Fairfax County Double Murder

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the biggest difference between posters here is that people who know BB think he may have done it, but may not have; and people who knew JR and the majority of people on these forums know for a "fact" BB is guilty.

I'm a friend of BB, the one whose posts got deleted a few months ago for mentioning BB's daughters name. I still lurk, just don't post.

I can confirm BB went to McDonald's often, and he was a tech nerd who loved to show off his toys (phones, teslas, etc). He also enjoyed listening and learning about your new gadgetry. As a guy, we just generally like techy stuff.

After CB's death, the entire bedroom had to be rebuilt. To stay busy BB also remodeled his bathroom (I think by himself).

To the best of my understanding he is still getting paid by the IRS and he has taken up a handful of gig jobs to stay busy. The gig jobs also explain the speeding tickets, as one of the jobs was doing uber/lyft, etc. It probably does mean he's under tremendous LEO scrutiny and they are most certainly observing/watching him to lock him up.

The first phone call came from the basement, not the bedroom, and it was the second call where you can hear Joe in the background. I imagine BB asked AP to get the second gun so she could keep it pointed at JR while he administered aid to CB.

CB and BB were in open relationships, I don't know anything about c*cking, but I can confirm for 10 years through mutual friends that they have both been unfaithful. So it should be no surprise that CB was on some sites. Fetish sites though? I don't know, she seemed pretty vanilla but you never know what gets people off in the bedroom.

Getting a new phone and going to a gun range are very normal things for BB to do. Bringing the AP with? Maybe because he was having an affair, maybe she just wanted to learn to shoot, who knows. Maybe it was to get her to train to kill.

Now, all that being said, I still am very on the fence about if he did this or not. There is a part of me that thinks he did, because why would he bring AP/daughter into the house? But besides that, the timeline seems somewhat realistic to me.

BB gets a phone call from AP about an unknown car in the driveway and CB is not answering. He goes home, and tries to assess if CB is with another person. AP calls police, but doesn't know if anything is wrong and hangs up. When he goes inside the bedroom all pets are off. According the bond hearing AP heard BB screaming put the knife down and she ran to the bedroom.

All of this seems plausible, but I don't know the motive from JR, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one. Doesn't mean it wasn't setup from BB or, maybe, AP set the entire thing up.

Let's say AP wanted to get CB & BB divorced, and didn't know that CB was also (knowingly to BB) having affairs. Maybe she is psychotic and thought somehow, given that everybody knows that BB is extremely protective over his family and was a LEO, maybe he'd draw his gun on someone with a knife to his wife which would put an entire scenario on red alert. Maybe it was never her intention to get someone killed, maybe it was to get them divorced in some sick, twisted, stupid manner.

The truth is we don't know what happened. BB isn't saying anything, which is what his lawyer told him to do day 1. "Don't say anything to anyone"

I see your point and I still debate whether he did it or not. It’s surprising for me that he’s working for Uber.
One thing, though: I was in court for the hearing. The call where you can hear a man moaning in the back was the first call, not second. First call that had 3 seconds.

If the first call had 3 seconds of a man moaning and the second call was 10 minutes later, what could BBs explanation be???

No ambulance summoned for his beloved wife with a clotting disorder in all that time? Hmmm...

[Anonymous]

Neighbors, is the little girl very isolated too? The idea makes me so sad as CB seemed quite social. She has lost her mommy, 1/2 her family and the former AP she was so close to. Now nothing resembling a healthy childhood and BB has to be feeling some strain. His mother, too.

How long will the IRS keep him on leave, I wonder? AP's trial date and his arrest could be a long way off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been keeping quiet out of respect for the families, but since most of this detail is out now, I'm going to share some of what I know.

I have both CB's and BB's number in my phone. I also have telegram on my phone. Telegram has the annoying habit of sending out notifications whenever someone in your contact list joins the app. You have to use a phone number to make an account.

2/19 I got a notification that CB's phone was used to join telegram. I didn't think anything of it at the time.
2/24 Is the last time CB was seen on telegram, which means the app was checked the day of.

I took the following screenshots shortly after everything happened:

https://imgur.com/a/pMDu8ld

This is why I don't believe the prosecutor's story that it was a big conspiracy by BB. He would had to use CB's phone multiple times, including the day of the incident. People don't download encrypted messaging apps, unless they are trying to hide something. And Telegram has disappearing messages, perfect for hiding an affair.

BB's number is also not on Telegram, so if you are going to claim he downloaded the app on her phone, why didn't he test it out on his phone first? If he's planning everything, it would make sense he would test out the app on his phone. Also the telegram app was on her laptop. So he would have had to use both her phone and laptop without her seeing any notifications from the telegram app. Not impossible, but highly unlikely.

So according to some posters here, BB is some incredibly smart techno-mastermind, who also somehow didn't realize that gun purchases require background checks + leave public records, that buying a gun right before shooting someone is extremely suspicious, and that gun ranges keep visitor logs?

I strongly feel there are more simpler and reasonable explanations.
Whatever happened during this tragedy, I think it was unexpected, unplanned, and chaotic. And I don't agree with all the slander and pre-judgement.

Also regarding the phones:
BB pre-orders his new phones, and does this on a regular basis. I remember him showing it off on his birthday. The data and contacts were transferred over. He unlocked that phone for the police.
BB's IRS phone can be unlocked by the IRS if the police request it. BB cannot give the password away.

BB may have been using a burner phone.

What does it matter? It’s clearly CB’s devices that had the fetlife and telegram apps used to talk to JR

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

This is wild. Still doesn’t prove anything, but it’s looking more likely that CB was talking to JR. If removing pajamas were actually discussed in the chat, and then found in the house. That seems waaay too specific.

And mentioning her husband didn’t notice her. Only a woman would think of writing something like that. Sounds like their marriage was falling apart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Has anyone seen CB’s profile on Fetlife? I have and it certainly raises questions about who wrote it. For instance, there are weird grammatical mistakes and other oddities.

Hey PP any chance you have screenshots of the profile? I do not want to make an account and afaik you aren't able to search the site by name.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the biggest difference between posters here is that people who know BB think he may have done it, but may not have; and people who knew JR and the majority of people on these forums know for a "fact" BB is guilty.

I'm a friend of BB, the one whose posts got deleted a few months ago for mentioning BB's daughters name. I still lurk, just don't post.

I can confirm BB went to McDonald's often, and he was a tech nerd who loved to show off his toys (phones, teslas, etc). He also enjoyed listening and learning about your new gadgetry. As a guy, we just generally like techy stuff.

After CB's death, the entire bedroom had to be rebuilt. To stay busy BB also remodeled his bathroom (I think by himself).

To the best of my understanding he is still getting paid by the IRS and he has taken up a handful of gig jobs to stay busy. The gig jobs also explain the speeding tickets, as one of the jobs was doing uber/lyft, etc. It probably does mean he's under tremendous LEO scrutiny and they are most certainly observing/watching him to lock him up.

The first phone call came from the basement, not the bedroom, and it was the second call where you can hear Joe in the background. I imagine BB asked AP to get the second gun so she could keep it pointed at JR while he administered aid to CB.

CB and BB were in open relationships, I don't know anything about c*cking, but I can confirm for 10 years through mutual friends that they have both been unfaithful. So it should be no surprise that CB was on some sites. Fetish sites though? I don't know, she seemed pretty vanilla but you never know what gets people off in the bedroom.

Getting a new phone and going to a gun range are very normal things for BB to do. Bringing the AP with? Maybe because he was having an affair, maybe she just wanted to learn to shoot, who knows. Maybe it was to get her to train to kill.

Now, all that being said, I still am very on the fence about if he did this or not. There is a part of me that thinks he did, because why would he bring AP/daughter into the house? But besides that, the timeline seems somewhat realistic to me.

BB gets a phone call from AP about an unknown car in the driveway and CB is not answering. He goes home, and tries to assess if CB is with another person. AP calls police, but doesn't know if anything is wrong and hangs up. When he goes inside the bedroom all pets are off. According the bond hearing AP heard BB screaming put the knife down and she ran to the bedroom.

All of this seems plausible, but I don't know the motive from JR, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one. Doesn't mean it wasn't setup from BB or, maybe, AP set the entire thing up.

Let's say AP wanted to get CB & BB divorced, and didn't know that CB was also (knowingly to BB) having affairs. Maybe she is psychotic and thought somehow, given that everybody knows that BB is extremely protective over his family and was a LEO, maybe he'd draw his gun on someone with a knife to his wife which would put an entire scenario on red alert. Maybe it was never her intention to get someone killed, maybe it was to get them divorced in some sick, twisted, stupid manner.

The truth is we don't know what happened. BB isn't saying anything, which is what his lawyer told him to do day 1. "Don't say anything to anyone"

Thanks for posting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

This is wild. Still doesn’t prove anything, but it’s looking more likely that CB was talking to JR. If removing pajamas were actually discussed in the chat, and then found in the house. That seems waaay too specific.

And mentioning her husband didn’t notice her. Only a woman would think of writing something like that. Sounds like their marriage was falling apart.

Funny, I thought it sounded like something a man would think a woman would say!! No woman wants to talk about her dud husband with a lover.

[Anonymous]

Agree.

[Anonymous]

https://www.youtube.com/live/obKCqaNrNYk?si=07orag0B8TVTp5z9

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Neighbors, is the little girl very isolated too? The idea makes me so sad as CB seemed quite social. She has lost her mommy, 1/2 her family and the former AP she was so close to. Now nothing resembling a healthy childhood and BB has to be feeling some strain. His mother, too.

How long will the IRS keep him on leave, I wonder? AP's trial date and his arrest could be a long way off.

The daughter is very close and attached to BB. I've heard her say I love you to BB several times when I see them walking/riding their bikes around the neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Neighbors, is the little girl very isolated too? The idea makes me so sad as CB seemed quite social. She has lost her mommy, 1/2 her family and the former AP she was so close to. Now nothing resembling a healthy childhood and BB has to be feeling some strain. His mother, too.

How long will the IRS keep him on leave, I wonder? AP's trial date and his arrest could be a long way off.

The daughter is very close and attached to BB. I've heard her say I love you to BB several times when I see them walking/riding their bikes around the neighborhood.

Sorry, was not clear. Does she socialize with neighborhood children? Do they socialize with other families?

Of course she is attached to BB, he's removed everyone from before besides himself and his mother in her day to day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/live/obKCqaNrNYk?si=07orag0B8TVTp5z9

Thanks for this podcast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Neighbors, is the little girl very isolated too? The idea makes me so sad as CB seemed quite social. She has lost her mommy, 1/2 her family and the former AP she was so close to. Now nothing resembling a healthy childhood and BB has to be feeling some strain. His mother, too.

How long will the IRS keep him on leave, I wonder? AP's trial date and his arrest could be a long way off.

I'm a neighbor and I had begun a response about seeing the little girl out with BB but have decided I can't. As much as I suspect BB, I can't pile on in any way that adds to speculation about her state. All I can say is I think she is in fact safe; that BB doesn't present a threat to her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Neighbors, is the little girl very isolated too? The idea makes me so sad as CB seemed quite social. She has lost her mommy, 1/2 her family and the former AP she was so close to. Now nothing resembling a healthy childhood and BB has to be feeling some strain. His mother, too.

How long will the IRS keep him on leave, I wonder? AP's trial date and his arrest could be a long way off.

The daughter is very close and attached to BB. I've heard her say I love you to BB several times when I see them walking/riding their bikes around the neighborhood.

Sorry, was not clear. Does she socialize with neighborhood children? Do they socialize with other families?

Of course she is attached to BB, he's removed everyone from before besides himself and his mother in her day to day.

Not really. He's also not a friendly person, even before this incident. Don't really want my children anywhere near an alleged murderer, to be honest.

CB was the one who initiates hangouts and was very affectionate and kind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Neighbors, is the little girl very isolated too? The idea makes me so sad as CB seemed quite social. She has lost her mommy, 1/2 her family and the former AP she was so close to. Now nothing resembling a healthy childhood and BB has to be feeling some strain. His mother, too.

How long will the IRS keep him on leave, I wonder? AP's trial date and his arrest could be a long way off.

The daughter is very close and attached to BB. I've heard her say I love you to BB several times when I see them walking/riding their bikes around the neighborhood.

Sorry, was not clear. Does she socialize with neighborhood children? Do they socialize with other families?

Of course she is attached to BB, he's removed everyone from before besides himself and his mother in her day to day.

Not really. He's also not a friendly person, even before this incident. Don't really want my children anywhere near an alleged murderer, to be honest.

CB was the one who initiates hangouts and was very affectionate and kind.

That was my impression.

BB may not come at the child with a knife but he has destroyed her life along with his own, AP's and snuffed out lives of CB and JR. He had to know he would likely be arrested at some point, rendering her in effect, an orphan. Divorce was always an option.