TJ is so done...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Asian Americans are not URM in TJ admissions. They are over represented. When efforts made to increase URM numbers are successful the numbers of over represented groups will decrease. That’s math. It’s not a conspiracy against Asian Americans.

Unless Asian Americans become under represented they should not complain.

If your success in a merit-based outcome is artificially reduced to conform to the level of success of the majority race, you should not complain? That's a bold take.

If a merit based process fir a public school magnet school doesn’t mirror the demographics of the county the URMs have ever right to complain and sue.

Anyone can sue. Whether they can win is another issue. Right now the Asian-American community has a better case to challenge the recent changes than URMs have to challenge the prior system. There's no federal or Constitutional requirement that merit be redefined to lead to equal outcomes for different demographic cohorts.

There is no federal or Constitutional requirement that merit cannot be redefined.

Sure you can redefine anything. Doesn't make it right or legal.

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Anonymous wrote:It's starting to sound a lot like the old trope of trying to make people ashamed of being smart. My parents weren't exactly what I'd call wealthy, but they prioritized their spending by buying textbooks for me to practice from. The people complaining about tiger moms are being terrible

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It's essentially an affirmation action policy, which is obviously racist. It's amazing that athletics haven't been impacted by the "equity" sickos.

That's amazing since admissions are race-blind. It's like magic!

Sure. First, you impose geographic minimums to save seats for kids from “traditionally underrepresented schools.” Then you give bonus points to applicants with certain “experience factors” like being FARMS. If applicants had to have blue eyes and pee standing up that would technically be race and gender blind.

An example of why your analogy is off is there are poor Vietnamese students in eastern Fairfax. They attend underrepresented schools and have experience factors. Are they not the right kind of Asian for you? Do you only champion the cause of Asians who can afford prep classes?

I favor meritocracy. I despise racism in every form. I am in favor of a race-blind objective test. I don't care who does the best only that the best get in instead of punished for their success. I am championing equality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Asian Americans are not URM in TJ admissions. They are over represented. When efforts made to increase URM numbers are successful the numbers of over represented groups will decrease. That’s math. It’s not a conspiracy against Asian Americans.

Unless Asian Americans become under represented they should not complain.

If your success in a merit-based outcome is artificially reduced to conform to the level of success of the majority race, you should not complain? That's a bold take.

If a merit based process fir a public school magnet school doesn’t mirror the demographics of the county the URMs have ever right to complain and sue.

That's an entirely different point than the one you're replying to.

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Anonymous wrote:It's starting to sound a lot like the old trope of trying to make people ashamed of being smart. My parents weren't exactly what I'd call wealthy, but they prioritized their spending by buying textbooks for me to practice from. The people complaining about tiger moms are being terrible

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It's essentially an affirmation action policy, which is obviously racist. It's amazing that athletics haven't been impacted by the "equity" sickos.

That's amazing since admissions are race-blind. It's like magic!

Never underestimate the bitterness of parents who feel entitled to gaming the system.

Exactly, people are really showing their true colors and it isn’t pretty. Even for an anonymous forum, some of these posts are horrific.

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Anonymous wrote:It's starting to sound a lot like the old trope of trying to make people ashamed of being smart. My parents weren't exactly what I'd call wealthy, but they prioritized their spending by buying textbooks for me to practice from. The people complaining about tiger moms are being terrible

+1

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It's essentially an affirmation action policy, which is obviously racist. It's amazing that athletics haven't been impacted by the "equity" sickos.

That's amazing since admissions are race-blind. It's like magic!

Never underestimate the bitterness of parents who feel entitled to gaming the system.

Exactly, people are really showing their true colors and it isn’t pretty. Even for an anonymous forum, some of these posts are horrific.

They are the best evidence of why TJ has needed change for decades

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's starting to sound a lot like the old trope of trying to make people ashamed of being smart. My parents weren't exactly what I'd call wealthy, but they prioritized their spending by buying textbooks for me to practice from. The people complaining about tiger moms are being terrible

+1

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It's essentially an affirmation action policy, which is obviously racist. It's amazing that athletics haven't been impacted by the "equity" sickos.

That's amazing since admissions are race-blind. It's like magic!

Never underestimate the bitterness of parents who feel entitled to gaming the system.

Exactly, people are really showing their true colors and it isn’t pretty. Even for an anonymous forum, some of these posts are horrific.

How much do they pay you to misrepresent the content of the discussion this badly?

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The "gaming the system" poster thinks if she repeats the lie 1000 times, people will believe it to be true. If it's so easy to prep, why did white parents pay tens of thousands to have someone else take the SAT for their kids? The cheaters caught by Varsity blue are all white. If you have to look at everything in a racial angle, Caltech is 50% Asian. Maybe something else is in play other than "prep"?

And the "prep" thing is not even the problem FCPS was addressing. FCPS didn't spend this much time and energy to address a "prepping" problem. If that were the issue, Mr. Williams had already offered to write a new test that no one has seen for free. It costs nothing and problem solved. FCPS was addressing the racial makeup of TJ. All this "prep" stuff is just noise. But she will repeat the same lie tomorrow to distract from the real issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Asian Americans are not URM in TJ admissions. They are over represented. When efforts made to increase URM numbers are successful the numbers of over represented groups will decrease. That’s math. It’s not a conspiracy against Asian Americans.

Unless Asian Americans become under represented they should not complain.

If your success in a merit-based outcome is artificially reduced to conform to the level of success of the majority race, you should not complain? That's a bold take.

If a merit based process fir a public school magnet school doesn’t mirror the demographics of the county the URMs have ever right to complain and sue.

Anyone can sue. Whether they can win is another issue. Right now the Asian-American community has a better case to challenge the recent changes than URMs have to challenge the prior system. There's no federal or Constitutional requirement that merit be redefined to lead to equal outcomes for different demographic cohorts.

There is no federal or Constitutional requirement that merit cannot be redefined.

Well, you are sort of boxed in by the 5th and 14th Amendments with the old "Equal Protection Clause."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The "gaming the system" poster thinks if she repeats the lie 1000 times, people will believe it to be true. If it's so easy to prep, why did white parents pay tens of thousands to have someone else take the SAT for their kids? The cheaters caught by Varsity blue are all white. If you have to look at everything in a racial angle, Caltech is 50% Asian. Maybe something else is in play other than "prep"?

And the "prep" thing is not even the problem FCPS was addressing. FCPS didn't spend this much time and energy to address a "prepping" problem. If that were the issue, Mr. Williams had already offered to write a new test that no one has seen for free. It costs nothing and problem solved. FCPS was addressing the racial makeup of TJ. All this "prep" stuff is just noise. But she will repeat the same lie tomorrow to distract from the real issue.

Irony: if you repeat the lie 1000 times...

There were at least 2 ethnic Chinese, 1 Indian, 1 Latino, 1 Persian, 1 Egyptian(hence African) caught up in Operation Varsity Blues.

Not everything revolves around race. This certainly was more SES than anything else.

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Anonymous wrote:The "gaming the system" poster thinks if she repeats the lie 1000 times, people will believe it to be true. If it's so easy to prep, why did white parents pay tens of thousands to have someone else take the SAT for their kids? The cheaters caught by Varsity blue are mostly white. If you have to look at everything in a racial angle, Caltech is 50% Asian. Maybe something else is in play other than "prep"?

And the "prep" thing is not even the problem FCPS was addressing. FCPS didn't spend this much time and energy to address a "prepping" problem. If that were the issue, Mr. Williams had already offered to write a new test that no one has seen for free. It costs nothing and problem solved. FCPS was addressing the racial makeup of TJ. All this "prep" stuff is just noise. But she will repeat the same lie tomorrow to distract from the real issue.

Irony: if you repeat the lie 1000 times...

There were at least 2 ethnic Chinese, 1 Indian, 1 Latino, 1 Persian, 1 Egyptian(hence African) caught up in Operation Varsity Blues.

Not everything revolves around race. This certainly was more SES than anything else.

Nice deflection. All the cheaters I saw on TV are white. How about the vast majority of the cheaters caught by varsity blue are white?

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If a merit based process for a public school magnet school doesn’t mirror the demographics of the county the URMs have every right to complain and sue.

If a merit-based process for choosing (and awarding scholarships for) a public university basketball team doesn't mirror the demographics of a state (or country) then whitey has every right to complain and sue.

Surely you can see how that is different.

A public magnet school should be a lottery. You can have academic requirements to get into the lottery. But Admissions for it should never have operated like a selective university or a college football team.

Why? This is a special program designed for allegedly adept students at a particular skill at a public institution.
Why not have a lottery to get on a basketball team for everyone over 6' 2"? Why not shut down all those urban asphalt basketball courts giving such an advantage to prospective athletes that prep?

[Anonymous]

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If a merit based process for a public school magnet school doesn’t mirror the demographics of the county the URMs have every right to complain and sue.

If a merit-based process for choosing (and awarding scholarships for) a public university basketball team doesn't mirror the demographics of a state (or country) then whitey has every right to complain and sue.

Surely you can see how that is different.

A public magnet school should be a lottery. You can have academic requirements to get into the lottery. But Admissions for it should never have operated like a selective university or a college football team.

Why? This is a special program designed for allegedly adept students at a particular skill at a public institution.
Why not have a lottery to get on a basketball team for everyone over 6' 2"? Why not shut down all those urban asphalt basketball courts giving such an advantage to prospective athletes that prep?

Because the job of a basketball team is to win games.

The fact that TJ routinely wins competitions of all kinds doesn't make that it's mission. And it still will - they've shaved off the bottom 30% of the class, not the top.

[Anonymous]

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If a merit based process for a public school magnet school doesn’t mirror the demographics of the county the URMs have every right to complain and sue.

If a merit-based process for choosing (and awarding scholarships for) a public university basketball team doesn't mirror the demographics of a state (or country) then whitey has every right to complain and sue.

Surely you can see how that is different.

A public magnet school should be a lottery. You can have academic requirements to get into the lottery. But Admissions for it should never have operated like a selective university or a college football team.

Why? This is a special program designed for allegedly adept students at a particular skill at a public institution.
Why not have a lottery to get on a basketball team for everyone over 6' 2"? Why not shut down all those urban asphalt basketball courts giving such an advantage to prospective athletes that prep?

Because the job of a basketball team is to win games.

The fact that TJ routinely wins competitions of all kinds doesn't make that it's mission. And it still will - they've shaved off the bottom 30% of the class, not the top.

+1000. The dumbass sports metaphor is so tired and racially charged. Thank you for making the point that still to this day no one has successfully refuted.

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The job of TJ is to teach kids. Your basic point is that kids who have allegedly shown themselves to be adept in math (or whatever) should not be provided any programs specifically designed to cater to this ability. However, if a kid is adept in basketball, they do deserve such a program. Apparently winning basketball games is more important for you guys than providing supplemental education for students demonstrating proficiency. That says a lot about you, doesn't it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:R.I.P TJ. This is some feels bad news:

"As Chief Equity Officer, Williams will be responsible for the Ombudsman Office, the Office of Professional Learning and Family Engagement, the Hearings Office, and admissions for Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology."

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fcps-announces-appointment-new-chief-academic-officer?utm_content=&utm_medium=email&utm_name=&utm_source=govdelivery&utm_term=

Long live the new and improved TJ!