TJ is so done...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The job of TJ is to teach kids. Your basic point is that kids who have allegedly shown themselves to be adept in math (or whatever) should not be provided any programs specifically designed to cater to this ability. However, if a kid is adept in basketball, they do deserve such a program. Apparently winning basketball games is more important for you guys than providing supplemental education for students demonstrating proficiency. That says a lot about you, doesn't it?

You're misrepresenting the argument.

Kids who are adept in math ARE provided plenty of programs specifically designed to cater to their ability. There are plenty of students every year who are entering pre-calc in 9th grade and are not admitted to TJ. What becomes of them? Their school helps them to find solutions if they run out of math at their high school. Perhaps there are enough of those kids to warrant an additional advanced class. Perhaps they take a college class.

If we hijack TJ as an educational institution that is only designed to serve the extremely advanced, before long you will no longer have a full-service high school on your hands. TJ is a wonderful place to be because students can have an exceptional STEM education AND they can also play basketball, or write for the newspaper, or act in a play, or march in the band. Otherwise it's just another AOS or Curie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The job of TJ is to teach kids. Your basic point is that kids who have allegedly shown themselves to be adept in math (or whatever) should not be provided any programs specifically designed to cater to this ability. However, if a kid is adept in basketball, they do deserve such a program. Apparently winning basketball games is more important for you guys than providing supplemental education for students demonstrating proficiency. That says a lot about you, doesn't it?

The new admission policy ensures that more kids who need this enrichment get it whereas the old system only ensured kids who already got outside enrichment got it from the school too. This seems like a great and necessary change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The "gaming the system" poster thinks if she repeats the lie 1000 times, people will believe it to be true. If it's so easy to prep, why did white parents pay tens of thousands to have someone else take the SAT for their kids? The cheaters caught by Varsity blue are mostly white. If you have to look at everything in a racial angle, Caltech is 50% Asian. Maybe something else is in play other than "prep"?

And the "prep" thing is not even the problem FCPS was addressing. FCPS didn't spend this much time and energy to address a "prepping" problem. If that were the issue, Mr. Williams had already offered to write a new test that no one has seen for free. It costs nothing and problem solved. FCPS was addressing the racial makeup of TJ. All this "prep" stuff is just noise. But she will repeat the same lie tomorrow to distract from the real issue.

Irony: if you repeat the lie 1000 times...

There were at least 2 ethnic Chinese, 1 Indian, 1 Latino, 1 Persian, 1 Egyptian(hence African) caught up in Operation Varsity Blues.

Not everything revolves around race. This certainly was more SES than anything else.

Nice deflection. All the cheaters I saw on TV are white. How about the vast majority of the cheaters caught by varsity blue are white?

That would be because the people that the vast majority of the population knew where white. The vast majority of people who were busted in Varsity Blues were very briefly names and no one really cared about because they were not household names. The outrage was that rich people used their money to buy results that other people were working hard for and that the specific Universities were not doing the necessary due diligence to prevent such abuses. You can google the list of people caught and busted in Varsity Blues and quite easily see that it was not just white people. It was more of a class based issue then it was a racial issue. The people who were faking the test scores and the athletic participation of the kids could have care less about race, they just wanted the money. The parents were so stuck on their kids attending a specific school that they were willing to pay stupid amounts of money to thwart the system.

The real difference is that the folks caught up in that operation were not rich enough to buy their kids way into said Universities through large enough donations, which is the traditional manner that the uber rich get their kids into Ivy League and similar type schools.

The use of legacy systems is on the decline at most US Universities precisely because it provides an unfair advantage to the kids of wealthier parents who attended a specific school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The job of TJ is to teach kids. Your basic point is that kids who have allegedly shown themselves to be adept in math (or whatever) should not be provided any programs specifically designed to cater to this ability. However, if a kid is adept in basketball, they do deserve such a program. Apparently winning basketball games is more important for you guys than providing supplemental education for students demonstrating proficiency. That says a lot about you, doesn't it?

The new admission policy ensures that more kids who need this enrichment get it whereas the old system only ensured kids who already got outside enrichment got it from the school too. This seems like a great and necessary change.

BINGO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The "gaming the system" poster thinks if she repeats the lie 1000 times, people will believe it to be true. If it's so easy to prep, why did white parents pay tens of thousands to have someone else take the SAT for their kids? The cheaters caught by Varsity blue are mostly white. If you have to look at everything in a racial angle, Caltech is 50% Asian. Maybe something else is in play other than "prep"?

And the "prep" thing is not even the problem FCPS was addressing. FCPS didn't spend this much time and energy to address a "prepping" problem. If that were the issue, Mr. Williams had already offered to write a new test that no one has seen for free. It costs nothing and problem solved. FCPS was addressing the racial makeup of TJ. All this "prep" stuff is just noise. But she will repeat the same lie tomorrow to distract from the real issue.

Irony: if you repeat the lie 1000 times...

There were at least 2 ethnic Chinese, 1 Indian, 1 Latino, 1 Persian, 1 Egyptian(hence African) caught up in Operation Varsity Blues.

Not everything revolves around race. This certainly was more SES than anything else.

Nice deflection. All the cheaters I saw on TV are white. How about the vast majority of the cheaters caught by varsity blue are white?

That would be because the people that the vast majority of the population knew where white. The vast majority of people who were busted in Varsity Blues were very briefly names and no one really cared about because they were not household names. The outrage was that rich people used their money to buy results that other people were working hard for and that the specific Universities were not doing the necessary due diligence to prevent such abuses. You can google the list of people caught and busted in Varsity Blues and quite easily see that it was not just white people. It was more of a class based issue then it was a racial issue. The people who were faking the test scores and the athletic participation of the kids could have care less about race, they just wanted the money. The parents were so stuck on their kids attending a specific school that they were willing to pay stupid amounts of money to thwart the system.

The real difference is that the folks caught up in that operation were not rich enough to buy their kids way into said Universities through large enough donations, which is the traditional manner that the uber rich get their kids into Ivy League and similar type schools.

The use of legacy systems is on the decline at most US Universities precisely because it provides an unfair advantage to the kids of wealthier parents who attended a specific school.

Vast majority of the cheaters were white.

[Anonymous]

Arlington Tech is such a success that FCPS is trying to emulate it with TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Arlington Tech is such a success that FCPS is trying to emulate it with TJ.

lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can either have a top-tier STEM magnet school or you can have a school that "looks like Fairfax" and has quotas. You can't have both.

TJ was always “color blind.”

New TJ will “admit students based on the color of their skin, not based on the content of their academic achievement.”

Promoting racism is now somehow progress?

I am switching my voting affiliation to republican.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can either have a top-tier STEM magnet school or you can have a school that "looks like Fairfax" and has quotas. You can't have both.

TJ was always “color blind.”

New TJ will “admit students based on the color of their skin, not based on the content of their academic achievement.”

Promoting racism is now somehow progress?

I am switching my voting affiliation to republican.

That's not going to help you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can either have a top-tier STEM magnet school or you can have a school that "looks like Fairfax" and has quotas. You can't have both.

TJ was always “color blind.”

New TJ will “admit students based on the color of their skin, not based on the content of their academic achievement.”

Promoting racism is now somehow progress?

I am switching my voting affiliation to republican.

That's not going to help you.

it is funny that someone wants to vote republican in the hope that they will help a minority at a public school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can either have a top-tier STEM magnet school or you can have a school that "looks like Fairfax" and has quotas. You can't have both.

TJ was always “color blind.”

New TJ will “admit students based on the color of their skin, not based on the content of their academic achievement.”

Promoting racism is now somehow progress?

I am switching my voting affiliation to republican.

That's not going to help you.

it is funny that someone wants to vote republican in the hope that they will help a minority at a public school.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can either have a top-tier STEM magnet school or you can have a school that "looks like Fairfax" and has quotas. You can't have both.

TJ was always “color blind.”

New TJ will “admit students based on the color of their skin, not based on the content of their academic achievement.”

Promoting racism is now somehow progress?

I am switching my voting affiliation to republican.

That's not going to help you.

it is funny that someone wants to vote republican in the hope that they will help a minority at a public school.

Exactly.

You guys don’t even want to consider Asians as people of color so what are you complaining about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can either have a top-tier STEM magnet school or you can have a school that "looks like Fairfax" and has quotas. You can't have both.

TJ was always “color blind.”

New TJ will “admit students based on the color of their skin, not based on the content of their academic achievement.”

Promoting racism is now somehow progress?

I am switching my voting affiliation to republican.

That's not going to help you.

it is funny that someone wants to vote republican in the hope that they will help a minority at a public school.

Exactly.

You guys don’t even want to consider Asians as people of color so what are you complaining about.

Not relevant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The job of TJ is to teach kids. Your basic point is that kids who have allegedly shown themselves to be adept in math (or whatever) should not be provided any programs specifically designed to cater to this ability. However, if a kid is adept in basketball, they do deserve such a program. Apparently winning basketball games is more important for you guys than providing supplemental education for students demonstrating proficiency. That says a lot about you, doesn't it?

The new admission policy ensures that more kids who need this enrichment get it whereas the old system only ensured kids who already got outside enrichment got it from the school too. This seems like a great and necessary change.

BINGO

+1 This right here is the heart of the change. You can argue for or against it. But kudos to the above poster for articulating the change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can either have a top-tier STEM magnet school or you can have a school that "looks like Fairfax" and has quotas. You can't have both.

TJ was always “color blind.”

New TJ will “admit students based on the color of their skin, not based on the content of their academic achievement.”

Promoting racism is now somehow progress?

I am switching my voting affiliation to republican.

That's not going to help you.

it is funny that someone wants to vote republican in the hope that they will help a minority at a public school.

Republican Senators brought an amendment to defund universities that discriminate against Asians. Every Democrat voted no.