Washington-Loving

[Anonymous]

I’m not sure if this has been addressed already, but as an AA, I’m somewhat insulted that Mrs. Loving apparently did not identify as AA and instead considered herself Native American.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4362508/loving-v-virginia-personas
https://michaelleroyoberg.com/current-events/the-loving-decision-and-the-concealed-history-of-virginias-native-peoples/

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Anonymous wrote:Loving is an acceptable alternative. I'm surprised at the people who think its funny. Who cares if your immature teen makes fun of a name? It's what they do. It's a weak reason to not use Loving as a school name.

It’s not like there is any good reason, either.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure if this has been addressed already, but as an AA, I’m somewhat insulted that Mrs. Loving apparently did not identify as AA and instead considered herself Native American.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4362508/loving-v-virginia-personas
https://michaelleroyoberg.com/current-events/the-loving-decision-and-the-concealed-history-of-virginias-native-peoples/

And a Native American would probably be insulted if she had chosen to identify as AA. Many of us are a blend of multiple backgrounds - at some point it becomes impractical to identify as all of them and you choose. Maybe someone identifies with a particular part of their background more because of closer family connections and relationships with relatives from that part of their background. Or maybe someone feels a particular group, like native americans, gets even less attention in the general conversation or advocacy and, sharing geneology, would like to speak up particularly for them over another group.

Be insulted, if you see it as about African Americans and your personal perspective. I suspect Mrs. Loving had a number of challenges and was going to be on the losing end no matter what decisions or statements she made.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure if this has been addressed already, but as an AA, I’m somewhat insulted that Mrs. Loving apparently did not identify as AA and instead considered herself Native American.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4362508/loving-v-virginia-personas
https://michaelleroyoberg.com/current-events/the-loving-decision-and-the-concealed-history-of-virginias-native-peoples/

And a Native American would probably be insulted if she had chosen to identify as AA. Many of us are a blend of multiple backgrounds - at some point it becomes impractical to identify as all of them and you choose. Maybe someone identifies with a particular part of their background more because of closer family connections and relationships with relatives from that part of their background. Or maybe someone feels a particular group, like native americans, gets even less attention in the general conversation or advocacy and, sharing geneology, would like to speak up particularly for them over another group.

Be insulted, if you see it as about African Americans and your personal perspective. I suspect Mrs. Loving had a number of challenges and was going to be on the losing end no matter what decisions or statements she made.

This may be true, but this woman who has African features and I personally know her relatives was most certainly black denied her heritage.
How often do we see white folks honoring Rachel Dolezal?

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Anonymous wrote:Loving is an acceptable alternative. I'm surprised at the people who think its funny. Who cares if your immature teen makes fun of a name? It's what they do. It's a weak reason to not use Loving as a school name.

There are several other excellent reasons already covered in this thread why many of us think that the name is not the best choice. And no, I very much prefer that my children who attend W-L not be known as the Washington-Loving Genitals, which apparently what some Yorktown students are already calling them. I'm okay if you think my children and I are immature because of that.

Most teens are immature. This is a sorry name for a school. The people who chose it are bending over backwards to be politically correct and are recommending a name that almost everyone hates just to show how progressive they are. Maybe, Washington-Lee is not a good name, but it has been the name for many, many years. If you are going to change it, please change it for a better name that will not be mocked.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop naming schools after people and just choose a location or characteristic/value name. I'd rather see a name like Independence HS or Maywood HS or Cherrydale HS than Washington Loving HS. That is like naming your child Xtacy or klimax.

Yes, was talking about this with people last night. That's what they do in Loudoun Co. Makes things so much easier and without controversy.

Unless they don’t - John Champe HS is one of the newer schools in Loudoun.

At least he was a revolutionary war hero (who tried to kidnap Benedict Arnold). But, I believe they have gone toward neutral names (Brair Woods, Freedom, Broad Run, Heritage, Park View, Riverside, Stonebridge, Woodgrove, Potomac Falls, etc.).

I actually love the name Cherrydale HS or Maywood HS. Go with something neutral and let the students and staff define the reputation by their behavior/accomplishments going forward.

Cherrydale would be fine and would correspond to a neighborhood in Arlington of considerable vintage zoned for W-L. Same for Maywood although I'd bet people are more familiar with Cherrydale.

Washington-Loving is too weird. Not to be a prude, but does APS really need to hold out particular married or sexual couples as a youth model? If Loving merits a high school name, you just know someone will insist on the names of litigants in gay marriage cases in the future. And I'm fine with my kid learning about these cases, but does it have to be the name of the freakin' school?

I feel the same way about these rapists and white supremacists Robert E Lee, George Washington, and even Thomas Jefferson. Yes their lives were the reality of the history of the United States, but we don’t have to name anything in their honor.

I think that if you feel so strongly that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are evil that you ought to move to another country.

Yeah I bet you think the same about people who think those white supremacits in Charlottesville were evil. They were good people weren’t they?

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Anonymous wrote:Stop naming schools after people and just choose a location or characteristic/value name. I'd rather see a name like Independence HS or Maywood HS or Cherrydale HS than Washington Loving HS. That is like naming your child Xtacy or klimax.

Yes, was talking about this with people last night. That's what they do in Loudoun Co. Makes things so much easier and without controversy.

Unless they don’t - John Champe HS is one of the newer schools in Loudoun.

At least he was a revolutionary war hero (who tried to kidnap Benedict Arnold). But, I believe they have gone toward neutral names (Brair Woods, Freedom, Broad Run, Heritage, Park View, Riverside, Stonebridge, Woodgrove, Potomac Falls, etc.).

I actually love the name Cherrydale HS or Maywood HS. Go with something neutral and let the students and staff define the reputation by their behavior/accomplishments going forward.

Cherrydale would be fine and would correspond to a neighborhood in Arlington of considerable vintage zoned for W-L. Same for Maywood although I'd bet people are more familiar with Cherrydale.

Washington-Loving is too weird. Not to be a prude, but does APS really need to hold out particular married or sexual couples as a youth model? If Loving merits a high school name, you just know someone will insist on the names of litigants in gay marriage cases in the future. And I'm fine with my kid learning about these cases, but does it have to be the name of the freakin' school?

I feel the same way about these rapists and white supremacists Robert E Lee, George Washington, and even Thomas Jefferson. Yes their lives were the reality of the history of the United States, but we don’t have to name anything in their honor.

I think that if you feel so strongly that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are evil that you ought to move to another country.

Yeah I bet you think the same about people who think those white supremacits in Charlottesville were evil. They were good people weren’t they?

Clueless. Why does this person even live here if he does not understand what our country would be without TJ and Washington? Imperfect, maybe, but they set up the framework for democracy. Sounds like he does not understand that and only looks at the US through a heavily tinted lens. Bet he thinks that Farrakhan is one of the good guys.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop naming schools after people and just choose a location or characteristic/value name. I'd rather see a name like Independence HS or Maywood HS or Cherrydale HS than Washington Loving HS. That is like naming your child Xtacy or klimax.

Yes, was talking about this with people last night. That's what they do in Loudoun Co. Makes things so much easier and without controversy.

Unless they don’t - John Champe HS is one of the newer schools in Loudoun.

At least he was a revolutionary war hero (who tried to kidnap Benedict Arnold). But, I believe they have gone toward neutral names (Brair Woods, Freedom, Broad Run, Heritage, Park View, Riverside, Stonebridge, Woodgrove, Potomac Falls, etc.).

I actually love the name Cherrydale HS or Maywood HS. Go with something neutral and let the students and staff define the reputation by their behavior/accomplishments going forward.

Cherrydale would be fine and would correspond to a neighborhood in Arlington of considerable vintage zoned for W-L. Same for Maywood although I'd bet people are more familiar with Cherrydale.

Washington-Loving is too weird. Not to be a prude, but does APS really need to hold out particular married or sexual couples as a youth model? If Loving merits a high school name, you just know someone will insist on the names of litigants in gay marriage cases in the future. And I'm fine with my kid learning about these cases, but does it have to be the name of the freakin' school?

I feel the same way about these rapists and white supremacists Robert E Lee, George Washington, and even Thomas Jefferson. Yes their lives were the reality of the history of the United States, but we don’t have to name anything in their honor.

I think that if you feel so strongly that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are evil that you ought to move to another country.

Yeah I bet you think the same about people who think those white supremacits in Charlottesville were evil. They were good people weren’t they?

Thomas Jefferson was a pedofile. He was having sex with a preteen slave. He was discusting.

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Farakhan is no pedofile.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop naming schools after people and just choose a location or characteristic/value name. I'd rather see a name like Independence HS or Maywood HS or Cherrydale HS than Washington Loving HS. That is like naming your child Xtacy or klimax.

Yes, was talking about this with people last night. That's what they do in Loudoun Co. Makes things so much easier and without controversy.

Unless they don’t - John Champe HS is one of the newer schools in Loudoun.

At least he was a revolutionary war hero (who tried to kidnap Benedict Arnold). But, I believe they have gone toward neutral names (Brair Woods, Freedom, Broad Run, Heritage, Park View, Riverside, Stonebridge, Woodgrove, Potomac Falls, etc.).

I actually love the name Cherrydale HS or Maywood HS. Go with something neutral and let the students and staff define the reputation by their behavior/accomplishments going forward.

Cherrydale would be fine and would correspond to a neighborhood in Arlington of considerable vintage zoned for W-L. Same for Maywood although I'd bet people are more familiar with Cherrydale.

Washington-Loving is too weird. Not to be a prude, but does APS really need to hold out particular married or sexual couples as a youth model? If Loving merits a high school name, you just know someone will insist on the names of litigants in gay marriage cases in the future. And I'm fine with my kid learning about these cases, but does it have to be the name of the freakin' school?

I feel the same way about these rapists and white supremacists Robert E Lee, George Washington, and even Thomas Jefferson. Yes their lives were the reality of the history of the United States, but we don’t have to name anything in their honor.

I think that if you feel so strongly that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are evil that you ought to move to another country.

Yeah I bet you think the same about people who think those white supremacits in Charlottesville were evil. They were good people weren’t they?

Clueless. Why does this person even live here if he does not understand what our country would be without TJ and Washington? Imperfect, maybe, but they set up the framework for democracy. Sounds like he does not understand that and only looks at the US through a heavily tinted lens. Bet he thinks that Farrakhan is one of the good guys.

+1. PP is nutty AF, especially given how dependent Arlington is on the Federal Government. Is it really a bunch of lunatics like this on the APS naming committee?

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Anonymous wrote:Stop naming schools after people and just choose a location or characteristic/value name. I'd rather see a name like Independence HS or Maywood HS or Cherrydale HS than Washington Loving HS. That is like naming your child Xtacy or klimax.

Yes, was talking about this with people last night. That's what they do in Loudoun Co. Makes things so much easier and without controversy.

Unless they don’t - John Champe HS is one of the newer schools in Loudoun.

At least he was a revolutionary war hero (who tried to kidnap Benedict Arnold). But, I believe they have gone toward neutral names (Brair Woods, Freedom, Broad Run, Heritage, Park View, Riverside, Stonebridge, Woodgrove, Potomac Falls, etc.).

I actually love the name Cherrydale HS or Maywood HS. Go with something neutral and let the students and staff define the reputation by their behavior/accomplishments going forward.

Cherrydale would be fine and would correspond to a neighborhood in Arlington of considerable vintage zoned for W-L. Same for Maywood although I'd bet people are more familiar with Cherrydale.

Washington-Loving is too weird. Not to be a prude, but does APS really need to hold out particular married or sexual couples as a youth model? If Loving merits a high school name, you just know someone will insist on the names of litigants in gay marriage cases in the future. And I'm fine with my kid learning about these cases, but does it have to be the name of the freakin' school?

I feel the same way about these rapists and white supremacists Robert E Lee, George Washington, and even Thomas Jefferson. Yes their lives were the reality of the history of the United States, but we don’t have to name anything in their honor.

I think that if you feel so strongly that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are evil that you ought to move to another country.

Yeah I bet you think the same about people who think those white supremacits in Charlottesville were evil. They were good people weren’t they?

Clueless. Why does this person even live here if he does not understand what our country would be without TJ and Washington? Imperfect, maybe, but they set up the framework for democracy. Sounds like he does not understand that and only looks at the US through a heavily tinted lens. Bet he thinks that Farrakhan is one of the good guys.

+1. PP is nutty AF, especially given how dependent Arlington is on the Federal Government. Is it really a bunch of lunatics like this on the APS naming committee?

How so?

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Is there going to be a public survey?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure if this has been addressed already, but as an AA, I’m somewhat insulted that Mrs. Loving apparently did not identify as AA and instead considered herself Native American.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4362508/loving-v-virginia-personas
https://michaelleroyoberg.com/current-events/the-loving-decision-and-the-concealed-history-of-virginias-native-peoples/

And a Native American would probably be insulted if she had chosen to identify as AA. Many of us are a blend of multiple backgrounds - at some point it becomes impractical to identify as all of them and you choose. Maybe someone identifies with a particular part of their background more because of closer family connections and relationships with relatives from that part of their background. Or maybe someone feels a particular group, like native americans, gets even less attention in the general conversation or advocacy and, sharing geneology, would like to speak up particularly for them over another group.

Be insulted, if you see it as about African Americans and your personal perspective. I suspect Mrs. Loving had a number of challenges and was going to be on the losing end no matter what decisions or statements she made.

DP. Are you kidding about Native Americans would have been offended if she had said she was AA. Clearly you have no undrstanding of history. The one drop rule and clear thinking at the time that blacks were basically subhuman made it very unlikely that any Native American would feel that way. Throughout this countries history there have been African Americans who have been able to "pass" and received more acceptance from whites, and instead of using that to teach whites that they are no different than any other black person and thereby help to diminish negative stereotypes, they played into the being different than other blacks narrative. I think that's what the pp is referring to. Loving basically tried to distance herself from being black to try to gain certain advantages for herself. I'm not sure what there is to celebrate about her. I applaud the judges/justices who had the courage to say barring interracial marriage was wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Loving is an acceptable alternative. I'm surprised at the people who think its funny. Who cares if your immature teen makes fun of a name? It's what they do. It's a weak reason to not use Loving as a school name.

There are several other excellent reasons already covered in this thread why many of us think that the name is not the best choice. And no, I very much prefer that my children who attend W-L not be known as the Washington-Loving Genitals, which apparently what some Yorktown students are already calling them. I'm okay if you think my children and I are immature because of that.

Most teens are immature. This is a sorry name for a school. The people who chose it are bending over backwards to be politically correct and are recommending a name that almost everyone hates just to show how progressive they are. Maybe, Washington-Lee is not a good name, but it has been the name for many, many years. If you are going to change it, please change it for a better name that will not be mocked.

I am glad you understand the immaturity of children, but it's a sorry state for adults who can't set an example and show respect for a couple that let their lives be dragged into the public for the benefit of others. You could show your children that respect and not condone their behavior, or at least not emulate it yourself. It just seems as though most of the people who use the fact that the name will be mocked really don't want their kids going to a school named for an interracial couple.

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Anonymous wrote:Loving is an acceptable alternative. I'm surprised at the people who think its funny. Who cares if your immature teen makes fun of a name? It's what they do. It's a weak reason to not use Loving as a school name.

There are several other excellent reasons already covered in this thread why many of us think that the name is not the best choice. And no, I very much prefer that my children who attend W-L not be known as the Washington-Loving Genitals, which apparently what some Yorktown students are already calling them. I'm okay if you think my children and I are immature because of that.

Most teens are immature. This is a sorry name for a school. The people who chose it are bending over backwards to be politically correct and are recommending a name that almost everyone hates just to show how progressive they are. Maybe, Washington-Lee is not a good name, but it has been the name for many, many years. If you are going to change it, please change it for a better name that will not be mocked.

I am glad you understand the immaturity of children, but it's a sorry state for adults who can't set an example and show respect for a couple that let their lives be dragged into the public for the benefit of others. You could show your children that respect and not condone their behavior, or at least not emulate it yourself. It just seems as though most of the people who use the fact that the name will be mocked really don't want their kids going to a school named for an interracial couple.

Take your straw man and shove it up your ass. The name sucks.
- person in an interracial marriage