Discussion Boundary Map out for APS- elementary schools

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Anonymous wrote:Car-less and family don’t really go hand in hand around here. We don’t have the infrastructure. This isn’t NYC

-1 Not true. We are a car-less family near Clarendon. Sure, we get a Zipcar now and then or Uber but you don't have to have a car here when you have kids.

How old are your kids?

Different poster, but we live in Clarendon without a car too. My kids are 12, 10, and 8.

So do your kids do any extracurriculars, camps, or lessons? Camp was what finally broke us into getting a second car.

Or do you just Uber/zip car a lot?

My kids do camp at the y, downtown, ice skating/hockey, or the camps through the county. We haven’t had an issue (yet), other than typical issues with having multiple kids who have different interests.
They play soccer and softball/baseball. They also swim year round. No issues so far getting them to anything, though the older one carpools to most of his stuff, but I think that’s typical of older kids from big families.

So how do your three kids get to the Y, the camps throughout the county, their swim. softball and baseball practices?

We walk. We live within a mile of most things they are signed up for, and we take the train/bus when we can’t walk. Lots of people get by without a car.

People who rely on carpools aren’t getting by without cars.

Different poster, but what is your point? That Rosslyn to Clarendon should be zoned to Taylor because that's best for APS as a whole? If that's not your point, how is this relevant to the thread?

The comment is relevant to the quoted conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:Car-less and family don’t really go hand in hand around here. We don’t have the infrastructure. This isn’t NYC

-1 Not true. We are a car-less family near Clarendon. Sure, we get a Zipcar now and then or Uber but you don't have to have a car here when you have kids.

How old are your kids?

Different poster, but we live in Clarendon without a car too. My kids are 12, 10, and 8.

So do your kids do any extracurriculars, camps, or lessons? Camp was what finally broke us into getting a second car.

Or do you just Uber/zip car a lot?

My kids do camp at the y, downtown, ice skating/hockey, or the camps through the county. We haven’t had an issue (yet), other than typical issues with having multiple kids who have different interests.
They play soccer and softball/baseball. They also swim year round. No issues so far getting them to anything, though the older one carpools to most of his stuff, but I think that’s typical of older kids from big families.

So how do your three kids get to the Y, the camps throughout the county, their swim. softball and baseball practices?

We walk. We live within a mile of most things they are signed up for, and we take the train/bus when we can’t walk. Lots of people get by without a car.

People who rely on carpools aren’t getting by without cars.

My older one has carpools because his activities often conflict with his siblings. Since he’s older, he is the one who I trust to get himself home and let himself in when he gets back. I don’t trust his eight year older sister enough to do that, so his sibling gets first dibs on parents coming with her to events. Lots of parents with more than two kids have this issue.
I don’t rely on other people to drive around my kids.

Your older one carpools? So he has his own car and drives his share of the time? Or you mean you just rely/cross-your-fingers that his friends' parents will take pity and drive him and you all never reciprocate? You can't carpool and not rely on other people to drive around your kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Your older one carpools? So he has his own car and drives his share of the time? Or you mean you just rely/cross-your-fingers that his friends' parents will take pity and drive him and you all never reciprocate? You can't carpool and not rely on other people to drive around your kids.

No, https://www.hopskipdrive.com/carpool

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Anonymous wrote:Car-less and family don’t really go hand in hand around here. We don’t have the infrastructure. This isn’t NYC

-1 Not true. We are a car-less family near Clarendon. Sure, we get a Zipcar now and then or Uber but you don't have to have a car here when you have kids.

How old are your kids?

Different poster, but we live in Clarendon without a car too. My kids are 12, 10, and 8.

So do your kids do any extracurriculars, camps, or lessons? Camp was what finally broke us into getting a second car.

Or do you just Uber/zip car a lot?

My kids do camp at the y, downtown, ice skating/hockey, or the camps through the county. We haven’t had an issue (yet), other than typical issues with having multiple kids who have different interests.
They play soccer and softball/baseball. They also swim year round. No issues so far getting them to anything, though the older one carpools to most of his stuff, but I think that’s typical of older kids from big families.

So how do your three kids get to the Y, the camps throughout the county, their swim. softball and baseball practices?

We walk. We live within a mile of most things they are signed up for, and we take the train/bus when we can’t walk. Lots of people get by without a car.

People who rely on carpools aren’t getting by without cars.

My older one has carpools because his activities often conflict with his siblings. Since he’s older, he is the one who I trust to get himself home and let himself in when he gets back. I don’t trust his eight year older sister enough to do that, so his sibling gets first dibs on parents coming with her to events. Lots of parents with more than two kids have this issue.
I don’t rely on other people to drive around my kids.

Your older one carpools? So he has his own car and drives his share of the time? Or you mean you just rely/cross-your-fingers that his friends' parents will take pity and drive him and you all never reciprocate? You can't carpool and not rely on other people to drive around your kids.

You don’t know me, you don’t know my family. I took his team mates to practices for years at oak grove, Quincy, w-l, tj, asfs, key, rocky run, long branch. Walking. His friends parents were more than happy to have me do it because they didn’t have to come home early.
Nobody pities my family, my eldest has had other parents take him to a total of two out of ten games this fall.
This has nothing to do with boundaries. I know some of you here can’t imagine lifestyles different than your own, but there are people who survive with multiple kids in parts of the county without a car.

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I think it’s ok to bus kids past their nearest school if (and only if):
1. You can guarantee reliable transportation, especially for the areas in the county that are being planned as car less
2. You allow and provide transportation to closer elementary schools for extended day
3. You provide a transparent means of transferring to your closest school that accounts for hardships and family circumstances
My kids bus has been reliably late for the six years we have been in elementary school. We report it, they claim to work on trying to fix it, it doesn’t get resolved and by October/November everyone either walks or bikes/drives anyways. Most of the parents in my neighborhood don’t have cars, I’m not sure what we would do if we couldn’t walk when the bus doesn’t show up. It doesn’t really matter if my entire neighborhood is going to an unwalkable school— though I guess we could share an Uber when the bus doesn’t show up.

What neighborhood is this where the majority of parents do not have cars? Sounds like some fact-checking is in order.

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Anonymous wrote:Car-less and family don’t really go hand in hand around here. We don’t have the infrastructure. This isn’t NYC

-1 Not true. We are a car-less family near Clarendon. Sure, we get a Zipcar now and then or Uber but you don't have to have a car here when you have kids.

How old are your kids?

Different poster, but we live in Clarendon without a car too. My kids are 12, 10, and 8.

So do your kids do any extracurriculars, camps, or lessons? Camp was what finally broke us into getting a second car.

Or do you just Uber/zip car a lot?

My kids do camp at the y, downtown, ice skating/hockey, or the camps through the county. We haven’t had an issue (yet), other than typical issues with having multiple kids who have different interests.
They play soccer and softball/baseball. They also swim year round. No issues so far getting them to anything, though the older one carpools to most of his stuff, but I think that’s typical of older kids from big families.

So how do your three kids get to the Y, the camps throughout the county, their swim. softball and baseball practices?

We walk. We live within a mile of most things they are signed up for, and we take the train/bus when we can’t walk. Lots of people get by without a car.

What neighborhood is this magical place, we get assigned practices and games all over the place. Or do you do EVERYTHING at the Y? Do county camps offer bus service? We did county camps but most years they aren’t at our neighborhood school.

I assume you must not work, b/c waking or taking pokey ART buses will take a *lot* of time.

By the way, what is your plan when the start the multi-year renovation of the Y next year?

[Anonymous]

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I think it’s ok to bus kids past their nearest school if (and only if):
1. You can guarantee reliable transportation, especially for the areas in the county that are being planned as car less
2. You allow and provide transportation to closer elementary schools for extended day
3. You provide a transparent means of transferring to your closest school that accounts for hardships and family circumstances
My kids bus has been reliably late for the six years we have been in elementary school. We report it, they claim to work on trying to fix it, it doesn’t get resolved and by October/November everyone either walks or bikes/drives anyways. Most of the parents in my neighborhood don’t have cars, I’m not sure what we would do if we couldn’t walk when the bus doesn’t show up. It doesn’t really matter if my entire neighborhood is going to an unwalkable school— though I guess we could share an Uber when the bus doesn’t show up.

What neighborhood is this where the majority of parents do not have cars? Sounds like some fact-checking is in order.

Interested to know this as well. I'd be interested to move to this neighborhood. Only data I can find ends at 2016 ... but states that 12.7% of Arlington VA households did not have a car [see: https://www.governing.com/gov-data/car-ownership-numbers-of-vehicles-by-city-map.html] guess they were all parents colocated in this one neighborhood.

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https://www.governing.com/gov-data/car-ownership-numbers-of-vehicles-by-city-map.html

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s ok to bus kids past their nearest school if (and only if):
1. You can guarantee reliable transportation, especially for the areas in the county that are being planned as car less
2. You allow and provide transportation to closer elementary schools for extended day
3. You provide a transparent means of transferring to your closest school that accounts for hardships and family circumstances
My kids bus has been reliably late for the six years we have been in elementary school. We report it, they claim to work on trying to fix it, it doesn’t get resolved and by October/November everyone either walks or bikes/drives anyways. Most of the parents in my neighborhood don’t have cars, I’m not sure what we would do if we couldn’t walk when the bus doesn’t show up. It doesn’t really matter if my entire neighborhood is going to an unwalkable school— though I guess we could share an Uber when the bus doesn’t show up.

Let me guess, your family falls into one of your “opt-out” categories? So what you mean is that it’s ok for OTHER families to be bussed past their nearest school.

If you look at the discussion map, there are a lot of places that are not going to the 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd closest school. Obviously not everyone is going to go to the very closest school, but if there are schools 1 mile, 2 miles, and 3 miles away, the one 3 miles away does not seem like an appropriate neighborhood zone.

An appropriate neighborhood zone is whatever the zone needs to be in the context of all the other neighborhood zones in the system. There are essential factors to consider other than the distance the crow flies.

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Anonymous wrote:Car-less and family don’t really go hand in hand around here. We don’t have the infrastructure. This isn’t NYC

-1 Not true. We are a car-less family near Clarendon. Sure, we get a Zipcar now and then or Uber but you don't have to have a car here when you have kids.

How old are your kids?

Different poster, but we live in Clarendon without a car too. My kids are 12, 10, and 8.

So do your kids do any extracurriculars, camps, or lessons? Camp was what finally broke us into getting a second car.

Or do you just Uber/zip car a lot?

My kids do camp at the y, downtown, ice skating/hockey, or the camps through the county. We haven’t had an issue (yet), other than typical issues with having multiple kids who have different interests.
They play soccer and softball/baseball. They also swim year round. No issues so far getting them to anything, though the older one carpools to most of his stuff, but I think that’s typical of older kids from big families.

So how do your three kids get to the Y, the camps throughout the county, their swim. softball and baseball practices?

We walk. We live within a mile of most things they are signed up for, and we take the train/bus when we can’t walk. Lots of people get by without a car.

People who rely on carpools aren’t getting by without cars.

My older one has carpools because his activities often conflict with his siblings. Since he’s older, he is the one who I trust to get himself home and let himself in when he gets back. I don’t trust his eight year older sister enough to do that, so his sibling gets first dibs on parents coming with her to events. Lots of parents with more than two kids have this issue.
I don’t rely on other people to drive around my kids.

Your older one carpools? So he has his own car and drives his share of the time? Or you mean you just rely/cross-your-fingers that his friends' parents will take pity and drive him and you all never reciprocate? You can't carpool and not rely on other people to drive around your kids.

DP. You are simply trying to be a PIA and obtuse. There's a difference between people who are constantly living off and taking advantage of others, and the poster you're antagonizing. We're a 2-car family (because we don't live along a metro line or a transit corridor that provides efficient transportation to the places we need to go on a daily basis). Our kids still get rides with friends to and from things. So what? And we give rides now and then too. And even if we couldn't because we didn't have a car, we'd "reciprocate" our kids' friends and their parents in other ways.
It's time for you to lay off.

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Anonymous wrote:Car-less and family don’t really go hand in hand around here. We don’t have the infrastructure. This isn’t NYC

-1 Not true. We are a car-less family near Clarendon. Sure, we get a Zipcar now and then or Uber but you don't have to have a car here when you have kids.

How old are your kids?

Different poster, but we live in Clarendon without a car too. My kids are 12, 10, and 8.

So do your kids do any extracurriculars, camps, or lessons? Camp was what finally broke us into getting a second car.

Or do you just Uber/zip car a lot?

My kids do camp at the y, downtown, ice skating/hockey, or the camps through the county. We haven’t had an issue (yet), other than typical issues with having multiple kids who have different interests.
They play soccer and softball/baseball. They also swim year round. No issues so far getting them to anything, though the older one carpools to most of his stuff, but I think that’s typical of older kids from big families.

So how do your three kids get to the Y, the camps throughout the county, their swim. softball and baseball practices?

We walk. We live within a mile of most things they are signed up for, and we take the train/bus when we can’t walk. Lots of people get by without a car.

What neighborhood is this magical place, we get assigned practices and games all over the place. Or do you do EVERYTHING at the Y? Do county camps offer bus service? We did county camps but most years they aren’t at our neighborhood school.

I assume you must not work, b/c waking or taking pokey ART buses will take a *lot* of time.

By the way, what is your plan when the start the multi-year renovation of the Y next year?

People, what's with the interrogation? The point is that some people do indeed live a family life with kids of all ages without owning a car. Stop trying to disprove or discredit someone who is successfully doing something you don't believe is possible or that you don't have the courage to do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I think it’s ok to bus kids past their nearest school if (and only if):
1. You can guarantee reliable transportation, especially for the areas in the county that are being planned as car less
2. You allow and provide transportation to closer elementary schools for extended day
3. You provide a transparent means of transferring to your closest school that accounts for hardships and family circumstances
My kids bus has been reliably late for the six years we have been in elementary school. We report it, they claim to work on trying to fix it, it doesn’t get resolved and by October/November everyone either walks or bikes/drives anyways. Most of the parents in my neighborhood don’t have cars, I’m not sure what we would do if we couldn’t walk when the bus doesn’t show up. It doesn’t really matter if my entire neighborhood is going to an unwalkable school— though I guess we could share an Uber when the bus doesn’t show up.

What neighborhood is this where the majority of parents do not have cars? Sounds like some fact-checking is in order.

Interested to know this as well. I'd be interested to move to this neighborhood. Only data I can find ends at 2016 ... but states that 12.7% of Arlington VA households did not have a car [see: https://www.governing.com/gov-data/car-ownership-numbers-of-vehicles-by-city-map.html] guess they were all parents colocated in this one neighborhood.

Or wherever people who just can't afford a car happen to live - ever think of that?

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We have two cars ourselves but know many families at our school who don’t have a car or just have one car. These families walk, bike, and bus around town.

Not sure why that’s so hard for the nasty posters to believe. There are tons of families who live in the high-density areas along the R-B corridor. And more buildings going up every year. Get your head out of your ass and you will notice these things.

[Anonymous]

Arlington hypes up a car free diet, some peoplereport that yes, they are living that way, and other people try to tear them down or snark about it. Arlington in a nutshell.

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Anonymous wrote:People who rely on carpools aren’t getting by without cars.

NP We are single car. We have a 9 and 13 year old. We use https://www.hopskipdrive.com/ for some activities for the older one now. Yes, the kids are in cars but not necessarily ones owned by us (or friends).

Pass.