The White Lotus season 2

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Agreed, but I don't think many people here are arguing that Harper is perfect or had no flaws. It's that some people are pointing out that she's not a total villain with no redeeming qualities and that (1) she might actually love her husband, and (2) she might have some positive qualities that make him love her. And there is one person on here who has decided that we're all idiots who are obsessed with Aubrey Plaza because obviously Harper is a vicious and manipulative harpy.

That is true though. Plaza is the most famous character, especially to all the millennials obsessed with White Lotus. Young people are captivated by her and think she's so witty and funny and totally them, so you don't want to acknowledge even the possibility that she's just as much of a ruthless striver, manipulator and conniver as everyone else on the show. To me, the only pure leading character was Bert.

No, it's not true. People are pointing out that Harper was flawed and complicated, like all the white lotus characters, but not a one-dimensional villain. Meanwhile you keep insisting she is in fact a total villain running a years-long scam aimed at getting Ethan's money when every indication is that, despite her flaws, she married Ethan as an equal partner and just wanted a normal UMC life with a loving husband and some kids and a job.

Years-long scam? I wouldn't necessarily go that far. Unsure about how many years but it's clear Harper's quite cunning and manipulative. And there is some urgency involved in her scheming because he just cashed out, their marriage is sexless, he's not sexually attracted to her even in the most romantic setting, and she's on the wrong side of 30, which means tick-tock on her own beauty and fertility. There's a very long thread in the relationship forum about selfish men who steal a partner's fertility. This is a very real and very valid concern among women Harper's age. What are her prospects if they divorce? She gets a chunk of money, okay. Is her next husband a high status Yale tech titan? No. He's one in a million, she's a dime a dozen late 30s lawyer. How long does it take her to find a new husband? This would all fuel a survival instinct in her to do any and all things necessary to lure him back into her web. Attorneys, like actresses, are professional liars paid to manipulate an audience. Harper's a seasoned pro and she played her husband like a fiddle.

The funniest part of this is that you keep trying to tell a message board full of lawyers that you know Harper was manipulating Ethan because she is - wait for it - a lawyer. CASE CLOSED

By "message board full of lawyers" you mean paralegals, de facto unemployed doc review proles, and bottom of their class law students who became wfh gs-nobodies, who are so secure in their life they seize on a forum typo and can post about an HBO soap opera all work day? Yeah, super prestigious high-powered lawyers. We are all very impressed.

No, this message board has lots of actual lawyers. Lawyers watch tv shows and procrastinate and waste time at work too. Sorry if that upsets you.

Upset? We are all in awe and so impressed by brilliant legal minds who have the idle time to come to the defense of some lawyer whore on TV who likely exposed her pushover husband to insurable HSV-2 herpes (and all sorts of other fun incurable disease) after a tryst with his disgusting college roommate. But she's so sarcastic and snarky, what's not to like!

"Lawyer whore"? Omg. You are so deeply unhinged

Also, if Ethan slept with Daphne (which he did) he was already choosing to expose himself to any disease Cameron has.

That happened after, if at all. There is zero doubt Harper flirted with and then boned Cameron (to torment her husband).

There actually is doubt as to whether Harper had penetrative sex with Cameron. We were not given a clear answer on that either way. Whereas we were given a much clearer indication that Ethan had sex with Daphne.

I don't think in either of these examples it was at all clear what happened--that was the point. People project their own beliefs, insecurities, etc. onto these situations. Hence the frothing-at-the-mouth Harper-hating incel troll.

I'm happily married and have never cheated on my husband. And I don't defend or rationalize immoral sleazy television characters who do. When you do come to the spirited defense of such distasteful (but sardonic and witty!) characters, I think we all know why.

Because life is not black and white? If you think it is, White Lotus is not the show for you.

Cheating on your spouse is very black and white. As is potentially spreading incurable sexually transmitted disease(s) to your husband after having raw sex with his disgusting college friend.

You people who think everyone is crawling with STIs are hilarious. And yes, there are shades of gray to adultery. Who taught you about this, Mr. Rogers?

HSV-2 herpes, hepatitis B, and HPV have no cure and are very common, especially among rich men who peruse prostitutes. Harper knew fake friend Cameron was sleeping with one if not two Italian prostitutes just 24 to 36 hours earlier. But it's okay she slept with her husband's dirty d*ck bully because Harper is a progressive icon with sharp one-liners and is from a humble diverse background. Or something.

Mike White confirmed they didn't sleep together so you can pump the brakes now.

If true, you have a cite? Even if true, it’s only because they were interrupted before penetration by Ethan. They went upstairs while day drunk for made up reasons to have a quickie. That is not in dispute. These are grown adults, one a sex addicted psychopath, the other an vengeful and scorned wife. They aren’t primary schoolers sneaking away for a kiss under the oak tree. She knew what Cam was about.

He said he doesn’t think they did bit doesn’t know for sure. Ie. He hasn’t put that much thought into it.

Attempted murder v murder. I didn’t actually successful kill the guy, so we’re good, right? Water under the bridge.

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Ugh. The second season was such a letdown after the first one! If you take out the spooky sound track, it's just a bunch of people barely saying anything. Not a fan!

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Does Daphne work?

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Nope.

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Hahaha no.

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Anonymous wrote:The most unrealistic thing on the show was how often Daphne was laying out in the direct sunlight without a hat.

No late-30s freckled blonde who cares about their skin is doing that.

Yup. Especially with so many umbrellas to be had and lovely beach assistants who could help with them.

I've been looking at Daphne's sun-damaged chest the whole season. It's pretty bad for late 30's. I hope it's makeup for the show, because the actress is only 32! So maybe being a freckled blonde and laying out in the sun is realistic.

Imagine the delusion of feeling superior to Meghann Fahy

I don't get it. She's nice looking, but not drop-dead. I live in NYC and see women just as pretty if not prettier every day. People see blonde hair (even dyed) and lose their damn minds.

NP. Kind of a digression but I was thinking about this thread when she led Ethan to the island - she's pretty and blonde so there were SO MANY POSTERS who couldn't imagine her being anything but wonderful - she's the happiest character (??), she comes from rich parents (?!?), she has the power in her marriage (????), she is obviously too traditional a wife and mother to cheat; based on this pretzel logic the trainer thing was CLEARLY a metaphor for loving on your kids (??????????). All based on nothing but she was blonde, pretty, and smiley. It's like the Tina Fey bit works on women too, just instead of wanting to f*ck these women they want to install a pedestal and hoist them up.

I thought most people see Daphne as a washed up phony sorority girl? Classic smug elitist late 30s passive aggressive mean girl cool mom. Did a lot of cocaine in college, was very promiscuous, sunk her claws into a rich high status guy and popped out babies.

That's certainly how Harper saw her. And how I saw her. But she is pretty too. So there's that.

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Anonymous wrote:The Harper hater has a personality disorder. We should all probably move on.

Totally! Very crazy!

I think they actually have a personal vendetta against Aubrey Plaza since they keep bringing her into it.

It seems so-- crazy/intense!

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So was it a set up from the beginning with Greg being in the hotel room next to Tanya in Season 1 and pretending he was confused about his room?

Or did they decide to bring Jenifer Coolidge back and then write her off.

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Anonymous wrote:The most unrealistic thing on the show was how often Daphne was laying out in the direct sunlight without a hat.

No late-30s freckled blonde who cares about their skin is doing that.

Yup. Especially with so many umbrellas to be had and lovely beach assistants who could help with them.

I've been looking at Daphne's sun-damaged chest the whole season. It's pretty bad for late 30's. I hope it's makeup for the show, because the actress is only 32! So maybe being a freckled blonde and laying out in the sun is realistic.

Imagine the delusion of feeling superior to Meghann Fahy

I don't get it. She's nice looking, but not drop-dead. I live in NYC and see women just as pretty if not prettier every day. People see blonde hair (even dyed) and lose their damn minds.

NP. Kind of a digression but I was thinking about this thread when she led Ethan to the island - she's pretty and blonde so there were SO MANY POSTERS who couldn't imagine her being anything but wonderful - she's the happiest character (??), she comes from rich parents (?!?), she has the power in her marriage (????), she is obviously too traditional a wife and mother to cheat; based on this pretzel logic the trainer thing was CLEARLY a metaphor for loving on your kids (??????????). All based on nothing but she was blonde, pretty, and smiley. It's like the Tina Fey bit works on women too, just instead of wanting to f*ck these women they want to install a pedestal and hoist them up.

Your post proves that you barely understood anything people were saying about her and that you want to see the world in really binary terms.

I do not see how you come out of this final episode not seeing that she has the power in the marriage though. That scene with Cam and the toothbrush said it all. She called, and she would not stop until he came. He has to do what she says. And she does what she wants. Name one single time in the entire series where she did something FOR him.

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Anonymous wrote:The most unrealistic thing on the show was how often Daphne was laying out in the direct sunlight without a hat.

No late-30s freckled blonde who cares about their skin is doing that.

Yup. Especially with so many umbrellas to be had and lovely beach assistants who could help with them.

I've been looking at Daphne's sun-damaged chest the whole season. It's pretty bad for late 30's. I hope it's makeup for the show, because the actress is only 32! So maybe being a freckled blonde and laying out in the sun is realistic.

Imagine the delusion of feeling superior to Meghann Fahy

I don't get it. She's nice looking, but not drop-dead. I live in NYC and see women just as pretty if not prettier every day. People see blonde hair (even dyed) and lose their damn minds.

NP. Kind of a digression but I was thinking about this thread when she led Ethan to the island - she's pretty and blonde so there were SO MANY POSTERS who couldn't imagine her being anything but wonderful - she's the happiest character (??), she comes from rich parents (?!?), she has the power in her marriage (????), she is obviously too traditional a wife and mother to cheat; based on this pretzel logic the trainer thing was CLEARLY a metaphor for loving on your kids (??????????). All based on nothing but she was blonde, pretty, and smiley. It's like the Tina Fey bit works on women too, just instead of wanting to f*ck these women they want to install a pedestal and hoist them up.

I thought most people see Daphne as a washed up phony sorority girl? Classic smug elitist late 30s passive aggressive mean girl cool mom. Did a lot of cocaine in college, was very promiscuous, sunk her claws into a rich high status guy and popped out babies.

That's certainly how Harper saw her. And how I saw her. But she is pretty too. So there's that.

I don't think it was quite that simple. Definitely a sorority girl, probably on the cocaine, but I didn't get mean-girl vibes or smug elitist. She had a genuine warmth which is what made her character compelling. Note: I am not part of the Daphne Defender brigade (I strongly identify as a Harper) and I think she turned out to be almost as villainous as Cameron. But she had nuance, like all the other characters.

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Anonymous wrote:The most unrealistic thing on the show was how often Daphne was laying out in the direct sunlight without a hat.

No late-30s freckled blonde who cares about their skin is doing that.

Yup. Especially with so many umbrellas to be had and lovely beach assistants who could help with them.

I've been looking at Daphne's sun-damaged chest the whole season. It's pretty bad for late 30's. I hope it's makeup for the show, because the actress is only 32! So maybe being a freckled blonde and laying out in the sun is realistic.

Imagine the delusion of feeling superior to Meghann Fahy

I don't get it. She's nice looking, but not drop-dead. I live in NYC and see women just as pretty if not prettier every day. People see blonde hair (even dyed) and lose their damn minds.

NP. Kind of a digression but I was thinking about this thread when she led Ethan to the island - she's pretty and blonde so there were SO MANY POSTERS who couldn't imagine her being anything but wonderful - she's the happiest character (??), she comes from rich parents (?!?), she has the power in her marriage (????), she is obviously too traditional a wife and mother to cheat; based on this pretzel logic the trainer thing was CLEARLY a metaphor for loving on your kids (??????????). All based on nothing but she was blonde, pretty, and smiley. It's like the Tina Fey bit works on women too, just instead of wanting to f*ck these women they want to install a pedestal and hoist them up.

Your post proves that you barely understood anything people were saying about her and that you want to see the world in really binary terms.

I do not see how you come out of this final episode not seeing that she has the power in the marriage though. That scene with Cam and the toothbrush said it all. She called, and she would not stop until he came. He has to do what she says. And she does what she wants. Name one single time in the entire series where she did something FOR him.

LOL people literally invented that she had rich parents and investment properties out of thin air and you think that means I think in binary terms? She begs him to talk to the kids and eventually he says hi so she's running the show. Sure, Jan. A hit dog will holler.

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Anonymous wrote:The most unrealistic thing on the show was how often Daphne was laying out in the direct sunlight without a hat.

No late-30s freckled blonde who cares about their skin is doing that.

Yup. Especially with so many umbrellas to be had and lovely beach assistants who could help with them.

I've been looking at Daphne's sun-damaged chest the whole season. It's pretty bad for late 30's. I hope it's makeup for the show, because the actress is only 32! So maybe being a freckled blonde and laying out in the sun is realistic.

Imagine the delusion of feeling superior to Meghann Fahy

I don't get it. She's nice looking, but not drop-dead. I live in NYC and see women just as pretty if not prettier every day. People see blonde hair (even dyed) and lose their damn minds.

NP. Kind of a digression but I was thinking about this thread when she led Ethan to the island - she's pretty and blonde so there were SO MANY POSTERS who couldn't imagine her being anything but wonderful - she's the happiest character (??), she comes from rich parents (?!?), she has the power in her marriage (????), she is obviously too traditional a wife and mother to cheat; based on this pretzel logic the trainer thing was CLEARLY a metaphor for loving on your kids (??????????). All based on nothing but she was blonde, pretty, and smiley. It's like the Tina Fey bit works on women too, just instead of wanting to f*ck these women they want to install a pedestal and hoist them up.

Your post proves that you barely understood anything people were saying about her and that you want to see the world in really binary terms.

I do not see how you come out of this final episode not seeing that she has the power in the marriage though. That scene with Cam and the toothbrush said it all. She called, and she would not stop until he came. He has to do what she says. And she does what she wants. Name one single time in the entire series where she did something FOR him.

LOL people literally invented that she had rich parents and investment properties out of thin air and you think that means I think in binary terms? She begs him to talk to the kids and eventually he says hi so she's running the show. Sure, Jan. A hit dog will holler.

I think that there was ONE poster spinning elaborate fantasies about the investor parents and a lot of others talking about her complexities and the fact that all you took from all that conversation was this over simplified summation makes me think you are either intentionally misrepresenting the conversation or you are not a deep thinker

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Anonymous wrote:The most unrealistic thing on the show was how often Daphne was laying out in the direct sunlight without a hat.

No late-30s freckled blonde who cares about their skin is doing that.

Yup. Especially with so many umbrellas to be had and lovely beach assistants who could help with them.

I've been looking at Daphne's sun-damaged chest the whole season. It's pretty bad for late 30's. I hope it's makeup for the show, because the actress is only 32! So maybe being a freckled blonde and laying out in the sun is realistic.

Imagine the delusion of feeling superior to Meghann Fahy

I don't get it. She's nice looking, but not drop-dead. I live in NYC and see women just as pretty if not prettier every day. People see blonde hair (even dyed) and lose their damn minds.

NP. Kind of a digression but I was thinking about this thread when she led Ethan to the island - she's pretty and blonde so there were SO MANY POSTERS who couldn't imagine her being anything but wonderful - she's the happiest character (??), she comes from rich parents (?!?), she has the power in her marriage (????), she is obviously too traditional a wife and mother to cheat; based on this pretzel logic the trainer thing was CLEARLY a metaphor for loving on your kids (??????????). All based on nothing but she was blonde, pretty, and smiley. It's like the Tina Fey bit works on women too, just instead of wanting to f*ck these women they want to install a pedestal and hoist them up.

You forgot to mention that she owns investment properties.

LOL.

DP, but I agree with PP. There were a lot, or at least a couple, of people in this thread that really invested a lot of thought into Daphne and her backstory with no basis whatsoever.

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Agreed, but I don't think many people here are arguing that Harper is perfect or had no flaws. It's that some people are pointing out that she's not a total villain with no redeeming qualities and that (1) she might actually love her husband, and (2) she might have some positive qualities that make him love her. And there is one person on here who has decided that we're all idiots who are obsessed with Aubrey Plaza because obviously Harper is a vicious and manipulative harpy.

That is true though. Plaza is the most famous character, especially to all the millennials obsessed with White Lotus. Young people are captivated by her and think she's so witty and funny and totally them, so you don't want to acknowledge even the possibility that she's just as much of a ruthless striver, manipulator and conniver as everyone else on the show. To me, the only pure leading character was Bert.

No, it's not true. People are pointing out that Harper was flawed and complicated, like all the white lotus characters, but not a one-dimensional villain. Meanwhile you keep insisting she is in fact a total villain running a years-long scam aimed at getting Ethan's money when every indication is that, despite her flaws, she married Ethan as an equal partner and just wanted a normal UMC life with a loving husband and some kids and a job.

Years-long scam? I wouldn't necessarily go that far. Unsure about how many years but it's clear Harper's quite cunning and manipulative. And there is some urgency involved in her scheming because he just cashed out, their marriage is sexless, he's not sexually attracted to her even in the most romantic setting, and she's on the wrong side of 30, which means tick-tock on her own beauty and fertility. There's a very long thread in the relationship forum about selfish men who steal a partner's fertility. This is a very real and very valid concern among women Harper's age. What are her prospects if they divorce? She gets a chunk of money, okay. Is her next husband a high status Yale tech titan? No. He's one in a million, she's a dime a dozen late 30s lawyer. How long does it take her to find a new husband? This would all fuel a survival instinct in her to do any and all things necessary to lure him back into her web. Attorneys, like actresses, are professional liars paid to manipulate an audience. Harper's a seasoned pro and she played her husband like a fiddle.

The funniest part of this is that you keep trying to tell a message board full of lawyers that you know Harper was manipulating Ethan because she is - wait for it - a lawyer. CASE CLOSED

By "message board full of lawyers" you mean paralegals, de facto unemployed doc review proles, and bottom of their class law students who became wfh gs-nobodies, who are so secure in their life they seize on a forum typo and can post about an HBO soap opera all work day? Yeah, super prestigious high-powered lawyers. We are all very impressed.

No, this message board has lots of actual lawyers. Lawyers watch tv shows and procrastinate and waste time at work too. Sorry if that upsets you.

Upset? We are all in awe and so impressed by brilliant legal minds who have the idle time to come to the defense of some lawyer whore on TV who likely exposed her pushover husband to insurable HSV-2 herpes (and all sorts of other fun incurable disease) after a tryst with his disgusting college roommate. But she's so sarcastic and snarky, what's not to like!

"Lawyer whore"? Omg. You are so deeply unhinged

Also, if Ethan slept with Daphne (which he did) he was already choosing to expose himself to any disease Cameron has.

That happened after, if at all. There is zero doubt Harper flirted with and then boned Cameron (to torment her husband).

There actually is doubt as to whether Harper had penetrative sex with Cameron. We were not given a clear answer on that either way. Whereas we were given a much clearer indication that Ethan had sex with Daphne.

I don't think in either of these examples it was at all clear what happened--that was the point. People project their own beliefs, insecurities, etc. onto these situations. Hence the frothing-at-the-mouth Harper-hating incel troll.

I'm happily married and have never cheated on my husband. And I don't defend or rationalize immoral sleazy television characters who do. When you do come to the spirited defense of such distasteful (but sardonic and witty!) characters, I think we all know why.

Because life is not black and white? If you think it is, White Lotus is not the show for you.

Cheating on your spouse is very black and white. As is potentially spreading incurable sexually transmitted disease(s) to your husband after having raw sex with his disgusting college friend.

You people who think everyone is crawling with STIs are hilarious. And yes, there are shades of gray to adultery. Who taught you about this, Mr. Rogers?

HSV-2 herpes, hepatitis B, and HPV have no cure and are very common, especially among rich men who peruse prostitutes. Harper knew fake friend Cameron was sleeping with one if not two Italian prostitutes just 24 to 36 hours earlier. But it's okay she slept with her husband's dirty d*ck bully because Harper is a progressive icon with sharp one-liners and is from a humble diverse background. Or something.

Mike White confirmed they didn't sleep together so you can pump the brakes now.

Where? Did he say if Daphne/Ethan did?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think next season, the connective tissues with be Daphne/Cam in the Maldives?

Since Daphne is the person who found Tanya in the water, I could see her taking a proprietary interest in Tanya’s story and following the investigation of her death and the settlement of her estate through the news. I could see her telling a fellow guest “You know that dead socialite Tanya McQuaid? Dateline did a story about her? I actually found her during our last trip to a White Lotus. It’s so sad that her husband hired the mafia to kill her…” thus giving the audience the 411 on what happens to Greg that way.

Greg isn’t a charismatic enough actor to waste time on next season.

This sounds reasonable. I hope it's the case.

And I hope the next show is set in....Mexico.

It's confirmed it will be Asia.

Which is where the Maldives are.

Sounds similar to Hawaii then. Unless they make it about the India angle more