Algebra 2 after summer geometry: online or in person?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS math teacher:

The school needs at least 8 students to allot a teacher to the course. Students could not register for algebra 2 when course registrations were due in January, so the counselors only just learned who took/completed summer geometry and need to be removed from the geometry they pre registered for. Counselors restarted this past week so you basically got the most efficient response you could have hoped for.

Other options to get your kid algebra 2 without online class:

Ask if there is an algebra 2 class the last period of the day at the high school (assuming Kilmer runs the same a/b schedule the HSs do.) Your child can skip the last block of the day at the MS (12:45 - 2:15) and make it to the last block at the high school (1:15 - 2:45). You will be responsible for transportation. Be aware that your 8th grader will be in class with 9/10/11th graders)

Ask if there is a NVCC course that covers the requirement. There used to be, but I’m not sure there still is. It will be much lower level than A2H in FCPS though.

Ask for the online campus contact and find out if the evening piece is required or just office hours.

Thank you for this, very helpful. I just spoke to the counselor who said there are "less than 10 kids" who completed it (I guess some of the 14 who registered are expunging it). Apparently last year they had many more kids registering and planned ahead of time to have an in-person teacher. She checked the schedule of nearby schools for me and said it won't work as there is no travel time built into the schedule. Our high school runs half an hour later.

She mentioned a VIrtual Virginia option that I will look into.

And she apologized for lack of communication and said she'd do better next year.

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Anonymous wrote:You can ask for him to take in person at his local high school, but you will be responsible for all transportation there and back. This is the school's way of discouraging the race to no where.

They are providing a viable option for him, and that's where the school's responsibility ends.

I'd be fine with an online class during school hours (is the school responsible for providing a quiet place? a study hall?) but one evening a week is an imposition that interferes with life outside of school.

You didn't think to ask about this before he took Geometry in the summer? We didn't pursue Algebra in 6th grade because we knew the option would be online school or taking it as a first period class at the MS. We didn't like either option so we choose not to pursue Algebra in 6th grade.

Yes, a terrible delusion of expecting schools to to share all this with you ahead of time.

Did you ask the Guidance Counselor how Algebra 2 was taught at Kilmer before enrolling your child in a short Geometry course over the summer? If you asked the Counselor and the Counselor said that Algebra 2 was available, did you ask if it was in person or online? All of that could have been done in an email.

Did you look at the schools math webpage? Kilmer's Math web Page does not list Algebra 2, Carson's does. It took me under 5 minutes to check both web pages.

Did you look at the publicly available SOL site which would tell you how many kids at each school took the SOL in that class? It took me 10 minutes max to look up the SOL numbers.

You are asking to accelerate your child past the already accelerated pace that most schools offer, it behooves you to do some basic research and ask a few questions before you do that.

I applaud your research skills. I suppose I don't expect this to be a scavenger hunt for information that requires a very deep knowledge of the school system. The school could have put this all in a mass email sent to parents of summer geometry enrollees before the class started. Especially the requirement of one evening a week. I don't think it was reasonable to expect the parents to know that ahead of time, especially if you don't know what you don't know.

Do you happen to know how many kids need to be in a class before the school needs to offer an in person option?

The school does not ever need to offer an in-person option because this class is not part of that school's curriculum and they have offered a reasonable alternative. Summer geometry is not offered through your middle school, so why would they offer any information or feedback about it?

Neither is Algebra 2 yet the counselor took it upon herself to register the student with the online campus without advising the student or the parents. That is, if your position is that nothing offered online is any of the base school's business.

I checked and it was taught in person last year at Kilmer.

If there were only 11 kids, how do we know it was taught in person last year?

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Anonymous wrote:You can ask for him to take in person at his local high school, but you will be responsible for all transportation there and back. This is the school's way of discouraging the race to no where.

They are providing a viable option for him, and that's where the school's responsibility ends.

I'd be fine with an online class during school hours (is the school responsible for providing a quiet place? a study hall?) but one evening a week is an imposition that interferes with life outside of school.

You didn't think to ask about this before he took Geometry in the summer? We didn't pursue Algebra in 6th grade because we knew the option would be online school or taking it as a first period class at the MS. We didn't like either option so we choose not to pursue Algebra in 6th grade.

Yes, a terrible delusion of expecting schools to to share all this with you ahead of time.

Did you ask the Guidance Counselor how Algebra 2 was taught at Kilmer before enrolling your child in a short Geometry course over the summer? If you asked the Counselor and the Counselor said that Algebra 2 was available, did you ask if it was in person or online? All of that could have been done in an email.

Did you look at the schools math webpage? Kilmer's Math web Page does not list Algebra 2, Carson's does. It took me under 5 minutes to check both web pages.

Did you look at the publicly available SOL site which would tell you how many kids at each school took the SOL in that class? It took me 10 minutes max to look up the SOL numbers.

You are asking to accelerate your child past the already accelerated pace that most schools offer, it behooves you to do some basic research and ask a few questions before you do that.

I applaud your research skills. I suppose I don't expect this to be a scavenger hunt for information that requires a very deep knowledge of the school system. The school could have put this all in a mass email sent to parents of summer geometry enrollees before the class started. Especially the requirement of one evening a week. I don't think it was reasonable to expect the parents to know that ahead of time, especially if you don't know what you don't know.

Do you happen to know how many kids need to be in a class before the school needs to offer an in person option?

The school does not ever need to offer an in-person option because this class is not part of that school's curriculum and they have offered a reasonable alternative. Summer geometry is not offered through your middle school, so why would they offer any information or feedback about it?

Neither is Algebra 2 yet the counselor took it upon herself to register the student with the online campus without advising the student or the parents. That is, if your position is that nothing offered online is any of the base school's business.

I checked and it was taught in person last year at Kilmer.

If there were only 11 kids, how do we know it was taught in person last year?

From parents of students who took it in person last year. There were 18 students, not 11.

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Anonymous wrote:You can ask for him to take in person at his local high school, but you will be responsible for all transportation there and back. This is the school's way of discouraging the race to no where.

They are providing a viable option for him, and that's where the school's responsibility ends.

I'd be fine with an online class during school hours (is the school responsible for providing a quiet place? a study hall?) but one evening a week is an imposition that interferes with life outside of school.

You didn't think to ask about this before he took Geometry in the summer? We didn't pursue Algebra in 6th grade because we knew the option would be online school or taking it as a first period class at the MS. We didn't like either option so we choose not to pursue Algebra in 6th grade.

Yes, a terrible delusion of expecting schools to to share all this with you ahead of time.

Did you ask the Guidance Counselor how Algebra 2 was taught at Kilmer before enrolling your child in a short Geometry course over the summer? If you asked the Counselor and the Counselor said that Algebra 2 was available, did you ask if it was in person or online? All of that could have been done in an email.

Did you look at the schools math webpage? Kilmer's Math web Page does not list Algebra 2, Carson's does. It took me under 5 minutes to check both web pages.

Did you look at the publicly available SOL site which would tell you how many kids at each school took the SOL in that class? It took me 10 minutes max to look up the SOL numbers.

You are asking to accelerate your child past the already accelerated pace that most schools offer, it behooves you to do some basic research and ask a few questions before you do that.

I applaud your research skills. I suppose I don't expect this to be a scavenger hunt for information that requires a very deep knowledge of the school system. The school could have put this all in a mass email sent to parents of summer geometry enrollees before the class started. Especially the requirement of one evening a week. I don't think it was reasonable to expect the parents to know that ahead of time, especially if you don't know what you don't know.

Do you happen to know how many kids need to be in a class before the school needs to offer an in person option?

The school does not ever need to offer an in-person option because this class is not part of that school's curriculum and they have offered a reasonable alternative. Summer geometry is not offered through your middle school, so why would they offer any information or feedback about it?

Neither is Algebra 2 yet the counselor took it upon herself to register the student with the online campus without advising the student or the parents. That is, if your position is that nothing offered online is any of the base school's business.

I checked and it was taught in person last year at Kilmer.

If there were only 11 kids, how do we know it was taught in person last year?

11 kids took the SOL, kids can take the class and choose not to take the SOL. You only need one verified credit for graduation and that requirement is filled with the Algebra 1 SOL. I think a decent number of kids take the SOL afterward because why not? It doesn't hurt them and they need to be at school anyway. Or someone forgets to fill out the opt out form.

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Anonymous wrote:Your kid should retake geometry this year, and study Algebra 2 during the year and next summer, and then enroll in precalculus in high school.

You asked for trouble, and you got it. If you don't want it, give it back.

Unless your kid is one of about 5 people in the DMV area in 8th grade, I guarantee you that there are several students with far more advanced math knowledge, who are doing fine with Geometry class in 8th grade (because they don't need the school to drag them through the curriculum).

I never said he is a math genius. You don't need to be to take basic geometry. And he doesn't need to be one of these five. He will be fine with any number of options before him.

The course was taught in person last year.

You don't need to be a math genius to take geometry. But 8th grade Algebra 2 is the path to dual enrollment differential equations in 12th. And you don't need to be a math genius for that, but it helps if you don't want a C.

It doesn't matter whether or not it was offered in person last year. It isn't offered this year and was never supposed to have been.

8th grade algebra 2 is the path to dual enrollment differential equations in 11th grade! What's the plan then for the kid who is too busy with extra curriculars to to to one class a week?

You don't need to be a genius to learn geometry, but you don't need to be a genius to do Algebra 2 on you own over a year either, and then take precalculus at the highschool with all the other classes.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid should retake geometry this year, and study Algebra 2 during the year and next summer, and then enroll in precalculus in high school.

You asked for trouble, and you got it. If you don't want it, give it back.

Unless your kid is one of about 5 people in the DMV area in 8th grade, I guarantee you that there are several students with far more advanced math knowledge, who are doing fine with Geometry class in 8th grade (because they don't need the school to drag them through the curriculum).

I never said he is a math genius. You don't need to be to take basic geometry. And he doesn't need to be one of these five. He will be fine with any number of options before him.

The course was taught in person last year.

You don't need to be a math genius to take geometry. But 8th grade Algebra 2 is the path to dual enrollment differential equations in 12th. And you don't need to be a math genius for that, but it helps if you don't want a C.

It doesn't matter whether or not it was offered in person last year. It isn't offered this year and was never supposed to have been.

8th grade algebra 2 is the path to dual enrollment differential equations in 11th grade! What's the plan then for the kid who is too busy with extra curriculars to to to one class a week?

You don't need to be a genius to learn geometry, but you don't need to be a genius to do Algebra 2 on you own over a year either, and then take precalculus at the highschool with all the other classes.

Oh, our HS offers multivariable calc after calc BC, but I guess not all the FCPS schools do.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid should retake geometry this year, and study Algebra 2 during the year and next summer, and then enroll in precalculus in high school.

You asked for trouble, and you got it. If you don't want it, give it back.

Unless your kid is one of about 5 people in the DMV area in 8th grade, I guarantee you that there are several students with far more advanced math knowledge, who are doing fine with Geometry class in 8th grade (because they don't need the school to drag them through the curriculum).

I never said he is a math genius. You don't need to be to take basic geometry. And he doesn't need to be one of these five. He will be fine with any number of options before him.

The course was taught in person last year.

You don't need to be a math genius to take geometry. But 8th grade Algebra 2 is the path to dual enrollment differential equations in 12th. And you don't need to be a math genius for that, but it helps if you don't want a C.

It doesn't matter whether or not it was offered in person last year. It isn't offered this year and was never supposed to have been.

8th grade algebra 2 is the path to dual enrollment differential equations in 11th grade! What's the plan then for the kid who is too busy with extra curriculars to to to one class a week?

You don't need to be a genius to learn geometry, but you don't need to be a genius to do Algebra 2 on you own over a year either, and then take precalculus at the highschool with all the other classes.

I don't think the highschool would be under any obligation let them take precalculus when they wouldn't have had taken an official algebra 2 course through FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS math teacher:

The school needs at least 8 students to allot a teacher to the course. Students could not register for algebra 2 when course registrations were due in January, so the counselors only just learned who took/completed summer geometry and need to be removed from the geometry they pre registered for. Counselors restarted this past week so you basically got the most efficient response you could have hoped for.

Other options to get your kid algebra 2 without online class:

Ask if there is an algebra 2 class the last period of the day at the high school (assuming Kilmer runs the same a/b schedule the HSs do.) Your child can skip the last block of the day at the MS (12:45 - 2:15) and make it to the last block at the high school (1:15 - 2:45). You will be responsible for transportation. Be aware that your 8th grader will be in class with 9/10/11th graders)

Ask if there is a NVCC course that covers the requirement. There used to be, but I’m not sure there still is. It will be much lower level than A2H in FCPS though.

Ask for the online campus contact and find out if the evening piece is required or just office hours.

High schools usually start an hour or so before middle schools for busses, maybe you can find an early morning class

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS math teacher:

The school needs at least 8 students to allot a teacher to the course. Students could not register for algebra 2 when course registrations were due in January, so the counselors only just learned who took/completed summer geometry and need to be removed from the geometry they pre registered for. Counselors restarted this past week so you basically got the most efficient response you could have hoped for.

Other options to get your kid algebra 2 without online class:

Ask if there is an algebra 2 class the last period of the day at the high school (assuming Kilmer runs the same a/b schedule the HSs do.) Your child can skip the last block of the day at the MS (12:45 - 2:15) and make it to the last block at the high school (1:15 - 2:45). You will be responsible for transportation. Be aware that your 8th grader will be in class with 9/10/11th graders)

Ask if there is a NVCC course that covers the requirement. There used to be, but I’m not sure there still is. It will be much lower level than A2H in FCPS though.

Ask for the online campus contact and find out if the evening piece is required or just office hours.

High schools usually start an hour or so before middle schools for busses, maybe you can find an early morning class

Not in FCPS, MS start before HS. My kids HS starts an hour before his HS will.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS math teacher:

The school needs at least 8 students to allot a teacher to the course. Students could not register for algebra 2 when course registrations were due in January, so the counselors only just learned who took/completed summer geometry and need to be removed from the geometry they pre registered for. Counselors restarted this past week so you basically got the most efficient response you could have hoped for.

Other options to get your kid algebra 2 without online class:

Ask if there is an algebra 2 class the last period of the day at the high school (assuming Kilmer runs the same a/b schedule the HSs do.) Your child can skip the last block of the day at the MS (12:45 - 2:15) and make it to the last block at the high school (1:15 - 2:45). You will be responsible for transportation. Be aware that your 8th grader will be in class with 9/10/11th graders)

Ask if there is a NVCC course that covers the requirement. There used to be, but I’m not sure there still is. It will be much lower level than A2H in FCPS though.

Ask for the online campus contact and find out if the evening piece is required or just office hours.

High schools usually start an hour or so before middle schools for busses, maybe you can find an early morning class

Not in FCPS. Better option would be to try to find a HS with a last period Algebra II. The kid should have a good 30 minutes to get from middle to high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid should retake geometry this year, and study Algebra 2 during the year and next summer, and then enroll in precalculus in high school.

You asked for trouble, and you got it. If you don't want it, give it back.

Unless your kid is one of about 5 people in the DMV area in 8th grade, I guarantee you that there are several students with far more advanced math knowledge, who are doing fine with Geometry class in 8th grade (because they don't need the school to drag them through the curriculum).

I never said he is a math genius. You don't need to be to take basic geometry. And he doesn't need to be one of these five. He will be fine with any number of options before him.

The course was taught in person last year.

You don't need to be a math genius to take geometry. But 8th grade Algebra 2 is the path to dual enrollment differential equations in 12th. And you don't need to be a math genius for that, but it helps if you don't want a C.

It doesn't matter whether or not it was offered in person last year. It isn't offered this year and was never supposed to have been.

8th grade algebra 2 is the path to dual enrollment differential equations in 11th grade! What's the plan then for the kid who is too busy with extra curriculars to to to one class a week?

You don't need to be a genius to learn geometry, but you don't need to be a genius to do Algebra 2 on you own over a year either, and then take precalculus at the highschool with all the other classes.

Oh, our HS offers multivariable calc after calc BC, but I guess not all the FCPS schools do.

Differential equations comes after multivariable.

Algebra II in 8th
Precalc in 9th
Calc BC in 10th
Multivariable in 11th
Differential in 12th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS math teacher:

The school needs at least 8 students to allot a teacher to the course. Students could not register for algebra 2 when course registrations were due in January, so the counselors only just learned who took/completed summer geometry and need to be removed from the geometry they pre registered for. Counselors restarted this past week so you basically got the most efficient response you could have hoped for.

Other options to get your kid algebra 2 without online class:

Ask if there is an algebra 2 class the last period of the day at the high school (assuming Kilmer runs the same a/b schedule the HSs do.) Your child can skip the last block of the day at the MS (12:45 - 2:15) and make it to the last block at the high school (1:15 - 2:45). You will be responsible for transportation. Be aware that your 8th grader will be in class with 9/10/11th graders)

Ask if there is a NVCC course that covers the requirement. There used to be, but I’m not sure there still is. It will be much lower level than A2H in FCPS though.

Ask for the online campus contact and find out if the evening piece is required or just office hours.

You have absolutely no way to know this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid should retake geometry this year, and study Algebra 2 during the year and next summer, and then enroll in precalculus in high school.

You asked for trouble, and you got it. If you don't want it, give it back.

Unless your kid is one of about 5 people in the DMV area in 8th grade, I guarantee you that there are several students with far more advanced math knowledge, who are doing fine with Geometry class in 8th grade (because they don't need the school to drag them through the curriculum).

I never said he is a math genius. You don't need to be to take basic geometry. And he doesn't need to be one of these five. He will be fine with any number of options before him.

The course was taught in person last year.

You don't need to be a math genius to take geometry. But 8th grade Algebra 2 is the path to dual enrollment differential equations in 12th. And you don't need to be a math genius for that, but it helps if you don't want a C.

It doesn't matter whether or not it was offered in person last year. It isn't offered this year and was never supposed to have been.

8th grade algebra 2 is the path to dual enrollment differential equations in 11th grade! What's the plan then for the kid who is too busy with extra curriculars to to to one class a week?

You don't need to be a genius to learn geometry, but you don't need to be a genius to do Algebra 2 on you own over a year either, and then take precalculus at the highschool with all the other classes.

Oh, our HS offers multivariable calc after calc BC, but I guess not all the FCPS schools do.

Differential equations comes after multivariable.

Algebra II in 8th
Precalc in 9th
Calc BC in 10th
Multivariable in 11th
Differential in 12th.

Yes, that's what I was saying. It's not dual enrollment until AFTER multivar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid should retake geometry this year, and study Algebra 2 during the year and next summer, and then enroll in precalculus in high school.

You asked for trouble, and you got it. If you don't want it, give it back.

Unless your kid is one of about 5 people in the DMV area in 8th grade, I guarantee you that there are several students with far more advanced math knowledge, who are doing fine with Geometry class in 8th grade (because they don't need the school to drag them through the curriculum).

I never said he is a math genius. You don't need to be to take basic geometry. And he doesn't need to be one of these five. He will be fine with any number of options before him.

The course was taught in person last year.

You don't need to be a math genius to take geometry. But 8th grade Algebra 2 is the path to dual enrollment differential equations in 12th. And you don't need to be a math genius for that, but it helps if you don't want a C.

It doesn't matter whether or not it was offered in person last year. It isn't offered this year and was never supposed to have been.

8th grade algebra 2 is the path to dual enrollment differential equations in 11th grade! What's the plan then for the kid who is too busy with extra curriculars to to to one class a week?

You don't need to be a genius to learn geometry, but you don't need to be a genius to do Algebra 2 on you own over a year either, and then take precalculus at the highschool with all the other classes.

Oh, our HS offers multivariable calc after calc BC, but I guess not all the FCPS schools do.

Differential equations comes after multivariable.

Algebra II in 8th
Precalc in 9th
Calc BC in 10th
Multivariable in 11th
Differential in 12th.

No it doesn't. Calc 2 is the prerequisite for diff eq.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS math teacher:

The school needs at least 8 students to allot a teacher to the course. Students could not register for algebra 2 when course registrations were due in January, so the counselors only just learned who took/completed summer geometry and need to be removed from the geometry they pre registered for. Counselors restarted this past week so you basically got the most efficient response you could have hoped for.

Other options to get your kid algebra 2 without online class:

Ask if there is an algebra 2 class the last period of the day at the high school (assuming Kilmer runs the same a/b schedule the HSs do.) Your child can skip the last block of the day at the MS (12:45 - 2:15) and make it to the last block at the high school (1:15 - 2:45). You will be responsible for transportation. Be aware that your 8th grader will be in class with 9/10/11th graders)

Ask if there is a NVCC course that covers the requirement. There used to be, but I’m not sure there still is. It will be much lower level than A2H in FCPS though.

Ask for the online campus contact and find out if the evening piece is required or just office hours.

Geez, we need more posters like you.
So many people here are treating this parent like a criminal.
They are on the AAP board so they couldn't be against the idea of academic advancement, right?
The parent is not acting entitled or saying her kid is better than your kid, so I don't get it.