Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

[Anonymous]

What I find fascinating is that they managed phase 2 of filming without incident, including intimate scenes. I do think a lot of what Lively considers harassment is more thoughtlessness on his part. Like offering up that he was circumcised is dumb but he didn't mean anything bad. He works have been trying to impress her at that point.

And his explanation was neurodivergence, that his ADHD makes him blurt things out without thinking, poor impulse control, it kind of makes sense except... how did he manage to hold it together so well in the second half of filming? That part suggests that he did have control over what he said and did. So it's interesting as a matter of psychology.

He obviously knows when he's doing something wrong because he often preface with tells like "I know I shouldn't say this, but" or "I can say this because my wife is here."

[Anonymous]

If anything, Sony is probably pissed they went with the lower rated cut, potentially forfeiting tens of millions on a cut that audience preferred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting that Jamey and Justin managed to marry women far more beautiful and centered than any of the Mean Girl actresses that find them so “creepy.”

Working women are such Bs right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting that Jamey and Justin managed to marry women far more beautiful and centered than any of the Mean Girl actresses that find them so “creepy.”

You know how you can tell someone secretly hates women? When their first instinct when they don't like a woman is to call her ugly or fat. It's a trick that has never steered me wrong. Because someone who was not a misogynist would be able to make an argument on Baldoni's behalf that didn't literally rank the women involved in this story based on looks. And yet... you can't do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I find fascinating is that they managed phase 2 of filming without incident, including intimate scenes. I do think a lot of what Lively considers harassment is more thoughtlessness on his part. Like offering up that he was circumcised is dumb but he didn't mean anything bad. He works have been trying to impress her at that point.

And his explanation was neurodivergence, that his ADHD makes him blurt things out without thinking, poor impulse control, it kind of makes sense except... how did he manage to hold it together so well in the second half of filming? That part suggests that he did have control over what he said and did. So it's interesting as a matter of psychology.

He obviously knows when he's doing something wrong because he often preface with tells like "I know I shouldn't say this, but" or "I can say this because my wife is here."

Honestly, it is totally normal to offer up one is circumcised when someone asks you for input on whether their kid should be circumcised. Blake just conveniently leaves out that part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting that Jamey and Justin managed to marry women far more beautiful and centered than any of the Mean Girl actresses that find them so “creepy.”

You know how you can tell someone secretly hates women? When their first instinct when they don't like a woman is to call her ugly or fat. It's a trick that has never steered me wrong. Because someone who was not a misogynist would be able to make an argument on Baldoni's behalf that didn't literally rank the women involved in this story based on looks. And yet... you can't do it.

You the one ranting about Zionists and sex pests? Zip it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting that Jamey and Justin managed to marry women far more beautiful and centered than any of the Mean Girl actresses that find them so “creepy.”

You know how you can tell someone secretly hates women? When their first instinct when they don't like a woman is to call her ugly or fat. It's a trick that has never steered me wrong. Because someone who was not a misogynist would be able to make an argument on Baldoni's behalf that didn't literally rank the women involved in this story based on looks. And yet... you can't do it.

You the one ranting about Zionists and sex pests? Zip it.

Hit dogs will holler.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I find fascinating is that they managed phase 2 of filming without incident, including intimate scenes. I do think a lot of what Lively considers harassment is more thoughtlessness on his part. Like offering up that he was circumcised is dumb but he didn't mean anything bad. He works have been trying to impress her at that point.

And his explanation was neurodivergence, that his ADHD makes him blurt things out without thinking, poor impulse control, it kind of makes sense except... how did he manage to hold it together so well in the second half of filming? That part suggests that he did have control over what he said and did. So it's interesting as a matter of psychology.

He obviously knows when he's doing something wrong because he often preface with tells like "I know I shouldn't say this, but" or "I can say this because my wife is here."

This. I think he's a boundary tester. He says and does things that violate an implicit or explicit boundary, to see how the other person reacts. It's dangerous to have someone like that in a position of authority because it becomes a manipulation tactic, to test how much control they have over people. I worked for someone like this once. A woman, actually. Baldoni reminds me a LOT of her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is Justin Baldoni explaining what he was trying to do with a scene in which his character, Ryle, r*pes Lively's character, Lily, in a jealous rage:

"For me what that scene was more about was Ryle feeling like had lost all power and feeling so insecure and jealous that the only way in his mind that he could show her how much he loved her was um and I won't say the word that we used in developing it, but what was essentially to force any love she had for Atlas out of her. So Ryle's motivation, if you're talking about character motivation, or why he did what he did, from the filmmaking perspective and from the actor perspective, was um he was trying to, in his twisted mind, love... Atlas out of her. There's another word we used and I'm sure in your imagination you can go from there."

And after that SONY wanted him to stop doing press for the movie because Oh. My. God.

Some of you need to learn the difference between actors acting in a movie that has sex scenes and dv, and real life.

These are not lines he said in the movie as his character. These are words he used as himself when describing the movie to a reporter. He told a reporter that his character, who is an abuser in the film, wanted to "love" Lily's former boyfriend "out of her." Baldoni's words.

WHY is he even spending an interview discussing the motivations of the abuser in the movie. This is an easy one. Even if asked directly about playing Ryle or thinking about Ryle's motivations, you as the filmmaker redirect back to the core point of the story, which is Lily and her empowerment and survival. You say "yes it was hard at times putting myself into the mindset to play this character, but it was in service to a story that is about a woman standing up for herself. That is the story we wanted to tell." It's not hard or confusing. It's very straightforward.

But he wanted to talk about himself. And he also over-identified with his abuser character and, because he's a narcissist, wanted to discuss that identification and the efforts he went to in order to humanize that character with a news outlet, rather than talk about the protagonist of the film he made.

Reading this makes me very glad that Lively wound up making her own cut of the film and found a way to release that one. It also makes it very, very obvious what a massive mistake it was for Baldoni to direct this film and play Ryle. Just a colossal miscalculation. I wonder if he can admit that to himself now. It's very obvious to everyone else. Such a self-defeating act of hubris. He brought this on himself.

To be fair to him, and I'm anti Baldoni and think he's a creep, when you are an actor you do have to understand the motivation of your character no matter if it's a rapist or murderer, so that you're not just cartoonishly evil. That's in no way a justification of what Ryle did, he just has to understand what Ryle was feeling in that moment. But it was stupid to verbalize that, especially in public. For acting class, I'd say totally fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting that Jamey and Justin managed to marry women far more beautiful and centered than any of the Mean Girl actresses that find them so “creepy.”

You know how you can tell someone secretly hates women? When their first instinct when they don't like a woman is to call her ugly or fat. It's a trick that has never steered me wrong. Because someone who was not a misogynist would be able to make an argument on Baldoni's behalf that didn't literally rank the women involved in this story based on looks. And yet... you can't do it.

You the one ranting about Zionists and sex pests? Zip it.

Hit dogs will holler.

Sorry you were hit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blake herself says Justin is scared of her and the other women on set, but believes he's a dangerous predator? I'm so confused.

Sometimes men who are afraid of being rejected by women can treat women the worst. Because their behavior comes from insecurity and fear. Also their behavior is often very tied up in confusion and frustration over the concept of masculinity, which definitely tracks with Justin's whole history with "Man Enough" and posing as a feminist ally. My armchair diagnosis is that he has pretty old fashioned ideas about male dominance but realized very early on that was not going to fly in 21st century USA, and especially not in Hollywood, so he tried to do an end run around. He'd bill himself as a Sensitive, Feminist Man. He'd be the most sensitive, the most feminist. He'd channel is aggression and sense of superiority into a kind of faux vulnerability, and in doing so, dominate discussions about feminism and make them about himself.

Did you read her early texts to him? They were super inappropriate, like she had a crush (or was baiting him?) And he roundly shut her down in a potentially ego bruising way. He unequivocally was not taking her flirty shit. "It's 2am and I am with my family." That's also her thing? She has bragged about her ability to turn cast members against rach other and spoil a set, regularly slept with married coworkers and producers (Weinstein/Ryan/Affleck) and is super toxic. I don't get why anyone gives her the benefit of the doubt. I had never heard of Baldoni.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting that Jamey and Justin managed to marry women far more beautiful and centered than any of the Mean Girl actresses that find them so “creepy.”

You know how you can tell someone secretly hates women? When their first instinct when they don't like a woman is to call her ugly or fat. It's a trick that has never steered me wrong. Because someone who was not a misogynist would be able to make an argument on Baldoni's behalf that didn't literally rank the women involved in this story based on looks. And yet... you can't do it.

You the one ranting about Zionists and sex pests? Zip it.

Hit dogs will holler.

Sorry you were hit.

Funny how pretty much every woman in a professional capacity loathed Baldoni. Even Jen Abel and Melissa Nathan who were paid to pretend to like him, but his adoring fans who've never met him, think they know best. It's almost like they are getting paid. If not, how sad.

[Anonymous]

Someone on tik tok made a really good point. They said that Blake’s PR team knowingly invited people to ask “what’s going on” when she unfollowed Justin and kicked him off the promo. B/c they didn’t then answer that question, it led to sleuthing. And quite unluckily for Blake, she has a bad reputation and lots of skeletons people could dig up, whereas there was nothing to find on Justin. As such, Blake became the story. The tik toker likened it to when a celebrity couple announces a divorce but doesn’t say whose fault it was. People will assume it was the one with the history of cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If anything, Sony is probably pissed they went with the lower rated cut, potentially forfeiting tens of millions on a cut that audience preferred.

So the movie that came out was her crappier version? I didn't know who won that fight

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is Justin Baldoni explaining what he was trying to do with a scene in which his character, Ryle, r*pes Lively's character, Lily, in a jealous rage:

"For me what that scene was more about was Ryle feeling like had lost all power and feeling so insecure and jealous that the only way in his mind that he could show her how much he loved her was um and I won't say the word that we used in developing it, but what was essentially to force any love she had for Atlas out of her. So Ryle's motivation, if you're talking about character motivation, or why he did what he did, from the filmmaking perspective and from the actor perspective, was um he was trying to, in his twisted mind, love... Atlas out of her. There's another word we used and I'm sure in your imagination you can go from there."

And after that SONY wanted him to stop doing press for the movie because Oh. My. God.

To be clear, he said this to a reporter at the Dallas Morning News during the early stages of his press tour. Not privately or in text. He said it to the press while trying to promote a move about domestic violence.

Um, he’s describing the scene in the movie. This is pretty much spot on and I don’t see the problem.