Teachers Not Wanting to Go Back in Person

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Anonymous wrote:Guys, I am one of the PPs - by Sept. most adult AND teachers should be vaccinated, right? So, my point is that at that point, there is no reason to not open schools and I cannot accept any further reasoning from teachers/ their union for not teaching in-person. Now, if you are a parent who does not want to send your kid to school, feel free to keep them home/ homeschool. But do NOT force the rest of us to do the same.


I agree.
FCPS Elementary Teacher


But seriously; those who want to go to school, let them go. Those who want to keep their kids home, let them do that too. It would be quite easy to arrange this. Kids studying from home could zoom in and watch the live instruction in class.


No. This is not so easy (unless the teacher ignores those watching) and is not very effective for those at home.

FCPS Elementary Teacher


I understand it requires some work, but it is doable; I heard so. At least those who want to be at school can. Another option is for teachers who are ready to go back to school teach those kids who want to go to school. And the teachers who want to keep teaching from home can teach the kids who prefer DL.


You heard so? What do you envision beyond a teacher lecturing to a class? I hope this is not how you picture an elementary school classroom.

I have been teaching from school since September. I wanted to go back face to face in September. Simply watching live classroom instruction from home doesn’t cut it. Teaching elementary students is not done in a lecture format and even that would not make watching from home effective long term. The students don’t interact. They leave their computer. The teacher’s attention is split between those in school and home. Have you tried to do what you envision with a class of 6, 7 or 8 year olds?
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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is: teachers needs to get vaccinated and get back to school and teach our kids. No more excuses and BS. I am a single Mom, working full time from home, and I am not my kids' teacher. It's impossible to work from home and supervise my two ES kids at the same time. How long do you teachers want to stay home and teach via DL? Like forever? It has been more than a year now. How are working parents supposed to work and not go crazy? Do teachers who do not want to go back to teach at school even care about the kids' development and mental health? C'mon !

“I work from home, but the bottom line is that other people should put themselves at risk because it’s more convenient for me.”


Yes, I am not a teacher. My kind of work is such that I can 100% do it from home. In fact, I can be sitting anywhere in the world and do it. Does not make a difference. Teaching ES kids is not that kind of work. ES Teachers need to be in school, teaching young kids. Just like doctors/ nurses/ bus drivers/ garbage people/ cashiers can not do their work from home, right? Why on earth would teachers be at risk once they are vaccinated? Please give me the reasons, and they better be good ones. Why are you trying to twist this about "my convenience"? Are you out of your mind? Don't you understand that this has a domino effect on society? Parents are not able to work and take care of their kids, we are not teachers. Teaching is a profession. Parents are getting mentally ill, and can take care of their kids even less. Kids are getting mental health issues. Kids are falling behind. Being out of school for 1.5-2 years is a big deal. So, don't make this about "my convenience".

“Getting mental health issues” lol. I’m going to assume English is not your first language and give you the benefit of the doubt. Teachers don’t exist to fix parent “mental health issues” or allow you to telework in peace. Our job is to assess students, provide tailored instruction, and monitor progress. In what world have students been out of school for 1.5-2 years? The pandemic only began a year ago.

This is all about your convenience. If you want to work in peace then hire someone to come work with your children for an hour or two a day to help with their work, just as people have been doing all year long. Put on headphones. It is not the school or the teachers’ fault that you are a single mother or mentally ill. Frankly? It is totally irrelevant.


You sound quite entitled for a teacher. Don't you care about the wellbeing of the kids you are in charge of teaching? Don't you get what I described above or you just don't care?
By Sept. it will be 1.5 years of DL. No-one said it was anyone's fault that I am a single Mom. I was just giving some examples and scenarios for those people who still do not understand why DL does not equal in-school education, like e.g. you it seems. And you are not my teacher (luckily), so you do not need to lecture my knowledge of English. If kids will not go back to school soon, an entire generation will have major issues with math, English etc etc. And yes, many kids are having mental issues, as parents too.

Don’t you care about the well-being of other people? No, right? You only care about yourself and your kids. It is the absolute epitome of entitlement to believe you deserve to work from the safety of your home while others put themselves unnecessarily at risk to better serve you. You aren’t worried that a child dies of COVID every 26 hours in the United States or any of the 1,536 people who died yesterday. Gross.


Some of you are either idiots or have reading comprehension issues. Did you really not understand what I wrote? I wrote "if schools do not open in September", after teachers and most adults will be vaccinated. How can it be risky at that point? You cannot be serious!




I guess you're looking in the mirror when you're talking about "idiots" who may "have reading comprehension issues." Because you certainly don't have a grasp on what is going on.

It is risky because the children won't have been vaccinated and they are known vectors - they are asymptomatic superspreaders. That makes them risky for vaccinated adults because no vaccine is 100% effective and no vaccine has even 50% efficacy for ALL of the current mutations let alone the new mutations that will occur over the next 6 months. THAT's why it is risky.

I don't understand what you don't understand about this. It really isn't that difficult to comprehend.

I'm a DIFFERENT POSTER by the way - just a newcomer wading into the fray.


Seriously? So how long would you like to stay in DL? 2-3 more years? I am curious.


For as long as it takes for the pandemic to no longer be a pandemic. I cannot believe you are even asking that question. It is a "duh" to me...and anyone who gives a fig about other people. A kid's education is NOT worth an adult's life. My husband and I will keep doing what we're doing. Our kids are thriving and we're having a great year.


It’s great that your kids are thriving. Can you imagine yourself in the shoes of a parent who’s child is not thriving with DL? Wouldn’t you want an option for your child that might work better like in person learning? Especially now that teachers are
vaccinated and there is information from all over the world that schools can have kids in buildings without causing increases in community spread and without killing people off. You seem to be the one that doesn’t care a fig about other people.


I have a child who had significant needs when they were little. We got outside services and spent a lot of time tutoring/supplementing. My child would thrive not because of in person or DL but because of our involvement.

We are at a low income school. The majority of low income schools choose to continue DL so your fake concern isn't valid. The low income have always had to figure out child care vs. pay and are the hardest hit with covid due to their jobs. DL can work but as a parent you need to put some effort into it.

And, for all the women saying its all on them. Well, get a divorce because you married a crappy husband and father. Many of our husbands/Dads are supervising DL and yours needs to step up and help.

Most kids I know who aren't thriving aren't logging in, going to the extra help sessions (often my child is the only one there) and participating in class. These kids would struggle in person to except people like you can just ignore it and not care as its easier when you cannot see it and the schools don't give numbers.
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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is: teachers needs to get vaccinated and get back to school and teach our kids. No more excuses and BS. I am a single Mom, working full time from home, and I am not my kids' teacher. It's impossible to work from home and supervise my two ES kids at the same time. How long do you teachers want to stay home and teach via DL? Like forever? It has been more than a year now. How are working parents supposed to work and not go crazy? Do teachers who do not want to go back to teach at school even care about the kids' development and mental health? C'mon !

“I work from home, but the bottom line is that other people should put themselves at risk because it’s more convenient for me.”


Yes, I am not a teacher. My kind of work is such that I can 100% do it from home. In fact, I can be sitting anywhere in the world and do it. Does not make a difference. Teaching ES kids is not that kind of work. ES Teachers need to be in school, teaching young kids. Just like doctors/ nurses/ bus drivers/ garbage people/ cashiers can not do their work from home, right? Why on earth would teachers be at risk once they are vaccinated? Please give me the reasons, and they better be good ones. Why are you trying to twist this about "my convenience"? Are you out of your mind? Don't you understand that this has a domino effect on society? Parents are not able to work and take care of their kids, we are not teachers. Teaching is a profession. Parents are getting mentally ill, and can take care of their kids even less. Kids are getting mental health issues. Kids are falling behind. Being out of school for 1.5-2 years is a big deal. So, don't make this about "my convenience".

“Getting mental health issues” lol. I’m going to assume English is not your first language and give you the benefit of the doubt. Teachers don’t exist to fix parent “mental health issues” or allow you to telework in peace. Our job is to assess students, provide tailored instruction, and monitor progress. In what world have students been out of school for 1.5-2 years? The pandemic only began a year ago.

This is all about your convenience. If you want to work in peace then hire someone to come work with your children for an hour or two a day to help with their work, just as people have been doing all year long. Put on headphones. It is not the school or the teachers’ fault that you are a single mother or mentally ill. Frankly? It is totally irrelevant.


You sound quite entitled for a teacher. Don't you care about the wellbeing of the kids you are in charge of teaching? Don't you get what I described above or you just don't care?
By Sept. it will be 1.5 years of DL. No-one said it was anyone's fault that I am a single Mom. I was just giving some examples and scenarios for those people who still do not understand why DL does not equal in-school education, like e.g. you it seems. And you are not my teacher (luckily), so you do not need to lecture my knowledge of English. If kids will not go back to school soon, an entire generation will have major issues with math, English etc etc. And yes, many kids are having mental issues, as parents too.

Don’t you care about the well-being of other people? No, right? You only care about yourself and your kids. It is the absolute epitome of entitlement to believe you deserve to work from the safety of your home while others put themselves unnecessarily at risk to better serve you. You aren’t worried that a child dies of COVID every 26 hours in the United States or any of the 1,536 people who died yesterday. Gross.


Some of you are either idiots or have reading comprehension issues. Did you really not understand what I wrote? I wrote "if schools do not open in September", after teachers and most adults will be vaccinated. How can it be risky at that point? You cannot be serious!




I guess you're looking in the mirror when you're talking about "idiots" who may "have reading comprehension issues." Because you certainly don't have a grasp on what is going on.

It is risky because the children won't have been vaccinated and they are known vectors - they are asymptomatic superspreaders. That makes them risky for vaccinated adults because no vaccine is 100% effective and no vaccine has even 50% efficacy for ALL of the current mutations let alone the new mutations that will occur over the next 6 months. THAT's why it is risky.

I don't understand what you don't understand about this. It really isn't that difficult to comprehend.

I'm a DIFFERENT POSTER by the way - just a newcomer wading into the fray.


Seriously? So how long would you like to stay in DL? 2-3 more years? I am curious.


For as long as it takes for the pandemic to no longer be a pandemic. I cannot believe you are even asking that question. It is a "duh" to me...and anyone who gives a fig about other people. A kid's education is NOT worth an adult's life. My husband and I will keep doing what we're doing. Our kids are thriving and we're having a great year.[b]

Wow.

"A child's education is NOT worth an adult's life". It's not exactly a dichotomy, if you even know what it means. It is possible to have in-person school and not kill a grandma next block. It's possible to contract covid and not die from it. It's possible to move on with life, not only in a pandemic, but even in a war. But you won't know anything about it because you're a provincial, small-minded person how likes to paint herself as a savior for sitting in your basement and baking cookies with your socially stunted Larla. Own it, you just like it this way.

I only have one question for you: are you rich? Do you have a trust fund?
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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is: teachers needs to get vaccinated and get back to school and teach our kids. No more excuses and BS. I am a single Mom, working full time from home, and I am not my kids' teacher. It's impossible to work from home and supervise my two ES kids at the same time. How long do you teachers want to stay home and teach via DL? Like forever? It has been more than a year now. How are working parents supposed to work and not go crazy? Do teachers who do not want to go back to teach at school even care about the kids' development and mental health? C'mon !

“I work from home, but the bottom line is that other people should put themselves at risk because it’s more convenient for me.”


Yes, I am not a teacher. My kind of work is such that I can 100% do it from home. In fact, I can be sitting anywhere in the world and do it. Does not make a difference. Teaching ES kids is not that kind of work. ES Teachers need to be in school, teaching young kids. Just like doctors/ nurses/ bus drivers/ garbage people/ cashiers can not do their work from home, right? Why on earth would teachers be at risk once they are vaccinated? Please give me the reasons, and they better be good ones. Why are you trying to twist this about "my convenience"? Are you out of your mind? Don't you understand that this has a domino effect on society? Parents are not able to work and take care of their kids, we are not teachers. Teaching is a profession. Parents are getting mentally ill, and can take care of their kids even less. Kids are getting mental health issues. Kids are falling behind. Being out of school for 1.5-2 years is a big deal. So, don't make this about "my convenience".

“Getting mental health issues” lol. I’m going to assume English is not your first language and give you the benefit of the doubt. Teachers don’t exist to fix parent “mental health issues” or allow you to telework in peace. Our job is to assess students, provide tailored instruction, and monitor progress. In what world have students been out of school for 1.5-2 years? The pandemic only began a year ago.

This is all about your convenience. If you want to work in peace then hire someone to come work with your children for an hour or two a day to help with their work, just as people have been doing all year long. Put on headphones. It is not the school or the teachers’ fault that you are a single mother or mentally ill. Frankly? It is totally irrelevant.


You sound quite entitled for a teacher. Don't you care about the wellbeing of the kids you are in charge of teaching? Don't you get what I described above or you just don't care?
By Sept. it will be 1.5 years of DL. No-one said it was anyone's fault that I am a single Mom. I was just giving some examples and scenarios for those people who still do not understand why DL does not equal in-school education, like e.g. you it seems. And you are not my teacher (luckily), so you do not need to lecture my knowledge of English. If kids will not go back to school soon, an entire generation will have major issues with math, English etc etc. And yes, many kids are having mental issues, as parents too.

Don’t you care about the well-being of other people? No, right? You only care about yourself and your kids. It is the absolute epitome of entitlement to believe you deserve to work from the safety of your home while others put themselves unnecessarily at risk to better serve you. You aren’t worried that a child dies of COVID every 26 hours in the United States or any of the 1,536 people who died yesterday. Gross.


Some of you are either idiots or have reading comprehension issues. Did you really not understand what I wrote? I wrote "if schools do not open in September", after teachers and most adults will be vaccinated. How can it be risky at that point? You cannot be serious!




I guess you're looking in the mirror when you're talking about "idiots" who may "have reading comprehension issues." Because you certainly don't have a grasp on what is going on.

It is risky because the children won't have been vaccinated and they are known vectors - they are asymptomatic superspreaders. That makes them risky for vaccinated adults because no vaccine is 100% effective and no vaccine has even 50% efficacy for ALL of the current mutations let alone the new mutations that will occur over the next 6 months. THAT's why it is risky.

I don't understand what you don't understand about this. It really isn't that difficult to comprehend.

I'm a DIFFERENT POSTER by the way - just a newcomer wading into the fray.


Seriously? So how long would you like to stay in DL? 2-3 more years? I am curious.


For as long as it takes for the pandemic to no longer be a pandemic. I cannot believe you are even asking that question. It is a "duh" to me...and anyone who gives a fig about other people. A kid's education is NOT worth an adult's life. My husband and I will keep doing what we're doing. Our kids are thriving and we're having a great year.[b]

Wow.

"A child's education is NOT worth an adult's life". It's not exactly a dichotomy, if you even know what it means. It is possible to have in-person school and not kill a grandma next block. It's possible to contract covid and not die from it. It's possible to move on with life, not only in a pandemic, but even in a war. But you won't know anything about it because you're a provincial, small-minded person how likes to paint herself as a savior for sitting in your basement and baking cookies with your socially stunted Larla. Own it, you just like it this way.

I only have one question for you: are you rich? Do you have a trust fund?


It is interesting that your rebuttal is to attack me personally by doubting my intelligence and making wildly bigoted projections about who you think I might be.

It seems that we are operating at fundamentally diametrical opposite viewpoints. The goal should not be that someone contract Covid and not die from it, the goal should be that no one contracts Covid.

I can see why teachers don't want to teach your child. I wouldn't either.
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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is: teachers needs to get vaccinated and get back to school and teach our kids. No more excuses and BS. I am a single Mom, working full time from home, and I am not my kids' teacher. It's impossible to work from home and supervise my two ES kids at the same time. How long do you teachers want to stay home and teach via DL? Like forever? It has been more than a year now. How are working parents supposed to work and not go crazy? Do teachers who do not want to go back to teach at school even care about the kids' development and mental health? C'mon !

“I work from home, but the bottom line is that other people should put themselves at risk because it’s more convenient for me.”


Yes, I am not a teacher. My kind of work is such that I can 100% do it from home. In fact, I can be sitting anywhere in the world and do it. Does not make a difference. Teaching ES kids is not that kind of work. ES Teachers need to be in school, teaching young kids. Just like doctors/ nurses/ bus drivers/ garbage people/ cashiers can not do their work from home, right? Why on earth would teachers be at risk once they are vaccinated? Please give me the reasons, and they better be good ones. Why are you trying to twist this about "my convenience"? Are you out of your mind? Don't you understand that this has a domino effect on society? Parents are not able to work and take care of their kids, we are not teachers. Teaching is a profession. Parents are getting mentally ill, and can take care of their kids even less. Kids are getting mental health issues. Kids are falling behind. Being out of school for 1.5-2 years is a big deal. So, don't make this about "my convenience".

“Getting mental health issues” lol. I’m going to assume English is not your first language and give you the benefit of the doubt. Teachers don’t exist to fix parent “mental health issues” or allow you to telework in peace. Our job is to assess students, provide tailored instruction, and monitor progress. In what world have students been out of school for 1.5-2 years? The pandemic only began a year ago.

This is all about your convenience. If you want to work in peace then hire someone to come work with your children for an hour or two a day to help with their work, just as people have been doing all year long. Put on headphones. It is not the school or the teachers’ fault that you are a single mother or mentally ill. Frankly? It is totally irrelevant.


You sound quite entitled for a teacher. Don't you care about the wellbeing of the kids you are in charge of teaching? Don't you get what I described above or you just don't care?
By Sept. it will be 1.5 years of DL. No-one said it was anyone's fault that I am a single Mom. I was just giving some examples and scenarios for those people who still do not understand why DL does not equal in-school education, like e.g. you it seems. And you are not my teacher (luckily), so you do not need to lecture my knowledge of English. If kids will not go back to school soon, an entire generation will have major issues with math, English etc etc. And yes, many kids are having mental issues, as parents too.

Don’t you care about the well-being of other people? No, right? You only care about yourself and your kids. It is the absolute epitome of entitlement to believe you deserve to work from the safety of your home while others put themselves unnecessarily at risk to better serve you. You aren’t worried that a child dies of COVID every 26 hours in the United States or any of the 1,536 people who died yesterday. Gross.


Some of you are either idiots or have reading comprehension issues. Did you really not understand what I wrote? I wrote "if schools do not open in September", after teachers and most adults will be vaccinated. How can it be risky at that point? You cannot be serious!




I guess you're looking in the mirror when you're talking about "idiots" who may "have reading comprehension issues." Because you certainly don't have a grasp on what is going on.

It is risky because the children won't have been vaccinated and they are known vectors - they are asymptomatic superspreaders. That makes them risky for vaccinated adults because no vaccine is 100% effective and no vaccine has even 50% efficacy for ALL of the current mutations let alone the new mutations that will occur over the next 6 months. THAT's why it is risky.

I don't understand what you don't understand about this. It really isn't that difficult to comprehend.

I'm a DIFFERENT POSTER by the way - just a newcomer wading into the fray.


Seriously? So how long would you like to stay in DL? 2-3 more years? I am curious.


For as long as it takes for the pandemic to no longer be a pandemic. I cannot believe you are even asking that question. It is a "duh" to me...and anyone who gives a fig about other people. A kid's education is NOT worth an adult's life. My husband and I will keep doing what we're doing. Our kids are thriving and we're having a great year.

Wow.

"A child's education is NOT worth an adult's life". It's not exactly a dichotomy, if you even know what it means. It is possible to have in-person school and not kill a grandma next block. It's possible to contract covid and not die from it. It's possible to move on with life, not only in a pandemic, but even in a war. But you won't know anything about it because you're a provincial, small-minded person how likes to paint herself as a savior for sitting in your basement and baking cookies with your socially stunted Larla. Own it, you just like it this way.

I only have one question for you: are you rich? Do you have a trust fund?


It is interesting that your rebuttal is to attack me personally by doubting my intelligence and making wildly bigoted projections about who you think I might be.

It seems that we are operating at fundamentally diametrical opposite viewpoints. The goal should not be that someone contract Covid and not die from it, [b]the goal should be that no one contracts Covid.

I can see why teachers don't want to teach your child. I wouldn't either.

DP, and no. The bolded outs you as, if not a moron, profoundly ignorant. SARS-CoV-2 is here to stay. We need to *minimize* those who develop COVID-19 AND we need to balance appropriately the risks, mitigation efforts, and impacts of said mitigation efforts. “No one contracts COVID” isn’t going to happen, so we can throw that out the window. We want to prevent serious illness and death (and long-COVID) as much as possible while also minimizing the consequences of COVID mitigation efforts. Thankfully, the vaccines and mitigation tactics such as masks, improved ventilation indoors, more time outdoors, and physical distancing where appropriate are highly effective in reducing serious morbidity and mortality. And that’s great, because the consequences of more severe mitigations to outcomes including but not limited to mental health problems, obesity, social isolation, increased alcohol and drug consumption, economic loss, educational loss, etc., are profound.

Tl;dr - if you want to stay home indefinitely, go for it. But you have no claim to the moral high ground you think you do.
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^^formatting fail! Ha. I meant to bold “the goal should be that no one contracts Covid,” which is not a goal that any public health expert would suggest is reasonable and necessary. The trade-offs aren’t worth it.
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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is: teachers needs to get vaccinated and get back to school and teach our kids. No more excuses and BS. I am a single Mom, working full time from home, and I am not my kids' teacher. It's impossible to work from home and supervise my two ES kids at the same time. How long do you teachers want to stay home and teach via DL? Like forever? It has been more than a year now. How are working parents supposed to work and not go crazy? Do teachers who do not want to go back to teach at school even care about the kids' development and mental health? C'mon !

“I work from home, but the bottom line is that other people should put themselves at risk because it’s more convenient for me.”


Yes, I am not a teacher. My kind of work is such that I can 100% do it from home. In fact, I can be sitting anywhere in the world and do it. Does not make a difference. Teaching ES kids is not that kind of work. ES Teachers need to be in school, teaching young kids. Just like doctors/ nurses/ bus drivers/ garbage people/ cashiers can not do their work from home, right? Why on earth would teachers be at risk once they are vaccinated? Please give me the reasons, and they better be good ones. Why are you trying to twist this about "my convenience"? Are you out of your mind? Don't you understand that this has a domino effect on society? Parents are not able to work and take care of their kids, we are not teachers. Teaching is a profession. Parents are getting mentally ill, and can take care of their kids even less. Kids are getting mental health issues. Kids are falling behind. Being out of school for 1.5-2 years is a big deal. So, don't make this about "my convenience".

“Getting mental health issues” lol. I’m going to assume English is not your first language and give you the benefit of the doubt. Teachers don’t exist to fix parent “mental health issues” or allow you to telework in peace. Our job is to assess students, provide tailored instruction, and monitor progress. In what world have students been out of school for 1.5-2 years? The pandemic only began a year ago.

This is all about your convenience. If you want to work in peace then hire someone to come work with your children for an hour or two a day to help with their work, just as people have been doing all year long. Put on headphones. It is not the school or the teachers’ fault that you are a single mother or mentally ill. Frankly? It is totally irrelevant.


You sound quite entitled for a teacher. Don't you care about the wellbeing of the kids you are in charge of teaching? Don't you get what I described above or you just don't care?
By Sept. it will be 1.5 years of DL. No-one said it was anyone's fault that I am a single Mom. I was just giving some examples and scenarios for those people who still do not understand why DL does not equal in-school education, like e.g. you it seems. And you are not my teacher (luckily), so you do not need to lecture my knowledge of English. If kids will not go back to school soon, an entire generation will have major issues with math, English etc etc. And yes, many kids are having mental issues, as parents too.

Don’t you care about the well-being of other people? No, right? You only care about yourself and your kids. It is the absolute epitome of entitlement to believe you deserve to work from the safety of your home while others put themselves unnecessarily at risk to better serve you. You aren’t worried that a child dies of COVID every 26 hours in the United States or any of the 1,536 people who died yesterday. Gross.


Some of you are either idiots or have reading comprehension issues. Did you really not understand what I wrote? I wrote "if schools do not open in September", after teachers and most adults will be vaccinated. How can it be risky at that point? You cannot be serious!




I guess you're looking in the mirror when you're talking about "idiots" who may "have reading comprehension issues." Because you certainly don't have a grasp on what is going on.

It is risky because the children won't have been vaccinated and they are known vectors - they are asymptomatic superspreaders. That makes them risky for vaccinated adults because no vaccine is 100% effective and no vaccine has even 50% efficacy for ALL of the current mutations let alone the new mutations that will occur over the next 6 months. THAT's why it is risky.

I don't understand what you don't understand about this. It really isn't that difficult to comprehend.

I'm a DIFFERENT POSTER by the way - just a newcomer wading into the fray.


Seriously? So how long would you like to stay in DL? 2-3 more years? I am curious.


For as long as it takes for the pandemic to no longer be a pandemic. I cannot believe you are even asking that question. It is a "duh" to me...and anyone who gives a fig about other people. A kid's education is NOT worth an adult's life. My husband and I will keep doing what we're doing. Our kids are thriving and we're having a great year.[b]

Wow.

"A child's education is NOT worth an adult's life". It's not exactly a dichotomy, if you even know what it means. It is possible to have in-person school and not kill a grandma next block. It's possible to contract covid and not die from it. It's possible to move on with life, not only in a pandemic, but even in a war. But you won't know anything about it because you're a provincial, small-minded person how likes to paint herself as a savior for sitting in your basement and baking cookies with your socially stunted Larla. Own it, you just like it this way.

I only have one question for you: are you rich? Do you have a trust fund?


It is interesting that your rebuttal is to attack me personally by doubting my intelligence and making wildly bigoted projections about who you think I might be.

It seems that we are operating at fundamentally diametrical opposite viewpoints. The goal should not be that someone contract Covid and not die from it, the goal should be that no one contracts Covid.

I can see why teachers don't want to teach your child. I wouldn't either.


“The goal should be that no one contracts Covid”
You have now lost all credibility. That has never been the goal.
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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is: teachers needs to get vaccinated and get back to school and teach our kids. No more excuses and BS. I am a single Mom, working full time from home, and I am not my kids' teacher. It's impossible to work from home and supervise my two ES kids at the same time. How long do you teachers want to stay home and teach via DL? Like forever? It has been more than a year now. How are working parents supposed to work and not go crazy? Do teachers who do not want to go back to teach at school even care about the kids' development and mental health? C'mon !

“I work from home, but the bottom line is that other people should put themselves at risk because it’s more convenient for me.”


Yes, I am not a teacher. My kind of work is such that I can 100% do it from home. In fact, I can be sitting anywhere in the world and do it. Does not make a difference. Teaching ES kids is not that kind of work. ES Teachers need to be in school, teaching young kids. Just like doctors/ nurses/ bus drivers/ garbage people/ cashiers can not do their work from home, right? Why on earth would teachers be at risk once they are vaccinated? Please give me the reasons, and they better be good ones. Why are you trying to twist this about "my convenience"? Are you out of your mind? Don't you understand that this has a domino effect on society? Parents are not able to work and take care of their kids, we are not teachers. Teaching is a profession. Parents are getting mentally ill, and can take care of their kids even less. Kids are getting mental health issues. Kids are falling behind. Being out of school for 1.5-2 years is a big deal. So, don't make this about "my convenience".


Millions of Americans are working from home this year in jobs that previously were thought "couldn't " be done remotely. It turns out in a pandemic, yes, they can.

You not liking, approving of r agreeing with DL is not teachers' problem, but yours. Nobody has been "out of school" for 1-2 years, because education is not buildings.

And the claim that parents are "getting mentally ill" from taking care of their own children and the bogus manipulative "but suicide!" cards are disgusting and pathetic.


I 100% believe that there are parents who are mentally ill as a result of spending 24/7 with their own kids. It used to drive middle class married white women into depression in the 1950s and ‘60s. Now their granddaughters are experiencing the same thing and think no one cares. It’s not that no one cares. It’s that mental health care is available now in a way it wasn’t mid-century and you need to exhaust that before you start demanding other people (mostly women, often less well-off than you, and sometimes POC) risk their lives so you don’t need to take an antidepressant or tell your DH to share parenting duties.


Are you stupid? or just racist against white women? Most white married middle-class women in the 50s and 60s were homemakers; they did not work outside the home, and their kids went to school. In 2020 - many women are working from home full-time during the pandemic and teaching or supervising their kids who are DL since a year now. Not everyone has a spouse to help put and not everyone is able to hire tutors for their kids. Not all kids have parents who make sure their kids do not fall behind.


How did working class women of all races handle parenting and working outside the home without “Mother’s Little Helper” or breakdowns? Get some grit, PP.
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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is: teachers needs to get vaccinated and get back to school and teach our kids. No more excuses and BS. I am a single Mom, working full time from home, and I am not my kids' teacher. It's impossible to work from home and supervise my two ES kids at the same time. How long do you teachers want to stay home and teach via DL? Like forever? It has been more than a year now. How are working parents supposed to work and not go crazy? Do teachers who do not want to go back to teach at school even care about the kids' development and mental health? C'mon !

“I work from home, but the bottom line is that other people should put themselves at risk because it’s more convenient for me.”


Yes, I am not a teacher. My kind of work is such that I can 100% do it from home. In fact, I can be sitting anywhere in the world and do it. Does not make a difference. Teaching ES kids is not that kind of work. ES Teachers need to be in school, teaching young kids. Just like doctors/ nurses/ bus drivers/ garbage people/ cashiers can not do their work from home, right? Why on earth would teachers be at risk once they are vaccinated? Please give me the reasons, and they better be good ones. Why are you trying to twist this about "my convenience"? Are you out of your mind? Don't you understand that this has a domino effect on society? Parents are not able to work and take care of their kids, we are not teachers. Teaching is a profession. Parents are getting mentally ill, and can take care of their kids even less. Kids are getting mental health issues. Kids are falling behind. Being out of school for 1.5-2 years is a big deal. So, don't make this about "my convenience".

“Getting mental health issues” lol. I’m going to assume English is not your first language and give you the benefit of the doubt. Teachers don’t exist to fix parent “mental health issues” or allow you to telework in peace. Our job is to assess students, provide tailored instruction, and monitor progress. In what world have students been out of school for 1.5-2 years? The pandemic only began a year ago.

This is all about your convenience. If you want to work in peace then hire someone to come work with your children for an hour or two a day to help with their work, just as people have been doing all year long. Put on headphones. It is not the school or the teachers’ fault that you are a single mother or mentally ill. Frankly? It is totally irrelevant.


You sound quite entitled for a teacher. Don't you care about the wellbeing of the kids you are in charge of teaching? Don't you get what I described above or you just don't care?
By Sept. it will be 1.5 years of DL. No-one said it was anyone's fault that I am a single Mom. I was just giving some examples and scenarios for those people who still do not understand why DL does not equal in-school education, like e.g. you it seems. And you are not my teacher (luckily), so you do not need to lecture my knowledge of English. If kids will not go back to school soon, an entire generation will have major issues with math, English etc etc. And yes, many kids are having mental issues, as parents too.

Don’t you care about the well-being of other people? No, right? You only care about yourself and your kids. It is the absolute epitome of entitlement to believe you deserve to work from the safety of your home while others put themselves unnecessarily at risk to better serve you. You aren’t worried that a child dies of COVID every 26 hours in the United States or any of the 1,536 people who died yesterday. Gross.


Some of you are either idiots or have reading comprehension issues. Did you really not understand what I wrote? I wrote "if schools do not open in September", after teachers and most adults will be vaccinated. How can it be risky at that point? You cannot be serious!




I guess you're looking in the mirror when you're talking about "idiots" who may "have reading comprehension issues." Because you certainly don't have a grasp on what is going on.

It is risky because the children won't have been vaccinated and they are known vectors - they are asymptomatic superspreaders. That makes them risky for vaccinated adults because no vaccine is 100% effective and no vaccine has even 50% efficacy for ALL of the current mutations let alone the new mutations that will occur over the next 6 months. THAT's why it is risky.

I don't understand what you don't understand about this. It really isn't that difficult to comprehend.

I'm a DIFFERENT POSTER by the way - just a newcomer wading into the fray.


Seriously? So how long would you like to stay in DL? 2-3 more years? I am curious.


For as long as it takes for the pandemic to no longer be a pandemic. I cannot believe you are even asking that question. It is a "duh" to me...and anyone who gives a fig about other people. A kid's education is NOT worth an adult's life. My husband and I will keep doing what we're doing. Our kids are thriving and we're having a great year.

Wow.

"A child's education is NOT worth an adult's life". It's not exactly a dichotomy, if you even know what it means. It is possible to have in-person school and not kill a grandma next block. It's possible to contract covid and not die from it. It's possible to move on with life, not only in a pandemic, but even in a war. But you won't know anything about it because you're a provincial, small-minded person how likes to paint herself as a savior for sitting in your basement and baking cookies with your socially stunted Larla. Own it, you just like it this way.

I only have one question for you: are you rich? Do you have a trust fund?


It is interesting that your rebuttal is to attack me personally by doubting my intelligence and making wildly bigoted projections about who you think I might be.

It seems that we are operating at fundamentally diametrical opposite viewpoints. The goal should not be that someone contract Covid and not die from it, [b]the goal should be that no one contracts Covid.

I can see why teachers don't want to teach your child. I wouldn't either.


This is not a realistic goal. The virus isn't going to go away, but we can manage with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Guys, I am one of the PPs - by Sept. most adult AND teachers should be vaccinated, right? So, my point is that at that point, there is no reason to not open schools and I cannot accept any further reasoning from teachers/ their union for not teaching in-person. Now, if you are a parent who does not want to send your kid to school, feel free to keep them home/ homeschool. But do NOT force the rest of us to do the same.


I agree.
FCPS Elementary Teacher


But seriously; those who want to go to school, let them go. Those who want to keep their kids home, let them do that too. It would be quite easy to arrange this. Kids studying from home could zoom in and watch the live instruction in class.


No. This is not so easy (unless the teacher ignores those watching) and is not very effective for those at home.

FCPS Elementary Teacher


I understand it requires some work, but it is doable; I heard so. At least those who want to be at school can. Another option is for teachers who are ready to go back to school teach those kids who want to go to school. And the teachers who want to keep teaching from home can teach the kids who prefer DL.


You heard so? What do you envision beyond a teacher lecturing to a class? I hope this is not how you picture an elementary school classroom.

I have been teaching from school since September. I wanted to go back face to face in September. Simply watching live classroom instruction from home doesn’t cut it. Teaching elementary students is not done in a lecture format and even that would not make watching from home effective long term. The students don’t interact. They leave their computer. The teacher’s attention is split between those in school and home. Have you tried to do what you envision with a class of 6, 7 or 8 year olds?



Well, I am a parent, so it is not for me to organize this. Schools/teachers should. But I know it's doable. Our goal here should be to come up with viable options and move ahead, not to try proving why it is NOT doable.
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Anonymous wrote:Guys, I am one of the PPs - by Sept. most adult AND teachers should be vaccinated, right? So, my point is that at that point, there is no reason to not open schools and I cannot accept any further reasoning from teachers/ their union for not teaching in-person. Now, if you are a parent who does not want to send your kid to school, feel free to keep them home/ homeschool. But do NOT force the rest of us to do the same.


I agree.
FCPS Elementary Teacher


But seriously; those who want to go to school, let them go. Those who want to keep their kids home, let them do that too. It would be quite easy to arrange this. Kids studying from home could zoom in and watch the live instruction in class.


No. This is not so easy (unless the teacher ignores those watching) and is not very effective for those at home.

FCPS Elementary Teacher


I understand it requires some work, but it is doable; I heard so. At least those who want to be at school can. Another option is for teachers who are ready to go back to school teach those kids who want to go to school. And the teachers who want to keep teaching from home can teach the kids who prefer DL.


You heard so? What do you envision beyond a teacher lecturing to a class? I hope this is not how you picture an elementary school classroom.

I have been teaching from school since September. I wanted to go back face to face in September. Simply watching live classroom instruction from home doesn’t cut it. Teaching elementary students is not done in a lecture format and even that would not make watching from home effective long term. The students don’t interact. They leave their computer. The teacher’s attention is split between those in school and home. Have you tried to do what you envision with a class of 6, 7 or 8 year olds?



Well, I am a parent, so it is not for me to organize this. Schools/teachers should. But I know it's doable. Our goal here should be to come up with viable options and move ahead, not to try proving why it is NOT doable.


You know it’s doable how? You are dictating something in which you have no experience.

Some things just aren’t doable. I can’t effectively teach elementary students by having them “watch live instruction in class”. If you want to go with your second plan where students at home ar taught by a virtual-only teacher then that might work, but not the former. Ultimately and ideally they need to be in the classroom.
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Anonymous wrote:Guys, I am one of the PPs - by Sept. most adult AND teachers should be vaccinated, right? So, my point is that at that point, there is no reason to not open schools and I cannot accept any further reasoning from teachers/ their union for not teaching in-person. Now, if you are a parent who does not want to send your kid to school, feel free to keep them home/ homeschool. But do NOT force the rest of us to do the same.


I agree.
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But seriously; those who want to go to school, let them go. Those who want to keep their kids home, let them do that too. It would be quite easy to arrange this. Kids studying from home could zoom in and watch the live instruction in class.


No. This is not so easy (unless the teacher ignores those watching) and is not very effective for those at home.

FCPS Elementary Teacher




I understand it requires some work, but it is doable; I heard so. At least those who want to be at school can. Another option is for teachers who are ready to go back to school teach those kids who want to go to school. And the teachers who want to keep teaching from home can teach the kids who prefer DL.


You heard so? What do you envision beyond a teacher lecturing to a class? I hope this is not how you picture an elementary school classroom.

I have been teaching from school since September. I wanted to go back face to face in September. Simply watching live classroom instruction from home doesn’t cut it. Teaching elementary students is not done in a lecture format and even that would not make watching from home effective long term. The students don’t interact. They leave their computer. The teacher’s attention is split between those in school and home. Have you tried to do what you envision with a class of 6, 7 or 8 year olds?



Well, I am a parent, so it is not for me to organize this. Schools/teachers should. But I know it's doable. Our goal here should be to come up with viable options and move ahead, not to try proving why it is NOT doable.


You know it’s doable how? You are dictating something in which you have no experience.

Some things just aren’t doable. I can’t effectively teach elementary students by having them “watch live instruction in class”. If you want to go with your second plan where students at home ar taught by a virtual-only teacher then that might work, but not the former. Ultimately and ideally they need to be in the classroom.


I am fine with either options as long as my kids can back to school. But it should not be my job to resolve this.
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Anonymous wrote:Guys, I am one of the PPs - by Sept. most adult AND teachers should be vaccinated, right? So, my point is that at that point, there is no reason to not open schools and I cannot accept any further reasoning from teachers/ their union for not teaching in-person. Now, if you are a parent who does not want to send your kid to school, feel free to keep them home/ homeschool. But do NOT force the rest of us to do the same.


I agree.
FCPS Elementary Teacher


But seriously; those who want to go to school, let them go. Those who want to keep their kids home, let them do that too. It would be quite easy to arrange this. Kids studying from home could zoom in and watch the live instruction in class.


No. This is not so easy (unless the teacher ignores those watching) and is not very effective for those at home.

FCPS Elementary Teacher




I understand it requires some work, but it is doable; I heard so. At least those who want to be at school can. Another option is for teachers who are ready to go back to school teach those kids who want to go to school. And the teachers who want to keep teaching from home can teach the kids who prefer DL.


You heard so? What do you envision beyond a teacher lecturing to a class? I hope this is not how you picture an elementary school classroom.

I have been teaching from school since September. I wanted to go back face to face in September. Simply watching live classroom instruction from home doesn’t cut it. Teaching elementary students is not done in a lecture format and even that would not make watching from home effective long term. The students don’t interact. They leave their computer. The teacher’s attention is split between those in school and home. Have you tried to do what you envision with a class of 6, 7 or 8 year olds?



Well, I am a parent, so it is not for me to organize this. Schools/teachers should. But I know it's doable. Our goal here should be to come up with viable options and move ahead, not to try proving why it is NOT doable.


You know it’s doable how? You are dictating something in which you have no experience.

Some things just aren’t doable. I can’t effectively teach elementary students by having them “watch live instruction in class”. If you want to go with your second plan where students at home ar taught by a virtual-only teacher then that might work, but not the former. Ultimately and ideally they need to be in the classroom.


I am fine with either options as long as my kids can back to school. But it should not be my job to resolve this.


Nobody is saying it’s your job. Actually, that’s the point. It’s not your job and you don’t have any experience to say how things should be done.
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Anonymous wrote:Guys, I am one of the PPs - by Sept. most adult AND teachers should be vaccinated, right? So, my point is that at that point, there is no reason to not open schools and I cannot accept any further reasoning from teachers/ their union for not teaching in-person. Now, if you are a parent who does not want to send your kid to school, feel free to keep them home/ homeschool. But do NOT force the rest of us to do the same.


I agree.
FCPS Elementary Teacher


But seriously; those who want to go to school, let them go. Those who want to keep their kids home, let them do that too. It would be quite easy to arrange this. Kids studying from home could zoom in and watch the live instruction in class.


No. This is not so easy (unless the teacher ignores those watching) and is not very effective for those at home.

FCPS Elementary Teacher




I understand it requires some work, but it is doable; I heard so. At least those who want to be at school can. Another option is for teachers who are ready to go back to school teach those kids who want to go to school. And the teachers who want to keep teaching from home can teach the kids who prefer DL.


You heard so? What do you envision beyond a teacher lecturing to a class? I hope this is not how you picture an elementary school classroom.

I have been teaching from school since September. I wanted to go back face to face in September. Simply watching live classroom instruction from home doesn’t cut it. Teaching elementary students is not done in a lecture format and even that would not make watching from home effective long term. The students don’t interact. They leave their computer. The teacher’s attention is split between those in school and home. Have you tried to do what you envision with a class of 6, 7 or 8 year olds?



Well, I am a parent, so it is not for me to organize this. Schools/teachers should. But I know it's doable. Our goal here should be to come up with viable options and move ahead, not to try proving why it is NOT doable.


You know it’s doable how? You are dictating something in which you have no experience.

Some things just aren’t doable. I can’t effectively teach elementary students by having them “watch live instruction in class”. If you want to go with your second plan where students at home ar taught by a virtual-only teacher then that might work, but not the former. Ultimately and ideally they need to be in the classroom.


I am fine with either options as long as my kids can back to school. But it should not be my job to resolve this.

Just as it is not the school’s job to solve your childcare problems, your child’s issues with socialization, your child’s issues with lack of physical activity, etc. Amazing how this goes both ways.
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Can this thread die a quick death please? It's so futile and redundant.
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