Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think many of you leftists have no idea why Kirk's assassination has turned into such a big deal.

Kirk was doing it "the right way" according to the left. Disagree politely, listen, give the other side space.

And he was killed because leftists didn't like what he had to say (as this thread amply shows) and they didn't want him to keep saying it.

Lots and lots of the "Democrat base" are celebrating and cheering the deliberate murder of someone who had the guts to publicly disagree with the left. "Debate this!" I see the signs being posted on college campuses, with a drawing of Kirk bleeding out from his neck.

So.

What value is there is "peace" and "restraint" when leftists murdered the most prominent guy on the right who was all about peace and restraint? And celebrate his death?

If you leftists are so glad to see Kirk killed... well, there's no possibility of peace, is there. He WAS the "peaceful solution". And leftists murdered him for it. Or at least are very happy about it.

If Kirk is not acceptable to the left.... we all know you guys would GLADLY kill the rest of us, too.

Kirk was a sort of "ambassador" to the left... and he was murdered because of it. What happens when an ambassador is killed? That's a casus belli and has been since Ghengis Khan, at the very least.

I don’t appreciate the broad generalization happening here. First off, this person probably worked alone, 75 million people and or anyone official is involved here. I have no control over what others say or do. And I think “lots” is an exaggeration. The celebrators are a minority amongst a large group of people.

It's been less than 24 hours since he was killed, and I've already seen coworkers, people just out in public - and certainly a lot of people on this very board, openly cheering that he was killed.

I think you're wrong in thinking that this is a 'small' segment of people on the left. I wasn't even looking, and saw dozens of examples of it, less than a day after he was killed.

I didn't agree with much of anything Charlie Kirk said. But first and foremost, he was a human being, with a wife and two young kids that will now grow up without a father. I'm deeply disappointed and kind of shocked by my own political party at the moment. There's some sickening stuff being said on reddit/bluesky/twitter, and it's not even been a day.

I am not seeing anyone at all cheering. I am seeing people respond to his death in the exact same way he responded to other deaths. I am seeing people quote him word for word and then being told they are sick for making such comments.

Nice that the NFL made it clear that a pro gun influencer was more important than 9/11 victims, victims in Annapolis, or child victims of gun violence.

I’ll keep my money to myself, thanks, NFL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

This was really irresponsible reporting. I am a fan of WSJ, but they put this on their front page. Egregious and now conspiracy theorists will never believe anything else.

shameful. have they retracted it?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:At some point today it will become permissible to post negative statements about Kirk. I am not sure what time exactly the embargo will be lifted, but try to be patient for a few hours.

You have a heavy hand on censorship. It not only includes criticism of Kirk, but also of Trump.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

This was really irresponsible reporting. I am a fan of WSJ, but they put this on their front page. Egregious and now conspiracy theorists will never believe anything else.

I don’t think particularly highly of the WSJ, but I’m genuinely shocked that no one there has even a basic working knowledge of what firearm ammunition looks like.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

This illustrates just how desperately the right wing is trying to create a specific narrative here. Anyone who knows anything about guns, which presumably includes the ATF agent who wrote the report, knows about headstamps on ammunition. No agent would draw any conclusion from those markings and I’m confident the report didn’t contain any such conclusion. Which means Crowder either doesn’t know ANYTHING about guns or he’s willfully distorting the contents of the report.

Are trans and antifa even things that go together? I mean maybe they do, but Google is flooded with the CK story when searching it so it's tough to tell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

This was really irresponsible reporting. I am a fan of WSJ, but they put this on their front page. Egregious and now conspiracy theorists will never believe anything else.

And they still haven’t retracted the story they just added some vague doubt…

“Early Bulletin Said Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology; Some Sources Urge Caution”

“Urge caution”??? WTF
No, more like there was no such thing at all and there are a lot of ignorant and hateful people stoking the flames of rage in this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

This was really irresponsible reporting. I am a fan of WSJ, but they put this on their front page. Egregious and now conspiracy theorists will never believe anything else.

And they still haven’t retracted the story they just added some vague doubt…

“Early Bulletin Said Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology; Some Sources Urge Caution”

“Urge caution”??? WTF
No, more like there was no such thing at all and there are a lot of ignorant and hateful people stoking the flames of rage in this country.

Outrageous. If you are a subscriber, please write to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

This illustrates just how desperately the right wing is trying to create a specific narrative here. Anyone who knows anything about guns, which presumably includes the ATF agent who wrote the report, knows about headstamps on ammunition. No agent would draw any conclusion from those markings and I’m confident the report didn’t contain any such conclusion. Which means Crowder either doesn’t know ANYTHING about guns or he’s willfully distorting the contents of the report.

Are trans and antifa even things that go together? I mean maybe they do, but Google is flooded with the CK story when searching it so it's tough to tell.

They go together to the extent that MAGA hates them both so why not, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

This illustrates just how desperately the right wing is trying to create a specific narrative here. Anyone who knows anything about guns, which presumably includes the ATF agent who wrote the report, knows about headstamps on ammunition. No agent would draw any conclusion from those markings and I’m confident the report didn’t contain any such conclusion. Which means Crowder either doesn’t know ANYTHING about guns or he’s willfully distorting the contents of the report.

Are trans and antifa even things that go together? I mean maybe they do, but Google is flooded with the CK story when searching it so it's tough to tell.

I have no idea. My point is that anyone who knows even a little bit about gun would know that a line in a report saying something like “casing recovered had small arrow marking” is meaningless. That arrow is a manufacturer’s mark. It would be like if the police recovered a Green Bay Packer’s jacket left behind by the shooter and a commentator concluded the shooter must have worked in a meatpacking plant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

This illustrates just how desperately the right wing is trying to create a specific narrative here. Anyone who knows anything about guns, which presumably includes the ATF agent who wrote the report, knows about headstamps on ammunition. No agent would draw any conclusion from those markings and I’m confident the report didn’t contain any such conclusion. Which means Crowder either doesn’t know ANYTHING about guns or he’s willfully distorting the contents of the report.

Are trans and antifa even things that go together? I mean maybe they do, but Google is flooded with the CK story when searching it so it's tough to tell.

They go together to the extent that MAGA hates them both so why not, right?

Which means that even if the story was true (and it's clearly not), it'd point to a clumsy false flag (which it still may be from a law enforcement POV).

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:At some point today it will become permissible to post negative statements about Kirk. I am not sure what time exactly the embargo will be lifted, but try to be patient for a few hours.

You have a heavy hand on censorship. It not only includes criticism of Kirk, but also of Trump.

Moderation, not censorship. Moderation means that you have to follow the guidelines. Censorship prevents you from saying something altogether. No one will argue that there are not sufficient threads on this website in which you can criticize Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

This was really irresponsible reporting. I am a fan of WSJ, but they put this on their front page. Egregious and now conspiracy theorists will never believe anything else.

And they still haven’t retracted the story they just added some vague doubt…

“Early Bulletin Said Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology; Some Sources Urge Caution”

“Urge caution”??? WTF
No, more like there was no such thing at all and there are a lot of ignorant and hateful people stoking the flames of rage in this country.

Question that comes to mind: who at the WSJ is named in the Epstein files?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

This was really irresponsible reporting. I am a fan of WSJ, but they put this on their front page. Egregious and now conspiracy theorists will never believe anything else.

shameful. have they retracted it?

Why would they? They did it for a reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo.

Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

This was really irresponsible reporting. I am a fan of WSJ, but they put this on their front page. Egregious and now conspiracy theorists will never believe anything else.

I don’t think particularly highly of the WSJ, but I’m genuinely shocked that no one there has even a basic working knowledge of what firearm ammunition looks like.

Not particularly shocked about the WSJ getting it wrong, but I am surprised that none of the right wing social media provocateurs knew that the TRN on the casings was just a brand marker.

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people who say that no one knew this guy and that their well-informed kids didn't know him... sorry, but your kids are not well-informed.

I am 50-year-old mom and I get that, if you don't ever look at social media you may not have heard of him, but if you have teens you absolutely should have.

Charlie Kirk was uber famous. There are memes about the memes about him.

I am looking forward to when the 48-hours expire and we can discuss some of his views here. I wholeheartedly respect DCUM's rules and I condemn in the strongest possible terms what happened to Charlie Kirk. No one asks or deserves to me murdered. Political violence is horrible for all of us. But Charlie Kirk was a very famous public figure and there is no contradiction between denouncing the assassination and critiquing his views.

I’ve never heard of him nor have my tweens. We aren’t big into SM though. Is Kirk kinda like Mr. Beast? I have heard of Mr. Beast? Is that his name? He had his own brand of lunchables.