Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?

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It is reasonable to argue that no matter what George Floyd's medical history was, no matter whether he was an opioid abuser, what his physical status was in terms of being considered large and therefore dangerous or whether or not he had passed a bad dollar bill. Chauvin sat on George Floyd's neck for nine minutes while George was handcuffed. Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd.

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

I strongly disagree. The police officer had a history of being rough with suspects. He used a choke technique that was completely uncalled for, and especially for that length of time. Objectively, he knew doing it for that long would potentially kill someone, and it did. Whether or not he was in a daze of a power trip or reflexively acted against the wishes of everyone around him, does not matter - as others have stated, he should have been master of the situation, controlled his punitive and contrarian urges, and he wasn't and didn't. He is absolutely guilty of second degree murder, the worst charge brought against him.

If the defendant has done this before and didn’t kill anyone then it increases the chances that people will see this as an accident. Especially since Floyd was obviously the biggest/strongest person he’s ever needed to arrest.

That's bullshit. Chauvin worked off-duty in clubs, so he has dealt with drunken brawny men before. Floyd was 6'3, he's not that big. Chauvis 5'9. So if he could not do his job without killing someone because he is such a shorty- twerp ass, he should have found another line of work.

Nice. You can't attack his character, so you have to attack his physical attributes? That's very low.

Eh. I’m comfortable attacking his character also.

But you didn't. You chose to attack his physical appearance, which actually isn't even that short--5'9" is average height for males in the US. There are many GREAT men out there that are that height or shorter.
You are a bully, no better than Chauvin.

I’m actually not the person who mocked him for being short; I just think the idea that someone “cannot attack Chauvin’s character” is bizarre. He murdered a person; his character is on the record and it’s not good.

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Exactly! The pp who mocked him for being short is a bully! There are plenty of reasons to criticize Chauvin, and she/he chose to criticize him for being of average height. Not for his wrong choices.

OH woe is me. Screw you PP. You are merely obfuscating and trying to switch the narrative. Oh, you are such a bully because you called me short. Not fair. Wah, wah. You are also a bloody hypocrite too. I am the one who mentioned Chauvin's height. I mentioned Chauvin's height because his attorney kept emphasizing the victim, remember him, George Floyd's height. One of the defense's arguments is that George was taller and larger than Chauvin and that was the reason for Chauvin murdering him. If Chauvin believes that his height is a disadvantage in his profession, Chauvin needed to be in a different profession., because obviously both he and his attorney are now claiming how short he is as a defense. So you need to get over your BS.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t George say ‘He couldn’t get up, he would if he could’, to Mr. McMillian when he told him to just get in the car.
Another sign that he was not a threat.

Floyd must have been a threat at some point though. Why the need to restrain then? No way should Chauvin have attempted or have been expected to do this alone though. Why didn’t any other officer assist?

Ha. Floyd was never a threat. He was handcuffed as soon as he exited his car. Mind you, Floyd was never identified as the person who passed a counterfeit bill. A counterfeit bill was never taken into custody. Floyd was never told why he was being handcuffed and arrested. And there was know information to ascertain whether Floyd knew the bill was counterfeit. The police fuccked this up from beginning to end.

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Anonymous wrote:Except I believe it was stated George had overdosed a few months prior

On the witness stand, Floyd’s girlfriend at the same time said she brought him to the hospital in March at his request, believing he had overdosed. I’m not sure what records exist from that visit that could or would come into court. Obviously he didn’t overdose and die on that date. We know that Floyd was not a naive user of opioids. Without knowing more about what exists from that date or what would be ruled admissible, it’s hard to say but could go either way. If he had higher or comparable levels of fentanyl in his system and there’s a record of that, that could certainly hurt the defense. I don’t recall any significant discussion of that in pretrial. There was significant discussion of the 2019 arrest and statements made towards Floyd during EMS response while taking his vitals. Defense wanted that to come in.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t George say ‘He couldn’t get up, he would if he could’, to Mr. McMillian when he told him to just get in the car.
Another sign that he was not a threat.

Floyd must have been a threat at some point though. Why the need to restrain then? No way should Chauvin have attempted or have been expected to do this alone though. Why didn’t any other officer assist?

He was hand-cuffed because he was being arrested for a fake 20 dollar bill.

How did Floyd end up on the ground and why? Where were the other officers?

Are people asking these ridiculous questions actually watching the trial?

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Anonymous wrote:Floyd, right at the very beginning of the body cam video was very combative stating that he was claustrophobic and requested to sit in the front of the patrol car. He went on to say he wasn’t a bad guy and couldn’t breathe and his wrists hurt. He was fighting the cops the entire time. At the end if the body cam video where Floyd was exiting the patrol car onto the ground I heard someone say “heart attack” unsure whose words they were.

He also begged the officer to stay with him, do not leave him. That's not combative. That's extreme anxiety and those dumb asses could not asses the difference. What happened to calling a van. Nothing prevented them from calling a van. Minneapolis had vans at the time. With the cage in the police cruiser, Floyd's knees were in his chest. Ridiculous

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Anonymous wrote:And I’m wondering if the fact that Chauvin was of smaller stature and weight in comparison to Floyd’s height and physique, made it personal and a power trip.

I also, having followed he trial and saw the videos, think that Chauvin might have known G.Floyd because one of the bystanders has seen Chauvin five days ago in the area, so it seems the police was frequently around in the neighborhood and because of his physique (and maybe drug use), he may have stood out.

Chauvin did not have his hands in the pocket but he had black gloves and his hand towards the upper thigh.

Chauvin and Floyd worked in the same club. Chauvin as an off-duty officer and Floyd a bouncer.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have just let Floyd go, who cares what petty crimes he’s committing. That is the answer.

+1. Good policing would have been not getting into this situation in the first place.

Exactly. Yeah, DH said he has actually had a similar incident as a LEO. He said that it is too much paperwork and he did not understand the arrest for such BS. In DH's case he said he took the suspect back into the store and made the suspect give the cigarettes back and DH took the counterfeit bill from the store manager. Everybody went home safe.

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

He kneeled on his neck for nearly 10 minutes. If someone closes your airway for 10 minutes, you will die, regardless of your previous health. People like you are hateful and disgusting. You will always find an excuse for a cop - this was murder, plain and simple.

As I said upthread - the goalposts keep moving. No one’s life was ever in danger here, with the exception of George Floyd.

You missed a word: WHITE should be inserted before cop. Then folks really fall all over themselves to justify why the cop killed someone.

The other officers weren’t white, where were they though when this was transpiring? Watching? Will they be called to stand as witnesses?

They have their own trials, so no they will not be called as witnesses. That is, unless the prosecution grants them a plea deal

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From testimony this morning:

[youtube]https://twitter.com/grace_hauck/status/1379097101276221441[/youtube]

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Sorry, I used the wrong tags in previous post.

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Dr. Bradford is the emergency room doctor that treated George Floyd when he arrived at the ER. He is also the doctor that pronounced him dead.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have just let Floyd go, who cares what petty crimes he’s committing. That is the answer.

+1. Good policing would have been not getting into this situation in the first place.

Exactly. Yeah, DH said he has actually had a similar incident as a LEO. He said that it is too much paperwork and he did not understand the arrest for such BS. In DH's case he said he took the suspect back into the store and made the suspect give the cigarettes back and DH took the counterfeit bill from the store manager. Everybody went home safe.

So what constitutes a "petty crime?" If you are the owner of the convenience store that gets frequently burned by customers passing counterfeit money, do you think you'd say it's "petty" and should just be let go?

What other crimes are so petty they should just be let go? And are you willing to volunteer to help/reimburse the victims of these "petty" crimes?

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Anonymous wrote:Dr. Bradford is the emergency room doctor that treated George Floyd when he arrived at the ER. He is also the doctor that pronounced him dead.

You can't offer him the respect of using his last name?

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Anonymous wrote:Dr. Bradford is the emergency room doctor that treated George Floyd when he arrived at the ER. He is also the doctor that pronounced him dead.

You can't offer him the respect of using his last name?

LOL It was an honest mistake, I read the tweet way too fast the first time. Besides, I don't think he cares how he is referred to on some mommy message board.