First off, this person probably worked alone, 75 million people and or anyone official is involved here. I have no control over what others say or do. And I think “lots” is an exaggeration. The celebrators are a minority amongst a large group of people.

It's been less than 24 hours since he was killed, and I've already seen coworkers, people just out in public - and certainly a lot of people on this very board, openly cheering that he was killed.

I think you're wrong in thinking that this is a 'small' segment of people on the left. I wasn't even looking, and saw dozens of examples of it, less than a day after he was killed.

I didn't agree with much of anything Charlie Kirk said. But first and foremost, he was a human being, with a wife and two young kids that will now grow up without a father. I'm deeply disappointed and kind of shocked by my own political party at the moment. There's some sickening stuff being said on reddit/bluesky/twitter, and it's not even been a day.

I am not seeing anyone at all cheering. I am seeing people respond to his death in the exact same way he responded to other deaths. I am seeing people quote him word for word and then being told they are sick for making such comments.

It is sick. To me, it implies they think he deserved it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[img]

Anonymous wrote:To all the people who say that no one knew this guy and that their well-informed kids didn't know him... sorry, but your kids are not well-informed.

I am 50-year-old mom and I get that, if you don't ever look at social media you may not have heard of him, but if you have teens you absolutely should have.

Charlie Kirk was uber famous. There are memes about the memes about him.

I am looking forward to when the 48-hours expire and we can discuss some of his views here. I wholeheartedly respect DCUM's rules and I condemn in the strongest possible terms what happened to Charlie Kirk. No one asks or deserves to me murdered. Political violence is horrible for all of us. But Charlie Kirk was a very famous public figure and there is no contradiction between denouncing the assassination and critiquing his views.

I’ve never heard of him nor have my tweens. We aren’t big into SM though. Is Kirk kinda like Mr. Beast? I have heard of Mr. Beast? Is that his name? He had his own brand of lunchables.

If you had an 18 year old boy he would have heard of him. My college freshman said the killing was all his team talked about at practice yesterday. The team is a mix of conservative and liberal kids and opinions on Kirk ranged from adoration to disgust. He said they had a respectful discussion, which gave me great hope.

So Kirk was basically the radical right conservative version of Mr. Beast? Along these lines?

[Anonymous]

My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

[Anonymous]

Trump says they caught the suspect?

[Anonymous]

Spray painted message on the Seattle Central College sign:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump says they caught the suspect?

Drudge also reporting suspect in custody.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think many of you leftists have no idea why Kirk's assassination has turned into such a big deal.

Kirk was doing it "the right way" according to the left. Disagree politely, listen, give the other side space.

And he was killed because leftists didn't like what he had to say (as this thread amply shows) and they didn't want him to keep saying it.

Lots and lots of the "Democrat base" are celebrating and cheering the deliberate murder of someone who had the guts to publicly disagree with the left. "Debate this!" I see the signs being posted on college campuses, with a drawing of Kirk bleeding out from his neck.

So.

What value is there is "peace" and "restraint" when leftists murdered the most prominent guy on the right who was all about peace and restraint? And celebrate his death?

If you leftists are so glad to see Kirk killed... well, there's no possibility of peace, is there. He WAS the "peaceful solution". And leftists murdered him for it. Or at least are very happy about it.

If Kirk is not acceptable to the left.... we all know you guys would GLADLY kill the rest of us, too.

Kirk was a sort of "ambassador" to the left... and he was murdered because of it. What happens when an ambassador is killed? That's a casus belli and has been since Ghengis Khan, at the very least.

I don’t appreciate the broad generalization happening here. First off, this person probably worked alone, 75 million people and or anyone official is involved here. I have no control over what others say or do. And I think “lots” is an exaggeration. The celebrators are a minority amongst a large group of people.

It's been less than 24 hours since he was killed, and I've already seen coworkers, people just out in public - and certainly a lot of people on this very board, openly cheering that he was killed.

I think you're wrong in thinking that this is a 'small' segment of people on the left. I wasn't even looking, and saw dozens of examples of it, less than a day after he was killed.

I didn't agree with much of anything Charlie Kirk said. But first and foremost, he was a human being, with a wife and two young kids that will now grow up without a father. I'm deeply disappointed and kind of shocked by my own political party at the moment. There's some sickening stuff being said on reddit/bluesky/twitter, and it's not even been a day.

I am not seeing anyone at all cheering. I am seeing people respond to his death in the exact same way he responded to other deaths. I am seeing people quote him word for word and then being told they are sick for making such comments.

It is sick. To me, it implies they think he deserved it.

Using his own words in the same context, makes THEM sick?

The more I learn about this situation the more it makes me feel like this was a cult, and that’s a problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

He wasn’t just some youtube guy - he founded a movement. Don't go to the clueless for advice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

I am your mother.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

This was really irresponsible reporting. I am a fan of WSJ, but they put this on their front page. Egregious and now conspiracy theorists will never believe anything else.

I don’t think particularly highly of the WSJ, but I’m genuinely shocked that no one there has even a basic working knowledge of what firearm ammunition looks like.

Not particularly shocked about the WSJ getting it wrong, but I am surprised that none of the right wing social media provocateurs knew that the TRN on the casings was just a brand marker.

They knew, but they are so use to starting and spreading lies, they did not care