ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

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Anonymous wrote:The car was turning right away from the agent. The agent was trying to block the vehicle from leaving. Shooting dead the driver does not help the agent. It made the steering wheel automatically rewind to the left and back to the direction of the agent.

The agent had already made up his mind to shoot the driver when she backed up his car.

Yes, there is no world in which this video exonerates him. She was turning the steering wheel right. The car was pulling out. We've all seen that action thousands of times in our lifetime. There is no point in that video where it makes any sense to start taking headshots.

I am a school teacher who does carpool / bus duty every morning and afternoon.

I’m in as much danger as officer Ross was. Should I carry a piece to shoot parents?

Exactly this. It's hard to believe that a hardened law enforcement official "feared for his life" in that video. Not even MAGA would believe he's that big of a snowflake. He wanted to shoot.

This video does make clear that the shooter was literally very easily triggered. He was angry because the speaker mocked him and called him “big boy”. That’s why he pulled his gun.

So.. her wife got her killed?

Not that, what it does point to is a real question whether his federal role protects him, and if not he can be prosecuted in state court.

Here’s what will happen:
-State will file charges based on grand jury indictment
-DOJ will argue in court for federal preemption, then drop the charges
-State will appeal and eventually he will go on trial, but this will take years
-In the interim, Ross becomes the next Rittenhouse, his family is ostracized, move to a MAGA state. With any luck, a guy like Ross ends up taking his own life because guys like him are so unstable and unhinged.

He’s obviously got a very fragile constitution so this is the best case scenario. If there are any secret underage boyfriends or abused exes out there, now is your time to be a hero.

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Anonymous wrote:Why did the wife tell her to “Drive baby drive”?

The ICE guys were yelling at her to "get out of here".

The were giving her a lawful order to get out of the vehicle. The wife tried to get in the car so they both could leave. The driver sped away leaving her wife on the street because she was trying to hit the ICE agent with her car.

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

So is the moral here that we can kill people who approach us with a snide tone? Trump is snide all the time. Vance is too. In fact, this entire admin is snide. So, it seems logical that snideness is more than acceptable in the US.

And here's the other thing. ICE is not acting like a legitimate law enforcement agency. They are acting like gestapo. Period. And American people, the ones who studied history, are unwilling to just let this gestapo agency haul people off the way the Nazis did. Americans are laying down their lives, putting themselves in danger for others. ICE entered school property in Minneapolis and tear gassed students and teachers. Students and teachers!!! Grown men did this.

My husband and I, who are as anti gun as possible, talked last night about getting a gun. This doesn't end peacefully. Either congress is going to step up and get rid of this entire administration or Americans are going to end up at war with each other. I don't see any other way out of this. I don't want this to be the case, but since it appears we don't really have a functioning congress anymore, I think this ends in civil war.

Then you should beg your Democrat mayors, attorneys general, & governors to cooperate with ICE by handing over illegal aliens who end up in their courts & jails. This is all preventable, but Democrats WANT it to be messy & bloody.

So this was suicide by cop in an effort to become a martyr? That's your position?

yes, dem leadership is sacrificing their own.

Sure Vlad. This mom of 3 had just finished dropping off her 6 yo at school. She wasn’t trying to get killed. She was just trying to get away from a trigger happy fool ICE guy.

No, she was parked horizontal to the curb, and her wife was filming and verbally taunting. You may agree with that behavior, but it's what they were doing.

Yep. That horizontal parking always puts fear of imminent death in me! Combine that with some mean words and boy-howdy! Out comes the shootin' iron, ain't that right ma?

In the video she is not parked, she is backing up first with her wheels turned to the left, then turns the wheels to the right to move out. And her wife told the officers they have their license plate so they can come talk to them later. Sounds completely like the intention was to LEAVE.

It doesn’t look like they plan to leave until the wife starts yelling DRIVE as one officer has hands in/on her car door telling her to get out and the other is walking in front of her car. The wife isn’t even in the car…so no, it isnt apparent they were about to leave until she suddenly starts driving. The officer on the other side looks like he is getting dragged. It wasn’t just the one in front in danger

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

Hey, I'm a doctor, and I get a lot more than that in the ER many days. If someone spits in my face AND belittles and insults me, is it still professional for me to choke them out?

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Nope, but if they do something that you reasonably believe imminently endangers your life, and you have no other option, you’re entitled to defend yourself.

Such as stepping backwards?

Moreover, if a patient has previously been abusive towards you, that obviously impacts a reasonable person’s assessment of what constitutes threatening behavior.

So while her actions prior to moving the car obviously do not independently justify the shooting, they actually are relevant to whether the shooting was justified.

You mean when she tells him, "I'm not mad at you?"

Ross was on some level infuriated by Good’s emotional regulation. Men who have his manifest issues do not like women who don’t cry and say sorry and tremble when he gets dysregulated. Men with no emotional control blame the women in the ambient for their own failures. Stieg Larssonhad this insight because it’s across all classes and ethnic backgrounds and cultures. Jonathan E Ross being a woman-murderer is not surprising at all.

I forget where I read it, but with the trope about women being too emotional to hold office, etc (something some MAGA figure said very recently) I think research indicates that men are FAR more emotional when making decisions, they just don't realize it.

Of course men are emotional. Sadly, they are often conditioned to channel all their emotions into expressions of anger.

Correct. Anger is safe, and somewhat paradoxically, focusing everything into anger makes you feel more powerful, not less -- not like sadness, fear, or anxiety.

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

Hey, I'm a doctor, and I get a lot more than that in the ER many days. If someone spits in my face AND belittles and insults me, is it still professional for me to choke them out?

DP.

Nope, but if they do something that you reasonably believe imminently endangers your life, and you have no other option, you’re entitled to defend yourself.

Such as stepping backwards?

Moreover, if a patient has previously been abusive towards you, that obviously impacts a reasonable person’s assessment of what constitutes threatening behavior.

So while her actions prior to moving the car obviously do not independently justify the shooting, they actually are relevant to whether the shooting was justified.

You mean when she tells him, "I'm not mad at you?"

Ross was on some level infuriated by Good’s emotional regulation. Men who have his manifest issues do not like women who don’t cry and say sorry and tremble when he gets dysregulated. Men with no emotional control blame the women in the ambient for their own failures. Stieg Larssonhad this insight because it’s across all classes and ethnic backgrounds and cultures. Jonathan E Ross being a woman-murderer is not surprising at all.

I forget where I read it, but with the trope about women being too emotional to hold office, etc (something some MAGA figure said very recently) I think research indicates that men are FAR more emotional when making decisions, they just don't realize it.

Anger doesn't count as an emotion. It's the only emotion that fits into the stereotype of "unemotional man" because it's invisible as an emotion to them.

You've heard about how deprssion in men presents often as outwardly directed anger, right?

I prefer it when they despair themselves (and only themselves) to death. Trash taking itself out.

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

So is the moral here that we can kill people who approach us with a snide tone? Trump is snide all the time. Vance is too. In fact, this entire admin is snide. So, it seems logical that snideness is more than acceptable in the US.

And here's the other thing. ICE is not acting like a legitimate law enforcement agency. They are acting like gestapo. Period. And American people, the ones who studied history, are unwilling to just let this gestapo agency haul people off the way the Nazis did. Americans are laying down their lives, putting themselves in danger for others. ICE entered school property in Minneapolis and tear gassed students and teachers. Students and teachers!!! Grown men did this.

My husband and I, who are as anti gun as possible, talked last night about getting a gun. This doesn't end peacefully. Either congress is going to step up and get rid of this entire administration or Americans are going to end up at war with each other. I don't see any other way out of this. I don't want this to be the case, but since it appears we don't really have a functioning congress anymore, I think this ends in civil war.

Then you should beg your Democrat mayors, attorneys general, & governors to cooperate with ICE by handing over illegal aliens who end up in their courts & jails. This is all preventable, but Democrats WANT it to be messy & bloody.

So this was suicide by cop in an effort to become a martyr? That's your position?

yes, dem leadership is sacrificing their own.

Sure Vlad. This mom of 3 had just finished dropping off her 6 yo at school. She wasn’t trying to get killed. She was just trying to get away from a trigger happy fool ICE guy.

No, she was parked horizontal to the curb, and her wife was filming and verbally taunting. You may agree with that behavior, but it's what they were doing.

Yep. That horizontal parking always puts fear of imminent death in me! Combine that with some mean words and boy-howdy! Out comes the shootin' iron, ain't that right ma?

She did not deserve to die, but facts about her activities, position of her car, and her wife standing there with her phone are facts. She wasn't just running errands.

You are suggesting she deserved to die.

Please see Dean Withers breakdown on IG showing her car vis-a-vis his body. He also called her “a effing b” after he shot her point blank.

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

Hey, I'm a doctor, and I get a lot more than that in the ER many days. If someone spits in my face AND belittles and insults me, is it still professional for me to choke them out?

DP.

Nope, but if they do something that you reasonably believe imminently endangers your life, and you have no other option, you’re entitled to defend yourself.

Such as stepping backwards?

Moreover, if a patient has previously been abusive towards you, that obviously impacts a reasonable person’s assessment of what constitutes threatening behavior.

So while her actions prior to moving the car obviously do not independently justify the shooting, they actually are relevant to whether the shooting was justified.

You mean when she tells him, "I'm not mad at you?"

Ross was on some level infuriated by Good’s emotional regulation. Men who have his manifest issues do not like women who don’t cry and say sorry and tremble when he gets dysregulated. Men with no emotional control blame the women in the ambient for their own failures. Stieg Larssonhad this insight because it’s across all classes and ethnic backgrounds and cultures. Jonathan E Ross being a woman-murderer is not surprising at all.

I forget where I read it, but with the trope about women being too emotional to hold office, etc (something some MAGA figure said very recently) I think research indicates that men are FAR more emotional when making decisions, they just don't realize it.

Anger doesn't count as an emotion. It's the only emotion that fits into the stereotype of "unemotional man" because it's invisible as an emotion to them.

You've heard about how deprssion in men presents often as outwardly directed anger, right?

I prefer it when they despair themselves (and only themselves) to death. Trash taking itself out.

Sometimes you express condolences out of an actual sense of loss, and sometimes it is quite perfunctory.

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

So is the moral here that we can kill people who approach us with a snide tone? Trump is snide all the time. Vance is too. In fact, this entire admin is snide. So, it seems logical that snideness is more than acceptable in the US.

And here's the other thing. ICE is not acting like a legitimate law enforcement agency. They are acting like gestapo. Period. And American people, the ones who studied history, are unwilling to just let this gestapo agency haul people off the way the Nazis did. Americans are laying down their lives, putting themselves in danger for others. ICE entered school property in Minneapolis and tear gassed students and teachers. Students and teachers!!! Grown men did this.

My husband and I, who are as anti gun as possible, talked last night about getting a gun. This doesn't end peacefully. Either congress is going to step up and get rid of this entire administration or Americans are going to end up at war with each other. I don't see any other way out of this. I don't want this to be the case, but since it appears we don't really have a functioning congress anymore, I think this ends in civil war.

Then you should beg your Democrat mayors, attorneys general, & governors to cooperate with ICE by handing over illegal aliens who end up in their courts & jails. This is all preventable, but Democrats WANT it to be messy & bloody.

So this was suicide by cop in an effort to become a martyr? That's your position?

yes, dem leadership is sacrificing their own.

Sure Vlad. This mom of 3 had just finished dropping off her 6 yo at school. She wasn’t trying to get killed. She was just trying to get away from a trigger happy fool ICE guy.

No, she was parked horizontal to the curb, and her wife was filming and verbally taunting. You may agree with that behavior, but it's what they were doing.

Yep. That horizontal parking always puts fear of imminent death in me! Combine that with some mean words and boy-howdy! Out comes the shootin' iron, ain't that right ma?

In the video she is not parked, she is backing up first with her wheels turned to the left, then turns the wheels to the right to move out. And her wife told the officers they have their license plate so they can come talk to them later. Sounds completely like the intention was to LEAVE.

It doesn’t look like they plan to leave until the wife starts yelling DRIVE as one officer has hands in/on her car door telling her to get out and the other is walking in front of her car. The wife isn’t even in the car…so no, it isnt apparent they were about to leave until she suddenly starts driving. The officer on the other side looks like he is getting dragged. It wasn’t just the one in front in danger

No one was in any danger except the woman who had guns pointed at her. They were so flustered and incompetent they couldn’t even agree on what she was supposed to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Why did the wife tell her to “Drive baby drive”?

The ICE guys were yelling at her to "get out of here".

The were giving her a lawful order to get out of the vehicle. The wife tried to get in the car so they both could leave. The driver sped away leaving her wife on the street because she was trying to hit the ICE agent with her car.

ICE has no authority in the enforcement of traffic laws, therefore they were NOT giving her a “lawful” order.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this would be going better for the admin if ICE wasn’t regularly doing terrible stuff. Nationally they aren’t respected anymore.

I don't think so...his own phone footage shows her saying to him "I'm not mad at you, dude" with a huge smile. Then he shoots her and as her car veers off because she's been shot in the face 3x (while her foot was on the gas) he calls after her "you fuccking biiitch."

This violence stands alone. It was cold blooded murder against a woman he decided instantaneously he didn't like and wanted power over.

People who smile at you and say "I'm not mad" are not a threat. Period. The end.

I would be saying much worse than that about someone who had tried to block me in.

She said it with major attitude, while her wife was simultaneously insulting him. And I'm sure they said much ruder things prior to this video. Keep in mind these are two people who intentionally used their car to block these officers in.

Really? where is the footage where they arrived and deliberately parked the car blocking PART of the street?
"Attitude" is a very slippery claim to make. Someone else said she was snide. Competent law enforcement leadership trains its people to disregard foul language (which neither she nor her wife used) and tone of voice is easily misinterpreted. How about she was trying to de-escalate the agents?

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

So is the moral here that we can kill people who approach us with a snide tone? Trump is snide all the time. Vance is too. In fact, this entire admin is snide. So, it seems logical that snideness is more than acceptable in the US.

And here's the other thing. ICE is not acting like a legitimate law enforcement agency. They are acting like gestapo. Period. And American people, the ones who studied history, are unwilling to just let this gestapo agency haul people off the way the Nazis did. Americans are laying down their lives, putting themselves in danger for others. ICE entered school property in Minneapolis and tear gassed students and teachers. Students and teachers!!! Grown men did this.

My husband and I, who are as anti gun as possible, talked last night about getting a gun. This doesn't end peacefully. Either congress is going to step up and get rid of this entire administration or Americans are going to end up at war with each other. I don't see any other way out of this. I don't want this to be the case, but since it appears we don't really have a functioning congress anymore, I think this ends in civil war.

Then you should beg your Democrat mayors, attorneys general, & governors to cooperate with ICE by handing over illegal aliens who end up in their courts & jails. This is all preventable, but Democrats WANT it to be messy & bloody.

So this was suicide by cop in an effort to become a martyr? That's your position?

yes, dem leadership is sacrificing their own.

Sure Vlad. This mom of 3 had just finished dropping off her 6 yo at school. She wasn’t trying to get killed. She was just trying to get away from a trigger happy fool ICE guy.

No, she was parked horizontal to the curb, and her wife was filming and verbally taunting. You may agree with that behavior, but it's what they were doing.

Yep. That horizontal parking always puts fear of imminent death in me! Combine that with some mean words and boy-howdy! Out comes the shootin' iron, ain't that right ma?

In the video she is not parked, she is backing up first with her wheels turned to the left, then turns the wheels to the right to move out. And her wife told the officers they have their license plate so they can come talk to them later. Sounds completely like the intention was to LEAVE.

It doesn’t look like they plan to leave until the wife starts yelling DRIVE as one officer has hands in/on her car door telling her to get out and the other is walking in front of her car. The wife isn’t even in the car…so no, it isnt apparent they were about to leave until she suddenly starts driving. The officer on the other side looks like he is getting dragged. It wasn’t just the one in front in danger

You’re a liar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why did the wife tell her to “Drive baby drive”?

The ICE guys were yelling at her to "get out of here".

The were giving her a lawful order to get out of the vehicle. The wife tried to get in the car so they both could leave. The driver sped away leaving her wife on the street because she was trying to hit the ICE agent with her car.

Can you point out what specific part of the video shows here trying to hit the agent?

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Anonymous wrote:Why did the wife tell her to “Drive baby drive”?

The ICE guys were yelling at her to "get out of here".

The were giving her a lawful order to get out of the vehicle. The wife tried to get in the car so they both could leave. The driver sped away leaving her wife on the street because she was trying to hit the ICE agent with her car.

ICE has no authority in the enforcement of traffic laws, therefore they were NOT giving her a “lawful” order.

According to NBC’s analyst of the most recent video, yes she was obligated to follow the command to get out of the car.

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Anonymous wrote:Why did the wife tell her to “Drive baby drive”?

Because the women seemed a bit joking. “I’m not mad at you, dude” said with a smile seconds before she was executed. They misjudged how angry and violent the men were. They may have been trying to defuse the situation. Obviously they weren’t in a rush to flee because she waved cars on, probably to let her wife get in the car.

The car she waved on was more ICE and they rushed the car.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this would be going better for the admin if ICE wasn’t regularly doing terrible stuff. Nationally they aren’t respected anymore.

I don't think so...his own phone footage shows her saying to him "I'm not mad at you, dude" with a huge smile. Then he shoots her and as her car veers off because she's been shot in the face 3x (while her foot was on the gas) he calls after her "you fuccking biiitch."

This violence stands alone. It was cold blooded murder against a woman he decided instantaneously he didn't like and wanted power over.

People who smile at you and say "I'm not mad" are not a threat. Period. The end.

I would be saying much worse than that about someone who had tried to block me in.

She said it with major attitude, while her wife was simultaneously insulting him. And I'm sure they said much ruder things prior to this video. Keep in mind these are two people who intentionally used their car to block these officers in.

Really? where is the footage where they arrived and deliberately parked the car blocking PART of the street?
"Attitude" is a very slippery claim to make. Someone else said she was snide. Competent law enforcement leadership trains its people to disregard foul language (which neither she nor her wife used) and tone of voice is easily misinterpreted. How about she was trying to de-escalate the agents?

Police are supposed to act like professionals. Whether she came across as snide or with an attitude is completely irrelevant. COMPLETELY irrelevant. Anyone disagreeing with that does not understand professionalism in the workplace.