Any other families finally had enough of DC?

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Anonymous wrote:Jeff should change the name of this website to Hysterical DC Urban Moms Who Should Be Clutching Their Pearls in the Suburbs.

DCUM: Where we take pride in our crime rates!

Right? The “if you don’t like crime, then you belong in the suburbs” mentality is so trite and played out.

The premise of this thread is literally "any other families finally had enough of DC?". It's hardly a stretch to infer that some of you would be happier in the suburbs. Was that not OP's point? DP.

Deciding where to live a complex, multifaceted, and interesting topic. Empty “if you don’t like crime, move to the suburbs” comments are just goofy and don’t contribute anything meaningful. I suspect they’re mostly made by naive city dwellers without children and people who just generally have low standards in life.

This, maybe? I was born in DC (not the Upper Caucasia part) and I sometimes wonder if these posters really hear what they’re saying. I get that they’re trying to be cool urbanites showing off their street cred, but taking any issue with crime rates=take to the Beltway?

Alrighty.

And it’s insulting to all the community leaders who worked so hard, particularly through the 60s-90s, to fight for change in DC. Imagine if they had taken on the same attitude.

Seriously, people. Try harder. It’s easy to be like “oh big deal” until it’s your kid shot in a botched robbery, or you’re pistol-whipped for your bag.

Do better, expect better.

+1. Such a good point. I suspect a lot of these commenters actually grew up in and probably still live in safe neighborhoods. And they somehow think they are fighting for social justice by acting like crime in other families’ neighborhoods isn’t a big deal.

My suspicion is that they grew up in UMC and mostly white suburbs somewhere else and are here for their “urban experience” before they settle down and move back to where they came from or similar. No skin in the game.

You can think crime in other neighborhoods matters and is a big deal — and be appalled by it and agitate for policies that address it — but also recognize that it’s very unlikely to be a reason you personally need to move, though, which is sort of the topic of this thread. If crime is rising citywide but I’m unlikely to be a victim of it, why would that be a reason for me to feel like I’ve “had enough of D.C.,” as the title puts it? Of course, I’m also not sure how deciding you’ve had enough and want to move away does anything more to fix the underlying problems than saying it won’t affect your life personally does.

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Well, that may be true but I wouldn't brag too much about it. I love DC but even I have to admit the amenities in some of the suburbs are just much better and better delivered.

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Well, that may be true but I wouldn't brag too much about it. I love DC but even I have to admit the amenities in some of the suburbs are just much better and better delivered.

Property taxes in DC are significantly lower than MD. DC instead has a higher tax rate on income. As a result, DC does heavily tax wealthy people and prefer to tax wage earners. Another way to put it is that DC tax policy favors idle wealth and discourages work.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost all homicides in DC are among persons known to each other. In other words, if you don't hang out with criminals and drug dealers, you don't have to worry about being murdered. A typical UMC white woman is at a greater risk of being murdered by the man sleeping in her bed than a stranger on the streets of DC.

What about armed carjackings? This was a rarity in my neighborhood and now I feel like there is one every week if not more.

Don't leave your car running unattended in the middle of the road because you can't be bothered to find a parking space to pick up your food delivery order. That alone would eliminate 90% of the carjackings in the city -- not to mention keep traffic flowing.

Or .... we could respect each other’s personal property I am not goi g to steal your car because it’s running and has the keys in it. But I was raised that way, wait a minute, no forget it.

+1. Right? I have so many family members who live in places where they don’t have to constantly keep track of whether they locked all the doors and did all of the other things to fortify the home for another day.

What gets me and is also simultaneously a good indicator that things are getting bad is that like this PP, people blame the victims of crime like its their fault. Like every should just expect that the entire world outside of our door is just out to get us. It's incredible frankly.

These people are all like, "durr, durr, its your fault that you had your car stolen with your baby in it while you were loading your groceries, it should not have been running to give your baby a/c and a place to rest because you don't have four hands" and "durr, durr, if you don't want someone to pickpocket you then you should have zippers with locks on them like smart people do, get a clue" or "durr, durr, if you don't want to get clipped by stray bullets in your own home then you should always wear a bullet proof vest. otherwise if you get shot its your fault".

How about we blame the criminals and not the crime victims? There are too many people in this city making excuses for criminals.

DC native who left for suburbia a few years ago (though more for school/space reasons than crime). Shortly after we moved, I saw a kid’s bike left for several days on one of our neighborhood trails. My mind was blown that it stayed there for so long.

This my kid leaves his $500+ outside for days at a time. My cousin’s DS got bike jacked while out and about in DC. They live in a “good” neighborhood. The schools are incredibly bad, even the good ones are amongst the worst in the county, serous random acts of violence and property crimes occur in all corners of the city. I understand why young childless people gravitate towards the city I don’t understand why families do or why they stay.

I am born in DC and actually think that in the last 20 years it has become a decent place to raise a family. I credit charter schools + the lottery system with a lot of this. There is just enough ability for people to exert some school choice that they don't feel 'trapped" like in the days of yore. There are a variety of "good' schools, some free, some not--I hope this helps you understand why people would choose to raise a family here. However, the Council + Mayor's current policies are very San Francisco and I agree it is getting less so. The crime this year has been appalling, the school system broke (and why they didn't use this time to seriously refurb both physical plants and some glaring curricular gaps I'll never know), the focus on development above everything else will simply create more boxy condos--not livable infrastructure. I agree, we may see the past 20 years as a time when for some it was a great place to raise a family. For the record, we are moving. We loved the ability to walk this past year so DC compared well to a few other East Coast cities with its broad, canopied streets--but you can find that all over America and its on the developers grind list anyway. Meanwhile, DC is pretty boring and I am starting to sense that some of the stuff we were 'grateful for' is commonplace elsewhere.

I'm sorry, but the bolded is just such lazy thought. If you find it boring (and yes, I've lived in bigger cities), you're not really trying.

If you are not a U street hipster or a super connected politico type, DC has no buzz. Have you ever walked around and looked at people's sour faces? Yikes. Thank god for the streeteries but it took a pandemic to nudge that into being. DC is boring . With development, it's just going to be boring with ever more concrete and people. It's something in the water. - from here

So if you are from here, and it's boring, and you're still here, why?

That's on you. Not DC.

We are leaving. Yes, it's on me. Leaving asap. Keeping our dwelling and hoping "I'm staying" folks like you keep the property prices up. But we will keep an eye on that. I can't see how any of the recent council /mayor moves on development (haphazard, rushed), schools (neglected AGAIN), crime (rising) will support that.

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Anonymous wrote:Jeff should change the name of this website to Hysterical DC Urban Moms Who Should Be Clutching Their Pearls in the Suburbs.

DCUM: Where we take pride in our crime rates!

Right? The “if you don’t like crime, then you belong in the suburbs” mentality is so trite and played out.

The premise of this thread is literally "any other families finally had enough of DC?". It's hardly a stretch to infer that some of you would be happier in the suburbs. Was that not OP's point? DP.

Deciding where to live a complex, multifaceted, and interesting topic. Empty “if you don’t like crime, move to the suburbs” comments are just goofy and don’t contribute anything meaningful. I suspect they’re mostly made by naive city dwellers without children and people who just generally have low standards in life.

This, maybe? I was born in DC (not the Upper Caucasia part) and I sometimes wonder if these posters really hear what they’re saying. I get that they’re trying to be cool urbanites showing off their street cred, but taking any issue with crime rates=take to the Beltway?

Alrighty.

And it’s insulting to all the community leaders who worked so hard, particularly through the 60s-90s, to fight for change in DC. Imagine if they had taken on the same attitude.

Seriously, people. Try harder. It’s easy to be like “oh big deal” until it’s your kid shot in a botched robbery, or you’re pistol-whipped for your bag.

Do better, expect better.

+1. Such a good point. I suspect a lot of these commenters actually grew up in and probably still live in safe neighborhoods. And they somehow think they are fighting for social justice by acting like crime in other families’ neighborhoods isn’t a big deal.

My suspicion is that they grew up in UMC and mostly white suburbs somewhere else and are here for their “urban experience” before they settle down and move back to where they came from or similar. No skin in the game.

That totally describes an old friend of mine, who grew up in wealthy suburbs and thought living in the city was the only way to go for sophisticated and cosmopolitan people like her. That lasted until she got married and moved out to a McMansion in McLean.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff should change the name of this website to Hysterical DC Urban Moms Who Should Be Clutching Their Pearls in the Suburbs.

DCUM: Where we take pride in our crime rates!

Right? The “if you don’t like crime, then you belong in the suburbs” mentality is so trite and played out.

The premise of this thread is literally "any other families finally had enough of DC?". It's hardly a stretch to infer that some of you would be happier in the suburbs. Was that not OP's point? DP.

Deciding where to live a complex, multifaceted, and interesting topic. Empty “if you don’t like crime, move to the suburbs” comments are just goofy and don’t contribute anything meaningful. I suspect they’re mostly made by naive city dwellers without children and people who just generally have low standards in life.

This, maybe? I was born in DC (not the Upper Caucasia part) and I sometimes wonder if these posters really hear what they’re saying. I get that they’re trying to be cool urbanites showing off their street cred, but taking any issue with crime rates=take to the Beltway?

Alrighty.

And it’s insulting to all the community leaders who worked so hard, particularly through the 60s-90s, to fight for change in DC. Imagine if they had taken on the same attitude.

Seriously, people. Try harder. It’s easy to be like “oh big deal” until it’s your kid shot in a botched robbery, or you’re pistol-whipped for your bag.

Do better, expect better.

+1. Such a good point. I suspect a lot of these commenters actually grew up in and probably still live in safe neighborhoods. And they somehow think they are fighting for social justice by acting like crime in other families’ neighborhoods isn’t a big deal.

My suspicion is that they grew up in UMC and mostly white suburbs somewhere else and are here for their “urban experience” before they settle down and move back to where they came from or similar. No skin in the game.

That totally describes an old friend of mine, who grew up in wealthy suburbs and thought living in the city was the only way to go for sophisticated and cosmopolitan people like her. That lasted until she got married and moved out to a McMansion in McLean.

It’s an absolute type.

My strongest belief is that most people who get married and have kids end up wanting to raise those kids in an environment similar to what they were raised in. The protypical Millennial story would be: grow up in suburb, go off to college, after college move to city, get married and stay in city until pregnant, once pregnant move to suburbs to raise their kids.

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Yeah, happens everywhere. Typical migration pattern of Winnetka-College-Ukrainian Village-Glencoe

Potomac-College-Petworth-Bethesda

Bloomfield Hills-College-Greektown-Rochester Hills

No surprises

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OP and all others I was born and raised in dc when it was chocolate city. Lived through crack era and Marion Barry if you want to leave then you have to go maybe city life is not what you thought and now maybe the cost of housing will not rise as quickly and working class people can survive!

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Anonymous wrote:Jeff should change the name of this website to Hysterical DC Urban Moms Who Should Be Clutching Their Pearls in the Suburbs.

DCUM: Where we take pride in our crime rates!

Right? The “if you don’t like crime, then you belong in the suburbs” mentality is so trite and played out.

The premise of this thread is literally "any other families finally had enough of DC?". It's hardly a stretch to infer that some of you would be happier in the suburbs. Was that not OP's point? DP.

Deciding where to live a complex, multifaceted, and interesting topic. Empty “if you don’t like crime, move to the suburbs” comments are just goofy and don’t contribute anything meaningful. I suspect they’re mostly made by naive city dwellers without children and people who just generally have low standards in life.

This, maybe? I was born in DC (not the Upper Caucasia part) and I sometimes wonder if these posters really hear what they’re saying. I get that they’re trying to be cool urbanites showing off their street cred, but taking any issue with crime rates=take to the Beltway?

Alrighty.

And it’s insulting to all the community leaders who worked so hard, particularly through the 60s-90s, to fight for change in DC. Imagine if they had taken on the same attitude.

Seriously, people. Try harder. It’s easy to be like “oh big deal” until it’s your kid shot in a botched robbery, or you’re pistol-whipped for your bag.

Do better, expect better.

+1. Such a good point. I suspect a lot of these commenters actually grew up in and probably still live in safe neighborhoods. And they somehow think they are fighting for social justice by acting like crime in other families’ neighborhoods isn’t a big deal.

I don’t think it’s the crime that drives families away. It’s the lack of crime enforcement that frustrates parents. When the government tolerates criminal, often, violent behavior, the social contract is broken.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff should change the name of this website to Hysterical DC Urban Moms Who Should Be Clutching Their Pearls in the Suburbs.

DCUM: Where we take pride in our crime rates!

Right? The “if you don’t like crime, then you belong in the suburbs” mentality is so trite and played out.

The premise of this thread is literally "any other families finally had enough of DC?". It's hardly a stretch to infer that some of you would be happier in the suburbs. Was that not OP's point? DP.

Deciding where to live a complex, multifaceted, and interesting topic. Empty “if you don’t like crime, move to the suburbs” comments are just goofy and don’t contribute anything meaningful. I suspect they’re mostly made by naive city dwellers without children and people who just generally have low standards in life.

This, maybe? I was born in DC (not the Upper Caucasia part) and I sometimes wonder if these posters really hear what they’re saying. I get that they’re trying to be cool urbanites showing off their street cred, but taking any issue with crime rates=take to the Beltway?

Alrighty.

And it’s insulting to all the community leaders who worked so hard, particularly through the 60s-90s, to fight for change in DC. Imagine if they had taken on the same attitude.

Seriously, people. Try harder. It’s easy to be like “oh big deal” until it’s your kid shot in a botched robbery, or you’re pistol-whipped for your bag.

Do better, expect better.

+1. Such a good point. I suspect a lot of these commenters actually grew up in and probably still live in safe neighborhoods. And they somehow think they are fighting for social justice by acting like crime in other families’ neighborhoods isn’t a big deal.

I don’t think it’s the crime that drives families away. It’s the lack of crime enforcement that frustrates parents. When the government tolerates criminal, often, violent behavior, the social contract is broken.

Very sadly, this is an example of the social contract being broken. This was not necessarily a random crime in the sense there has been a significant erosion of serious policing in the past 18 months. Many more violent crimes are either not reported to the police or are underreported by the press. Thoughts and prayers to this family.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/mother-child-shot-by-stranger-in-northwest-dc/2676295/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff should change the name of this website to Hysterical DC Urban Moms Who Should Be Clutching Their Pearls in the Suburbs.

DCUM: Where we take pride in our crime rates!

Right? The “if you don’t like crime, then you belong in the suburbs” mentality is so trite and played out.

The premise of this thread is literally "any other families finally had enough of DC?". It's hardly a stretch to infer that some of you would be happier in the suburbs. Was that not OP's point? DP.

Deciding where to live a complex, multifaceted, and interesting topic. Empty “if you don’t like crime, move to the suburbs” comments are just goofy and don’t contribute anything meaningful. I suspect they’re mostly made by naive city dwellers without children and people who just generally have low standards in life.

This, maybe? I was born in DC (not the Upper Caucasia part) and I sometimes wonder if these posters really hear what they’re saying. I get that they’re trying to be cool urbanites showing off their street cred, but taking any issue with crime rates=take to the Beltway?

Alrighty.

And it’s insulting to all the community leaders who worked so hard, particularly through the 60s-90s, to fight for change in DC. Imagine if they had taken on the same attitude.

Seriously, people. Try harder. It’s easy to be like “oh big deal” until it’s your kid shot in a botched robbery, or you’re pistol-whipped for your bag.

Do better, expect better.

+1. Such a good point. I suspect a lot of these commenters actually grew up in and probably still live in safe neighborhoods. And they somehow think they are fighting for social justice by acting like crime in other families’ neighborhoods isn’t a big deal.

I don’t think it’s the crime that drives families away. It’s the lack of crime enforcement that frustrates parents. When the government tolerates criminal, often, violent behavior, the social contract is broken.

Very sadly, this is an example of the social contract being broken. This was not necessarily a random crime in the sense there has been a significant erosion of serious policing in the past 18 months. Many more violent crimes are either not reported to the police or are underreported by the press. Thoughts and prayers to this family.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/mother-child-shot-by-stranger-in-northwest-dc/2676295/

Jesus. Who shoots a mom and four year old playing in their front yard? So much for all the crime apologists constantly claiming you’re safe as long as you don’t hang out with the bad guys or whatever.

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Anonymous wrote:After almost three decades here I’ve reached my limit. My primary concern is crime. I no longer feel safe in my own neighborhood and do not want to raise a family here. Anyone else feel the same?

Hilarious.

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Anonymous wrote:Grey was a very good one term mayor.

This is all on Bowser.

Agree

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Anonymous wrote:Jeff should change the name of this website to Hysterical DC Urban Moms Who Should Be Clutching Their Pearls in the Suburbs.

DCUM: Where we take pride in our crime rates!

Right? The “if you don’t like crime, then you belong in the suburbs” mentality is so trite and played out.

The premise of this thread is literally "any other families finally had enough of DC?". It's hardly a stretch to infer that some of you would be happier in the suburbs. Was that not OP's point? DP.

Deciding where to live a complex, multifaceted, and interesting topic. Empty “if you don’t like crime, move to the suburbs” comments are just goofy and don’t contribute anything meaningful. I suspect they’re mostly made by naive city dwellers without children and people who just generally have low standards in life.

This, maybe? I was born in DC (not the Upper Caucasia part) and I sometimes wonder if these posters really hear what they’re saying. I get that they’re trying to be cool urbanites showing off their street cred, but taking any issue with crime rates=take to the Beltway?

Alrighty.

And it’s insulting to all the community leaders who worked so hard, particularly through the 60s-90s, to fight for change in DC. Imagine if they had taken on the same attitude.

Seriously, people. Try harder. It’s easy to be like “oh big deal” until it’s your kid shot in a botched robbery, or you’re pistol-whipped for your bag.

Do better, expect better.

+1. Such a good point. I suspect a lot of these commenters actually grew up in and probably still live in safe neighborhoods. And they somehow think they are fighting for social justice by acting like crime in other families’ neighborhoods isn’t a big deal.

I don’t think it’s the crime that drives families away. It’s the lack of crime enforcement that frustrates parents. When the government tolerates criminal, often, violent behavior, the social contract is broken.

Very sadly, this is an example of the social contract being broken. This was not necessarily a random crime in the sense there has been a significant erosion of serious policing in the past 18 months. Many more violent crimes are either not reported to the police or are underreported by the press. Thoughts and prayers to this family.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/mother-child-shot-by-stranger-in-northwest-dc/2676295/

Jesus. Who shoots a mom and four year old playing in their front yard? So much for all the crime apologists constantly claiming you’re safe as long as you don’t hang out with the bad guys or whatever.

Someone who has never faced any consequences and likely never will while in DC.