The White Lotus season 2

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The most unrealistic thing on the show was how often Daphne was laying out in the direct sunlight without a hat.

No late-30s freckled blonde who cares about their skin is doing that.

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Anonymous wrote:Tanya’s last day was extremely tortured and her death was painful to watch.

Yeah, it was. She was so flustered. There were a million other choices she could have made, from tying the rope to the banister to finding a ladder but, I mean, as a woman her size (though a bit younger) you do start to feel a bit less agile as the years go by. Jumping off of a boat and then climbing into another isn't an easy feat.

It’s just too sad she doesn’t know boats have doors and layers and a low deck in the back. she didn’t even hit her head on the way down.

Yeah. I thought maybe she’d pop up because her head didn’t hit the boat. I didn’t want her to die

You didn’t hear the thud? We did.

I agree there was a thud although you don’t see it. But I was also waiting for her to open her eyes and struggle back to the surface. But I liked that ending for her- like Mike white said, she figures it out and fights her way out, then dies in a dumb way from her own incompetence (still asking about Greg’s affair). It seemed to work well with her character

+1 many of us thought she was the character with plot armor but there was really nowhere for her character to go. This ending was fitting. I agree Greg will be the connector next season, maybe he's married to a hot young thing for wife 5 and he becomes paranoid she's trying to off him.

Or the riches don't satisfy him the way he anticipated, especially if he has a recurrence and learns death is imminent after all.

Bleach on Greg.

Just have all new characters.

Or maybe it’s Coolidge who returns from death via ancient seance.

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Upset? We are all in awe and so impressed by brilliant legal minds who have the idle time to come to the defense of some lawyer whore on TV who likely exposed her pushover husband to insurable HSV-2 herpes (and all sorts of other fun incurable disease) after a tryst with his disgusting college roommate. But she's so sarcastic and snarky, what's not to like!

"Lawyer whore"? Omg. You are so deeply unhinged

Is she not a lawyer, is she not an adulterous whore? Made more egregious by getting on her back for her husband's bully. I don't see the issue with using lawyer whore to describe a lawyer who is a bonafide whore.

A whore has sex for money. Harper has not done so. Thus, not a whore.

All four of the fourple likely had adulterous sex. The fact that your are fixated on calling only one mysogynistic names says a lot about you, but nothing about them.

We agree, all four are adulterous and gross. If Ethan had values and character he'd simply divorce his wife instead of doing the same. You all are the ones white knighting Harper as some pure and innocent player when she is anything but. Pure and innocent women don't have unprotected sex with married creeps who are "friends" with their husband. That's not some random or minor lapse, it is pure evil. The same sort of evil person, a trained lawyer at that, would obviously not hesitate to methodically manipulate a rich high-status husband. Just as she didn't hesitate to have unprotected sex right after.

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Agreed, but I don't think many people here are arguing that Harper is perfect or had no flaws. It's that some people are pointing out that she's not a total villain with no redeeming qualities and that (1) she might actually love her husband, and (2) she might have some positive qualities that make him love her. And there is one person on here who has decided that we're all idiots who are obsessed with Aubrey Plaza because obviously Harper is a vicious and manipulative harpy.

That is true though. Plaza is the most famous character, especially to all the millennials obsessed with White Lotus. Young people are captivated by her and think she's so witty and funny and totally them, so you don't want to acknowledge even the possibility that she's just as much of a ruthless striver, manipulator and conniver as everyone else on the show. To me, the only pure leading character was Bert.

No, it's not true. People are pointing out that Harper was flawed and complicated, like all the white lotus characters, but not a one-dimensional villain. Meanwhile you keep insisting she is in fact a total villain running a years-long scam aimed at getting Ethan's money when every indication is that, despite her flaws, she married Ethan as an equal partner and just wanted a normal UMC life with a loving husband and some kids and a job.

Years-long scam? I wouldn't necessarily go that far. Unsure about how many years but it's clear Harper's quite cunning and manipulative. And there is some urgency involved in her scheming because he just cashed out, their marriage is sexless, he's not sexually attracted to her even in the most romantic setting, and she's on the wrong side of 30, which means tick-tock on her own beauty and fertility. There's a very long thread in the relationship forum about selfish men who steal a partner's fertility. This is a very real and very valid concern among women Harper's age. What are her prospects if they divorce? She gets a chunk of money, okay. Is her next husband a high status Yale tech titan? No. He's one in a million, she's a dime a dozen late 30s lawyer. How long does it take her to find a new husband? This would all fuel a survival instinct in her to do any and all things necessary to lure him back into her web. Attorneys, like actresses, are professional liars paid to manipulate an audience. Harper's a seasoned pro and she played her husband like a fiddle.

I am seriously concerned for your mental health. You honestly seem psychologically warped.

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Anonymous wrote:The most unrealistic thing on the show was how often Daphne was laying out in the direct sunlight without a hat.

No late-30s freckled blonde who cares about their skin is doing that.

Yup. Especially with so many umbrellas to be had and lovely beach assistants who could help with them.

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Anonymous wrote:Tanya’s last day was extremely tortured and her death was painful to watch.

Yeah, it was. She was so flustered. There were a million other choices she could have made, from tying the rope to the banister to finding a ladder but, I mean, as a woman her size (though a bit younger) you do start to feel a bit less agile as the years go by. Jumping off of a boat and then climbing into another isn't an easy feat.

It’s just too sad she doesn’t know boats have doors and layers and a low deck in the back. she didn’t even hit her head on the way down.

Yeah. I thought maybe she’d pop up because her head didn’t hit the boat. I didn’t want her to die

You didn’t hear the thud? We did.

I agree there was a thud although you don’t see it. But I was also waiting for her to open her eyes and struggle back to the surface. But I liked that ending for her- like Mike white said, she figures it out and fights her way out, then dies in a dumb way from her own incompetence (still asking about Greg’s affair). It seemed to work well with her character

+1 many of us thought she was the character with plot armor but there was really nowhere for her character to go. This ending was fitting. I agree Greg will be the connector next season, maybe he's married to a hot young thing for wife 5 and he becomes paranoid she's trying to off him.

Or the riches don't satisfy him the way he anticipated, especially if he has a recurrence and learns death is imminent after all.

Bleach on Greg.

Just have all new characters.

Or maybe it’s Coolidge who returns from death via ancient seance.

I like the idea of reuniting with Albie and Portia but they are a little young to lead a series focused on death/dying. I think Dom could do it. He seems to be in a contemplative stage of life

I agree that if there's a carryover it's likely Greg, but I would prefer Dom bc I love Michael Imperioli and I thought he was great in all his scenes

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Anonymous wrote:Tanya’s last day was extremely tortured and her death was painful to watch.

Yeah, it was. She was so flustered. There were a million other choices she could have made, from tying the rope to the banister to finding a ladder but, I mean, as a woman her size (though a bit younger) you do start to feel a bit less agile as the years go by. Jumping off of a boat and then climbing into another isn't an easy feat.

It’s just too sad she doesn’t know boats have doors and layers and a low deck in the back. she didn’t even hit her head on the way down.

Yeah. I thought maybe she’d pop up because her head didn’t hit the boat. I didn’t want her to die

You didn’t hear the thud? We did.

I agree there was a thud although you don’t see it. But I was also waiting for her to open her eyes and struggle back to the surface. But I liked that ending for her- like Mike white said, she figures it out and fights her way out, then dies in a dumb way from her own incompetence (still asking about Greg’s affair). It seemed to work well with her character

+1 many of us thought she was the character with plot armor but there was really nowhere for her character to go. This ending was fitting. I agree Greg will be the connector next season, maybe he's married to a hot young thing for wife 5 and he becomes paranoid she's trying to off him.

Or the riches don't satisfy him the way he anticipated, especially if he has a recurrence and learns death is imminent after all.

Bleach on Greg.

Just have all new characters.

Or maybe it’s Coolidge who returns from death via ancient seance.

How are you feeling now that the Albie Ethan thing didn't pan out? Do you question Mike White's judgment in not including your brilliant plot hack?

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I can't remember where I read this but in some chat someone said the next season will actually be set in the Maldives and they'll bring back Cameron and Daphne, since they had that line "can't wait til next trip to the Maldives!" I wouldn't be surprised since Daphne was such an amazing character. I'd watch a show just of her traipsing around a strip mall.

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Some great analysis about the show and characters. I was in the camp that found the characters hard to warm to in the beginning but they gradually few on me.

Generally satisfied with the ending and the way they resolved tensions and plot twists.

However the two young hookers playing Alvie to get $50k euros , playing Valentina to get piano gig, beinf best friends with the hotel
Doorman who pretended to be an abusive pimp and being best friends with each other is not credible.

Sex trafficking of teen girls is a huge world wide problem and no less so here in the DMV. Not really comfortable with showing the young hookers as getting out of all their exploits with zero complications or actual dangers.

Mike White said he conceived of that plot line as basically Laverne & Shirley, with these two girls trying to con their way into parties to which they were not invited, and you route for them because they are funny and good hearted and have a good attitude. And that's basically what they were.

I think my favorite storyline wound up being Mia and Valentina, and I wish we could have seen Mia taking Valentina out to the clubs to meet her hot lesbian friends. I really liked that the season starts out with Valentina angrily trying to throw the girls out of the hotel and only reluctantly letting them stay when Dom intervenes, only for them to ultimately be exactly what Valentina needs to change her life for the better.

I also think people got too hung up on the "rules" of season one, which was more explicitly about class, and assumed that all the rich people would again get away with everything and the hotel staff or low SES characters would pay the prices, as in the first season. But this season was about sex, and the power of sex, and while in the long run Mia and Portia are unlikely to come out ahead, this season did show how being young and beautiful and willing to exploit sex for your own gains can pay off. For now.

That definitely made me get most of my predictions wrong. I did not think Tanya would die, and I definitely did not think things were going to work out perfectly for Mia/Valentina

It is definitely a very sunny portrayal of prostitution. Not saying prostitution is always terrible, but a situation like that (happy, independent, well-adjusted women getting what they need by manipulating men) is probably one in a million. That storyline reminded me that this show was written by a man

Agreed. Also the hooker-with-a-heart-of-gold-and-no-stis is such a boring trope, even if the actresses did a great job with it.

Jack's story was actually a much more realistic portrayal of prostitution

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I think the 3 DiGrasso men plotline had the most "dropped" threads. I really thought that we were moving towards a confrontation involving Lucia and some combination of the three of them over her scam to get the money. Or a fight between Albie and Dom when Albie discovers that Dom was a Lucia client. Or a fight between Albie and Cameron when Albie tries to get Lucia her money. Or Dom's wife shows up and finds out that the girls are registered guests on the room. Or something

I don't hate how it turned out, and I enjoyed the Albie/Portia reunion, but it seemed like a lot of buildup for kind of a nothing ending for that crew

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Agreed, but I don't think many people here are arguing that Harper is perfect or had no flaws. It's that some people are pointing out that she's not a total villain with no redeeming qualities and that (1) she might actually love her husband, and (2) she might have some positive qualities that make him love her. And there is one person on here who has decided that we're all idiots who are obsessed with Aubrey Plaza because obviously Harper is a vicious and manipulative harpy.

That is true though. Plaza is the most famous character, especially to all the millennials obsessed with White Lotus. Young people are captivated by her and think she's so witty and funny and totally them, so you don't want to acknowledge even the possibility that she's just as much of a ruthless striver, manipulator and conniver as everyone else on the show. To me, the only pure leading character was Bert.

No, it's not true. People are pointing out that Harper was flawed and complicated, like all the white lotus characters, but not a one-dimensional villain. Meanwhile you keep insisting she is in fact a total villain running a years-long scam aimed at getting Ethan's money when every indication is that, despite her flaws, she married Ethan as an equal partner and just wanted a normal UMC life with a loving husband and some kids and a job.

Years-long scam? I wouldn't necessarily go that far. Unsure about how many years but it's clear Harper's quite cunning and manipulative. And there is some urgency involved in her scheming because he just cashed out, their marriage is sexless, he's not sexually attracted to her even in the most romantic setting, and she's on the wrong side of 30, which means tick-tock on her own beauty and fertility. There's a very long thread in the relationship forum about selfish men who steal a partner's fertility. This is a very real and very valid concern among women Harper's age. What are her prospects if they divorce? She gets a chunk of money, okay. Is her next husband a high status Yale tech titan? No. He's one in a million, she's a dime a dozen late 30s lawyer. How long does it take her to find a new husband? This would all fuel a survival instinct in her to do any and all things necessary to lure him back into her web. Attorneys, like actresses, are professional liars paid to manipulate an audience. Harper's a seasoned pro and she played her husband like a fiddle.

The funniest part of this is that you keep trying to tell a message board full of lawyers that you know Harper was manipulating Ethan because she is - wait for it - a lawyer. CASE CLOSED

By "message board full of lawyers" you mean paralegals, de facto unemployed doc review proles, and bottom of their class law students who became wfh gs-nobodies, who are so secure in their life they seize on a forum typo and can post about an HBO soap opera all work day? Yeah, super prestigious high-powered lawyers. We are all very impressed.

No, this message board has lots of actual lawyers. Lawyers watch tv shows and procrastinate and waste time at work too. Sorry if that upsets you.

Upset? We are all in awe and so impressed by brilliant legal minds who have the idle time to come to the defense of some lawyer whore on TV who likely exposed her pushover husband to insurable HSV-2 herpes (and all sorts of other fun incurable disease) after a tryst with his disgusting college roommate. But she's so sarcastic and snarky, what's not to like!

"Lawyer whore"? Omg. You are so deeply unhinged

Also, if Ethan slept with Daphne (which he did) he was already choosing to expose himself to any disease Cameron has.

That happened after, if at all. There is zero doubt Harper flirted with and then boned Cameron (to torment her husband).

There actually is doubt as to whether Harper had penetrative sex with Cameron. We were not given a clear answer on that either way. Whereas we were given a much clearer indication that Ethan had sex with Daphne.

I don't think in either of these examples it was at all clear what happened--that was the point. People project their own beliefs, insecurities, etc. onto these situations. Hence the frothing-at-the-mouth Harper-hating incel troll.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't remember where I read this but in some chat someone said the next season will actually be set in the Maldives and they'll bring back Cameron and Daphne, since they had that line "can't wait til next trip to the Maldives!" I wouldn't be surprised since Daphne was such an amazing character. I'd watch a show just of her traipsing around a strip mall.

Daphne was a really compelling character, I agree. Although part of what made her compelling but not knowing for sure what her game was/what the deal was with the marriage, and I feel like we got somewhat of a reveal at the end. So I'm not sure I would find another season of them as interesting

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Anonymous wrote:I can't remember where I read this but in some chat someone said the next season will actually be set in the Maldives and they'll bring back Cameron and Daphne, since they had that line "can't wait til next trip to the Maldives!" I wouldn't be surprised since Daphne was such an amazing character. I'd watch a show just of her traipsing around a strip mall.

Daphne was a really compelling character, I agree. Although part of what made her compelling but not knowing for sure what her game was/what the deal was with the marriage, and I feel like we got somewhat of a reveal at the end. So I'm not sure I would find another season of them as interesting

I don't know why everyone found her so compelling. She basically just bleated her "I'm not a victim. Do you what you need to do" mantra over and over again. She seemed pretty one-note to me.

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Anonymous wrote:No way Greg’s getting that inheritance (if they even show it, which I doubt they would). The circumstances around Tonya’s death are far too suspicious, and Portia will piece together what happened and likely tell the cops. Also they have the framed photo of Greg at the crime scene which will be used as evidence of some sort.

Although Tonya died in a dumb way (befitting her character), I still am satisfied that she thwarted Greg/Quentin’s plan.

Dollars to donuts in season 3 we hear somehow (Portia anyone?) that the inheritance didn’t go to Greg so next in line was the lady at the spa at the White Lotus Hawaii so she could open her wellness center.

I LOVE THIS.

And the 50k euros went to open that shop Lucia and Mia had talked about.

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Agreed, but I don't think many people here are arguing that Harper is perfect or had no flaws. It's that some people are pointing out that she's not a total villain with no redeeming qualities and that (1) she might actually love her husband, and (2) she might have some positive qualities that make him love her. And there is one person on here who has decided that we're all idiots who are obsessed with Aubrey Plaza because obviously Harper is a vicious and manipulative harpy.

That is true though. Plaza is the most famous character, especially to all the millennials obsessed with White Lotus. Young people are captivated by her and think she's so witty and funny and totally them, so you don't want to acknowledge even the possibility that she's just as much of a ruthless striver, manipulator and conniver as everyone else on the show. To me, the only pure leading character was Bert.

No, it's not true. People are pointing out that Harper was flawed and complicated, like all the white lotus characters, but not a one-dimensional villain. Meanwhile you keep insisting she is in fact a total villain running a years-long scam aimed at getting Ethan's money when every indication is that, despite her flaws, she married Ethan as an equal partner and just wanted a normal UMC life with a loving husband and some kids and a job.

Years-long scam? I wouldn't necessarily go that far. Unsure about how many years but it's clear Harper's quite cunning and manipulative. And there is some urgency involved in her scheming because he just cashed out, their marriage is sexless, he's not sexually attracted to her even in the most romantic setting, and she's on the wrong side of 30, which means tick-tock on her own beauty and fertility. There's a very long thread in the relationship forum about selfish men who steal a partner's fertility. This is a very real and very valid concern among women Harper's age. What are her prospects if they divorce? She gets a chunk of money, okay. Is her next husband a high status Yale tech titan? No. He's one in a million, she's a dime a dozen late 30s lawyer. How long does it take her to find a new husband? This would all fuel a survival instinct in her to do any and all things necessary to lure him back into her web. Attorneys, like actresses, are professional liars paid to manipulate an audience. Harper's a seasoned pro and she played her husband like a fiddle.

The funniest part of this is that you keep trying to tell a message board full of lawyers that you know Harper was manipulating Ethan because she is - wait for it - a lawyer. CASE CLOSED

By "message board full of lawyers" you mean paralegals, de facto unemployed doc review proles, and bottom of their class law students who became wfh gs-nobodies, who are so secure in their life they seize on a forum typo and can post about an HBO soap opera all work day? Yeah, super prestigious high-powered lawyers. We are all very impressed.

No, this message board has lots of actual lawyers. Lawyers watch tv shows and procrastinate and waste time at work too. Sorry if that upsets you.

Upset? We are all in awe and so impressed by brilliant legal minds who have the idle time to come to the defense of some lawyer whore on TV who likely exposed her pushover husband to insurable HSV-2 herpes (and all sorts of other fun incurable disease) after a tryst with his disgusting college roommate. But she's so sarcastic and snarky, what's not to like!

"Lawyer whore"? Omg. You are so deeply unhinged

Also, if Ethan slept with Daphne (which he did) he was already choosing to expose himself to any disease Cameron has.

That happened after, if at all. There is zero doubt Harper flirted with and then boned Cameron (to torment her husband).

There actually is doubt as to whether Harper had penetrative sex with Cameron. We were not given a clear answer on that either way. Whereas we were given a much clearer indication that Ethan had sex with Daphne.

I don't think in either of these examples it was at all clear what happened--that was the point. People project their own beliefs, insecurities, etc. onto these situations. Hence the frothing-at-the-mouth Harper-hating incel troll.

I'm happily married and have never cheated on my husband. And I don't defend or rationalize immoral sleazy television characters who do. When you do come to the spirited defense of such distasteful (but sardonic and witty!) characters, I think we all know why.