Whistleblower: secret ICE memo tells agents they can invade homes without a warrant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only a few people have the memo, they only verbally tell ICE agents about it, and it is in direct violation of DHS policies and the 4th Amendment

They are ChiCom Big Government criminals.

The question now is, what can anyone do about it? Typically pushing for unconstitutional acts would lead to leadership being fired but that isn’t going to happen so now what? Call congress? The Supreme Court?

This is what your second amendment rights are for. If all other right fall away, our constitution gives you the right to fight and defend yourself. That's where we are at. There's no guarantee that right will be honored and no guarantee you will survive. But all we have left is to fight or comply.

I’m actually curious how this would play out in a court. Let’s say a door gets kicked down these guys come rushing in, the homeowner has an A.R. 15 and defends himself or herself and kills the agents. The agents have no warrant, and the homeowner ends up being a person in the country legally.

Is the government going to try to then say the people no longer have the right to defend their homes?

Assuming they don’t mow him down, I am certain they would call him a domestic terrorist and try to charge him with murder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only a few people have the memo, they only verbally tell ICE agents about it, and it is in direct violation of DHS policies and the 4th Amendment

They are ChiCom Big Government criminals.

The question now is, what can anyone do about it? Typically pushing for unconstitutional acts would lead to leadership being fired but that isn’t going to happen so now what? Call congress? The Supreme Court?

This is what your second amendment rights are for. If all other right fall away, our constitution gives you the right to fight and defend yourself. That's where we are at. There's no guarantee that right will be honored and no guarantee you will survive. But all we have left is to fight or comply.

I’m actually curious how this would play out in a court. Let’s say a door gets kicked down these guys come rushing in, the homeowner has an A.R. 15 and defends himself or herself and kills the agents. The agents have no warrant, and the homeowner ends up being a person in the country legally.

Is the government going to try to then say the people no longer have the right to defend their homes?

Assuming they don’t mow him down, I am certain they would call him a domestic terrorist and try to charge him with murder.

So the second and fourth amendments are dead.

[Anonymous]

if Dems ever gain control of Congress, they better systematically impeach wide swaths of appointees, and criminally charge others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:if Dems ever gain control of Congress, they better systematically impeach wide swaths of appointees, and criminally charge others.

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it would be up to attorney generals and a department of justice, not "democrats"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s fine. Crossing the border is a crime, and police has the right to enter a home if a crime is committed. What is so controversial about that?

A warrant determines probable cause you silly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s fine. Crossing the border is a crime, and police has the right to enter a home if a crime is committed. What is so controversial about that?

You think police can just go into your home if they think you committed a crime? What country do you live in?

[Anonymous]

Maybe there will be fewer murders and school shooting once they start invading people’s homes and want to do it safely and without getting shot at. If they kill the second amendment it might be the one decent thing that they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe there will be fewer murders and school shooting once they start invading people’s homes and want to do it safely and without getting shot at. If they kill the second amendment it might be the one decent thing that they do.

Part of me thinks they are trying to get an agent shot so they can justify even more violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s fine. Crossing the border is a crime, and police has the right to enter a home if a crime is committed. What is so controversial about that?

Then what do you say about the people who presented themselves at the border and didn't cross illegally? What do you say about the green card holders who are here legally?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s fine. Crossing the border is a crime, and police has the right to enter a home if a crime is committed. What is so controversial about that?

I guarantee at some point in your life you have broken a law. I'll be sending over masked thugs to pull you out of your home in your underwear, beat you and spray mace in your face, and then drop you off at a Walmart a few hours later. Then you'll learn your lesson, you miscreant.

People like you are repulsive. Repulsive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s fine. Crossing the border is a crime, and police has the right to enter a home if a crime is committed. What is so controversial about that?

Then what do you say about the people who presented themselves at the border and didn't cross illegally? What do you say about the green card holders who are here legally?

Many of the homes ICE is breaking into are those of citizens. Citizens.

ICE has made themselves completely illegitimate. ALL of these masked thugs belong in jail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe there will be fewer murders and school shooting once they start invading people’s homes and want to do it safely and without getting shot at. If they kill the second amendment it might be the one decent thing that they do.

What the F is actually wrong with you? Do you want to live in an authoritarian country? We have freedoms enumerated by our constitution and those rights are what protect us from government overreach. Giving them the kind of power you're stupidly talking about ceding is exactly how that power gets turned against innocent but marginalized people. You are the German citizens that paved the way for the Nazis and their genocide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only a few people have the memo, they only verbally tell ICE agents about it, and it is in direct violation of DHS policies and the 4th Amendment

They are ChiCom Big Government criminals.

The question now is, what can anyone do about it? Typically pushing for unconstitutional acts would lead to leadership being fired but that isn’t going to happen so now what? Call congress? The Supreme Court?

This is what your second amendment rights are for. If all other right fall away, our constitution gives you the right to fight and defend yourself. That's where we are at. There's no guarantee that right will be honored and no guarantee you will survive. But all we have left is to fight or comply.

I’m actually curious how this would play out in a court. Let’s say a door gets kicked down these guys come rushing in, the homeowner has an A.R. 15 and defends himself or herself and kills the agents. The agents have no warrant, and the homeowner ends up being a person in the country legally.

Is the government going to try to then say the people no longer have the right to defend their homes?

Yes. The law is a piece of paper. A gentleman's agreement because we all agree that what's on the paper matters. This administration is all but saying they don't give a F what the paper says. Might makes right are the rules again. They can and will do whatever they want unless and until someone stops them. Everyone in this country and abroad who value democracy, freedom, and human rights needs to get their mind wrapped around this reality.

And we need more people to get comfortable with the fact that freedom is NEVER free. We've taken it for granted as a given. It's not and never was. Every right you have is because someone else was willing to die to secure it for you. Without the fight for freedom of generations past, the vast majority of us would be peasants, serfs, and slaves. The time quickly approaches where our generation stands up and fights for freedom or rolls over and hands this country over to a mad king, and we watch as the weak and innocent suffer and die.

All those liberal American values you claim? Now is the time to put your money where your mouth is. Will you stand up for your values or will you stay quiet to protect your skin at the expense of everyone and everything else that matters?

These are the realities ahead of us. No election will matter to people who do not give two Fs about the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe there will be fewer murders and school shooting once they start invading people’s homes and want to do it safely and without getting shot at. If they kill the second amendment it might be the one decent thing that they do.

What the F is actually wrong with you? Do you want to live in an authoritarian country? We have freedoms enumerated by our constitution and those rights are what protect us from government overreach. Giving them the kind of power you're stupidly talking about ceding is exactly how that power gets turned against innocent but marginalized people. You are the German citizens that paved the way for the Nazis and their genocide.

I don’t think that you read the last line of what I wrote. It’s all terrible, but if they were to finally admit that the second amendment isn’t about tyranny, or government overreach, or whatever BS they’ve had us believing, whatever. We’ve been killing each other for decades in the name of some greater good that clearly does actually exist in real life.

If this isn’t the exact time that people should be thinking about second amendment rights then it’s stupid, anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe there will be fewer murders and school shooting once they start invading people’s homes and want to do it safely and without getting shot at. If they kill the second amendment it might be the one decent thing that they do.

What the F is actually wrong with you? Do you want to live in an authoritarian country? We have freedoms enumerated by our constitution and those rights are what protect us from government overreach. Giving them the kind of power you're stupidly talking about ceding is exactly how that power gets turned against innocent but marginalized people. You are the German citizens that paved the way for the Nazis and their genocide.

I don’t think that you read the last line of what I wrote. It’s all terrible, but if they were to finally admit that the second amendment isn’t about tyranny, or government overreach, or whatever BS they’ve had us believing, whatever. We’ve been killing each other for decades in the name of some greater good that clearly does actually exist in real life.

If this isn’t the exact time that people should be thinking about second amendment rights then it’s stupid, anyway.

I read it. It just doesn't matter. Courts and laws were never what gave us the right to fight or defend ourselves. If this administration challenges that right, WE are the only ones who can defend it. The founders added it for US to understand that this was an inalienable right. It's why they felt justified in their revolution. There was nothing on paper telling them they could fight. They decided. And they put that language in their constitution so that hopefully future generations would understand they too could decide.