Hayfield Football Coach Fired

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:None of the judge's comments on the substance of the matter at all, legally. The ruling was solely based on VHSL
not following their procedural rule. The judge knew how he was going to rule before the hearing began.

Interested to see what happens at the next hearing or if VHSL will attempt to cure by re-doing their steps.

The writing is on the Wall. Hayfield is in it and may win it.

I think Hayfield can be beat. I also think they should be allowed to play. My kids also do not go to Hayfield and I have no sons, so I'm not particularly invested in HS football. I do love the sport though.

Separately asked- so apart from whether Hayfield did anything and just from baseline position- do you believe there should be governing rules for high school football teams? Should there be rules to govern the conduct of coaches, administrators and players? And yes to those questions, do you believe decisions from those rules should be followed?

Yes, of course there should be rules for high school football teams to keep things fair and safe, but those rules need to be clear and not vague. And they should apply to everyone, not just some schools. Coaches, administrators, and players should have to adhere to the rules. If there’s a question about whether someone followed the rules, there needs to be solid proof, not just assumptions, opinions, or the appearance of rule-breaking. Comments in an article or from parents is not proof. Investigations should be had. Punishing someone without facts to back it up isn’t right and defeats the purpose of having rules in the first place.

VHSL based their ban on something. When asked about it in a courtroom, the lawyer, who I don't believe was a part of the decision-making process, couldn't say anything concrete. That doesn't mean that there aren't facts. It means that suing because you are banned is unsportsmanlike, lousy behavior, and VHSL wasn't prepared for it.

sure, Jan. Well, if this is the case then Hayfield will be out on Dec. 4th and you can be happy.

[Anonymous]

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FrankWinston wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:https://defector.com/how-an-imported-state-champion-blew-up-virginia-high-school-football?giftLink=343031eee2f3a4b0fa7e9878b1f82811

Have had people from out of state asking about this now, based on this article.

If this ain’t the most biased article. Point blank Aziz sucked as a coach , his pass happy teams were mediocre at best, while at Falls Church yes he was able to beat some schools that were worse but never a good win vs ANY measurable other team.
If he was sooooo good he could be hired as an assistant somewhere, perhaps he forgot he’s a county employee who teaches kids first and coaches second. So him saying he fears for his job is asanine, and just because you coached at one school doesn’t mean your automatically gifted another job elsewhere.

I wish this man could sue for some of the slander he’s had to endure. But I’m also sure he feels grateful n has gratitude towards FCPS for having his back. Remember he’s a first year county employee from another county, they don’t owe that man nothing.

It seems to me to be pretty unbiased. It just laid out facts. For example, "When Aziz, a veteran coach in the area, came to Hayfield in 2021, the team had won only two games total in the previous two years. Aziz turned things around and his squad finished atop its conference, the National District, all three seasons he was at the school."

Doesn't seem he "sucked" as a coach. Also, you, yet again, prove my prior comments correct. These Hayfield kids have no decent adult role models surrounding them. It really is a shame.

I remember reading in the Washington Post in 2013 that Aziz turned around the lackluster Falls Church HS football program that was at the bottom of the Northern Region for years, the very bottom. I think Aziz went to school there in the 80s or 90s. He was definitely one of the better public high school football coaches and very much in demand. He turned losing squads into winning ones seemingly overnight. [/quote

Aziz came in when pretty much the team turned their backs on coach Hendersonville. Aziz BEST win in his 3 years in the worst district there is was MAYBE Mount Vernon and their horribly coached. So the sad song Aziz is tryna play is invalid. A principal or AD is not wrong for wanting a winning program, Aziz was not that, so they cut ties, what’s so bad or wrong about that. Coaches are hired and fired all the time and the only measuring stick they have is wins and losses. He may damn we’ll be a good man, but haven’t a good coach, simple as that.

[Anonymous]

I don’t have a high schooler so don’t really have any skin in the game, but have seen this in various news articles and of course this very popular thread. Sounds like 30 some students from one school transferred to hayfield w/the new coach? I seriously doubt that many families physically moved and there was at least a little something against the rules going on (and how did the administration not know about this/action this?!?). I’m confused as to the people defending the school and the coach.

[FrankWinston]

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Anonymous wrote:

FrankWinston wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://defector.com/how-an-imported-state-champion-blew-up-virginia-high-school-football?giftLink=343031eee2f3a4b0fa7e9878b1f82811

Have had people from out of state asking about this now, based on this article.

If this ain’t the most biased article. Point blank Aziz sucked as a coach , his pass happy teams were mediocre at best, while at Falls Church yes he was able to beat some schools that were worse but never a good win vs ANY measurable other team.
If he was sooooo good he could be hired as an assistant somewhere, perhaps he forgot he’s a county employee who teaches kids first and coaches second. So him saying he fears for his job is asanine, and just because you coached at one school doesn’t mean your automatically gifted another job elsewhere.

I wish this man could sue for some of the slander he’s had to endure. But I’m also sure he feels grateful n has gratitude towards FCPS for having his back. Remember he’s a first year county employee from another county, they don’t owe that man nothing.

It seems to me to be pretty unbiased. It just laid out facts. For example, "When Aziz, a veteran coach in the area, came to Hayfield in 2021, the team had won only two games total in the previous two years. Aziz turned things around and his squad finished atop its conference, the National District, all three seasons he was at the school."

Doesn't seem he "sucked" as a coach. Also, you, yet again, prove my prior comments correct. These Hayfield kids have no decent adult role models surrounding them. It really is a shame.

I remember reading in the Washington Post in 2013 that Aziz turned around the lackluster Falls Church HS football program that was at the bottom of the Northern Region for years, the very bottom. I think Aziz went to school there in the 80s or 90s. He was definitely one of the better public high school football coaches and very much in demand. He turned losing squads into winning ones seemingly overnight.

Aziz came in when pretty much the team turned their backs on coach Hendersonville. Aziz BEST win in his 3 years in the worst district there is was MAYBE Mount Vernon and their horribly coached. So the sad song Aziz is tryna play is invalid. A principal or AD is not wrong for wanting a winning program, Aziz was not that, so they cut ties, what’s so bad or wrong about that. Coaches are hired and fired all the time and the only measuring stick they have is wins and losses. He may damn we’ll be a good man, but haven’t a good coach, simple as that.

Knocking a guy who is well-respected as a coach, educator, and a person and who is not even involved in all of this stuff that is going down right now...that's just petty and small.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FrankWinston wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://defector.com/how-an-imported-state-champion-blew-up-virginia-high-school-football?giftLink=343031eee2f3a4b0fa7e9878b1f82811

Have had people from out of state asking about this now, based on this article.

If this ain’t the most biased article. Point blank Aziz sucked as a coach , his pass happy teams were mediocre at best, while at Falls Church yes he was able to beat some schools that were worse but never a good win vs ANY measurable other team.
If he was sooooo good he could be hired as an assistant somewhere, perhaps he forgot he’s a county employee who teaches kids first and coaches second. So him saying he fears for his job is asanine, and just because you coached at one school doesn’t mean your automatically gifted another job elsewhere.

I wish this man could sue for some of the slander he’s had to endure. But I’m also sure he feels grateful n has gratitude towards FCPS for having his back. Remember he’s a first year county employee from another county, they don’t owe that man nothing.

It seems to me to be pretty unbiased. It just laid out facts. For example, "When Aziz, a veteran coach in the area, came to Hayfield in 2021, the team had won only two games total in the previous two years. Aziz turned things around and his squad finished atop its conference, the National District, all three seasons he was at the school."

Doesn't seem he "sucked" as a coach. Also, you, yet again, prove my prior comments correct. These Hayfield kids have no decent adult role models surrounding them. It really is a shame.

I remember reading in the Washington Post in 2013 that Aziz turned around the lackluster Falls Church HS football program that was at the bottom of the Northern Region for years, the very bottom. I think Aziz went to school there in the 80s or 90s. He was definitely one of the better public high school football coaches and very much in demand. He turned losing squads into winning ones seemingly overnight.

Def false

Then why was he so in demand? Just wondering. He may not have been a Dematha level coaching genius. But he was much admired, or so I thought.

[Anonymous]

FrankWinston wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FrankWinston wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://defector.com/how-an-imported-state-champion-blew-up-virginia-high-school-football?giftLink=343031eee2f3a4b0fa7e9878b1f82811

Have had people from out of state asking about this now, based on this article.

If this ain’t the most biased article. Point blank Aziz sucked as a coach , his pass happy teams were mediocre at best, while at Falls Church yes he was able to beat some schools that were worse but never a good win vs ANY measurable other team.
If he was sooooo good he could be hired as an assistant somewhere, perhaps he forgot he’s a county employee who teaches kids first and coaches second. So him saying he fears for his job is asanine, and just because you coached at one school doesn’t mean your automatically gifted another job elsewhere.

I wish this man could sue for some of the slander he’s had to endure. But I’m also sure he feels grateful n has gratitude towards FCPS for having his back. Remember he’s a first year county employee from another county, they don’t owe that man nothing.

It seems to me to be pretty unbiased. It just laid out facts. For example, "When Aziz, a veteran coach in the area, came to Hayfield in 2021, the team had won only two games total in the previous two years. Aziz turned things around and his squad finished atop its conference, the National District, all three seasons he was at the school."

Doesn't seem he "sucked" as a coach. Also, you, yet again, prove my prior comments correct. These Hayfield kids have no decent adult role models surrounding them. It really is a shame.

I remember reading in the Washington Post in 2013 that Aziz turned around the lackluster Falls Church HS football program that was at the bottom of the Northern Region for years, the very bottom. I think Aziz went to school there in the 80s or 90s. He was definitely one of the better public high school football coaches and very much in demand. He turned losing squads into winning ones seemingly overnight.

Def false

Actually definitely true. There were a couple of articles in the Washington Post in 2013 about Falls Church's rise to a measure of prominence in football under Aziz. A quick google search proves that correct. But, and this is a testament to Aziz, he always seemed to deflect credit to his kids...that's what a good coach and decent human being does. Hopefully, for the sake of another program, he gets another coaching job elsewhere.

Some of the links for those interested:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/falls-church-earns-rare-playoff-win-dominion-grabs-first-ever-postseason-win/2013/11/15/cf5260a4-4e78-11e3-9890-a1e0997fb0c0_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/falls-church-football-off-to-best-start-in-more-than-a-decade-robinson-plays-without-injured-joe-wilson/2013/09/26/1769d116-26cd-11e3-b3e9-d97fb087acd6_story.html

Thanks for posting. These are the articles I was referring to. Aziz was well liked and a really good coach too. I hope he lands someplace nice if he wishes to resume coaching some day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t have a high schooler so don’t really have any skin in the game, but have seen this in various news articles and of course this very popular thread. Sounds like 30 some students from one school transferred to hayfield w/the new coach? I seriously doubt that many families physically moved and there was at least a little something against the rules going on (and how did the administration not know about this/action this?!?). I’m confused as to the people defending the school and the coach.

30 kids did not transfer. 14 did (still a lot) but just how you read and repeated 30, imagine that type of rhetoric happening for 5 months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t have a high schooler so don’t really have any skin in the game, but have seen this in various news articles and of course this very popular thread. Sounds like 30 some students from one school transferred to hayfield w/the new coach? I seriously doubt that many families physically moved and there was at least a little something against the rules going on (and how did the administration not know about this/action this?!?). I’m confused as to the people defending the school and the coach.

30 kids did not transfer. 14 did (still a lot) but just how you read and repeated 30, imagine that type of rhetoric happening for 5 months.

There were transfers from Freedom, transfers from private schools and multiple rising freshman from non-hayfield feeder middle schools. Way way more than 14

[Anonymous]

Why is Aziz even mentioned in this string of posts? He is an excellent man, teacher and coach. He has done nothing wrong and said nothing about what is going on currently.

Bringing him into this discussion post seems like more deflection from the side that has many things to hide. Recruiting players is cheating. Own it. Just say that’s what happened and let’s be done with it. We already know it happened. We’re just waiting for the cheaters to admit it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t have a high schooler so don’t really have any skin in the game, but have seen this in various news articles and of course this very popular thread. Sounds like 30 some students from one school transferred to hayfield w/the new coach? I seriously doubt that many families physically moved and there was at least a little something against the rules going on (and how did the administration not know about this/action this?!?). I’m confused as to the people defending the school and the coach.

30 kids did not transfer. 14 did (still a lot) but just how you read and repeated 30, imagine that type of rhetoric happening for 5 months.

- 14 transferred (still a lot) from Freedom HS, including X number of 'PME years' of undue influence

- 5 HS transfers from area private schools, including X number of 'PME years' of undue influence

- 5 addition non-HS transfers coming into 9th grade, including X number of 'PME years' of undue influence

All of which occurred between April 2024 - August 2024, within 4-5 months.

Parents are on record in youtube clips, twitter posts, and allegedly even during the hearing last Friday all claiming that 'they did this in order to follow Coach Overton and his program'.

Let's not include the alleged 'use of homelessness' claims, alleged 'transportation rides to/from Woodbridge' claims, alleged 'use of shared housing' claims, and alleged 'not moving out of their PWC residences' claims not withstanding.

HAYFIELD is guilty of proselytizing.

[Anonymous]

Is there any perspective from the pre-existing 2023 rising juniors (or their parents) of Hayfield, who would have expected to be starting in 2024 as seniors ? They would have seemed to have had a front row seat to all this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ll hope parents vote to not play. I think that will be the only way FCPS finally sees that their decisions and messaging so far has been wrong choice after wrong choice. Hayfield won’t care whatever any other high school does, so don’t play, don’t risk injury and win on integrity.

Honestly at some point can argue neither side would be “playing” anyway even if on the field- so why suit up. Take last Lewis game with the running of mercy clock and taking the DOGs, half the time, standing around. It’s not impressive football to watch. And agree with others that Hayfield will do what did all year and even if up by 50, will still keep starters in and just go for personal records for the select few kids.

[Anonymous]

I’m not saying it’s right, but this stuff happens all the time in places where HS football is more of a big thing. Recruiting scandals are commonplace in the Midwest and the Southeast. They tend to be a little sneakier about it and build up a program over the course of 2-3 seasons instead of right away and then they don’t come under scrutiny or they can hand-wave away any irregularities.

Also if parents have a talented MS football player, they will move heaven and earth to get him into the right HS program to get noticed by college recruiters. They would move, or send a kid to the big Catholic schools with big football programs, or have their kid “live with relatives” so he could play on the best team. HS football is big business.

[Anonymous]

FrankWinston wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FrankWinston wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://defector.com/how-an-imported-state-champion-blew-up-virginia-high-school-football?giftLink=343031eee2f3a4b0fa7e9878b1f82811

Have had people from out of state asking about this now, based on this article.

If this ain’t the most biased article. Point blank Aziz sucked as a coach , his pass happy teams were mediocre at best, while at Falls Church yes he was able to beat some schools that were worse but never a good win vs ANY measurable other team.
If he was sooooo good he could be hired as an assistant somewhere, perhaps he forgot he’s a county employee who teaches kids first and coaches second. So him saying he fears for his job is asanine, and just because you coached at one school doesn’t mean your automatically gifted another job elsewhere.

I wish this man could sue for some of the slander he’s had to endure. But I’m also sure he feels grateful n has gratitude towards FCPS for having his back. Remember he’s a first year county employee from another county, they don’t owe that man nothing.

It seems to me to be pretty unbiased. It just laid out facts. For example, "When Aziz, a veteran coach in the area, came to Hayfield in 2021, the team had won only two games total in the previous two years. Aziz turned things around and his squad finished atop its conference, the National District, all three seasons he was at the school."

Doesn't seem he "sucked" as a coach. Also, you, yet again, prove my prior comments correct. These Hayfield kids have no decent adult role models surrounding them. It really is a shame.

I remember reading in the Washington Post in 2013 that Aziz turned around the lackluster Falls Church HS football program that was at the bottom of the Northern Region for years, the very bottom. I think Aziz went to school there in the 80s or 90s. He was definitely one of the better public high school football coaches and very much in demand. He turned losing squads into winning ones seemingly overnight.

Aziz came in when pretty much the team turned their backs on coach Hendersonville. Aziz BEST win in his 3 years in the worst district there is was MAYBE Mount Vernon and their horribly coached. So the sad song Aziz is tryna play is invalid. A principal or AD is not wrong for wanting a winning program, Aziz was not that, so they cut ties, what’s so bad or wrong about that. Coaches are hired and fired all the time and the only measuring stick they have is wins and losses. He may damn we’ll be a good man, but haven’t a good coach, simple as that.

Knocking a guy who is well-respected as a coach, educator, and a person and who is not even involved in all of this stuff that is going down right now...that's just petty and small.

As I stated, this is not about him as a man or educator, this is simply him as a head football coach. If he’s not getting it amine the AD will remove you. The most respected man in Hayfield was Roy Hill, and they found a way to dismiss/not bring him back so yes it def happens to men who are great educators and coaches, so don’t get nothing confused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FrankWinston wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://defector.com/how-an-imported-state-champion-blew-up-virginia-high-school-football?giftLink=343031eee2f3a4b0fa7e9878b1f82811

Have had people from out of state asking about this now, based on this article.

If this ain’t the most biased article. Point blank Aziz sucked as a coach , his pass happy teams were mediocre at best, while at Falls Church yes he was able to beat some schools that were worse but never a good win vs ANY measurable other team.
If he was sooooo good he could be hired as an assistant somewhere, perhaps he forgot he’s a county employee who teaches kids first and coaches second. So him saying he fears for his job is asanine, and just because you coached at one school doesn’t mean your automatically gifted another job elsewhere.

I wish this man could sue for some of the slander he’s had to endure. But I’m also sure he feels grateful n has gratitude towards FCPS for having his back. Remember he’s a first year county employee from another county, they don’t owe that man nothing.

It seems to me to be pretty unbiased. It just laid out facts. For example, "When Aziz, a veteran coach in the area, came to Hayfield in 2021, the team had won only two games total in the previous two years. Aziz turned things around and his squad finished atop its conference, the National District, all three seasons he was at the school."

Doesn't seem he "sucked" as a coach. Also, you, yet again, prove my prior comments correct. These Hayfield kids have no decent adult role models surrounding them. It really is a shame.

I remember reading in the Washington Post in 2013 that Aziz turned around the lackluster Falls Church HS football program that was at the bottom of the Northern Region for years, the very bottom. I think Aziz went to school there in the 80s or 90s. He was definitely one of the better public high school football coaches and very much in demand. He turned losing squads into winning ones seemingly overnight.

Def false

Then why was he so in demand? Just wondering. He may not have been a Dematha level coaching genius. But he was much admired, or so I thought.

How much in demand is he, if per the article he was saying couldn’t get another gig