Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ritchie park under the superintendents proposal: 10 percent farms, 6 percent SOL

wow!

This is because the demographics of the area around RP are different from the rest of the RM area.

RP2 and RP6 are closer to RP school and Falls grove.

Can anyone explain why we have a thin region from other side of 270 going to RP which divides Beall in two parts? I assumed that it's' to diversify RP and also not put all FARMs kids in Beall.

Suddenly diversity of RP doesn't matter?

Go reread the thread. Plenty of posts explaining the transfer of a certain number of kids to RP when they move the school out of the newer highly regarded Wootton cluster in 1990. At that point 60% of RP was walking to Frost/Wootton and now would have to to be bussed to old/failing/under-enrolled JW/RM. Many people protested. Housing prices plummeted so no one could really move or sell. So many people just sent their kids to private or religious schools. RP enrollment dropped each year going from 276 in 1989 to 166 in 1994. RM had no choice but to rezone and added part of Beall neighborhood to bring enrollment up to 230 the next year. It was the smallest amount to send without breaking up large Beall neighborhoods. FARMS rate was still very low for RP because it wasn't considered that low income area. That has more happened over the course of the past 20 years after that section was moved. The irony is that if RP zoned families kept their kids in the cluster and not private, they wouldn't have been rezoned. But that area has a ton of kids in private. St Raphaels. JDS, St E's are all so close. Not to mention many send their kids to other prestigious privates. My bet is 1/3 of eligible kids in Horizon Hill and Potomac Woods go to private schools. The entire Horizon Hill only has one bus to RP. It's pretty sad because there isn't a big community feel like other neighborhoods. And when you do go to the public school, many of your neighbors don't go and many of your school mates live a few miles away in Fallsgrove or way up Maryland Ave. It is just very strange.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ritchie park under the superintendents proposal: 10 percent farms, 6 percent SOL

wow!

This is because the demographics of the area around RP are different from the rest of the RM area.

RP2 and RP6 are closer to RP school and Falls grove.

Can anyone explain why we have a thin region from other side of 270 going to RP which divides Beall in two parts? I assumed that it's' to diversify RP and also not put all FARMs kids in Beall.

Suddenly diversity of RP doesn't matter?

Go reread the thread. Plenty of posts explaining the transfer of a certain number of kids to RP when they move the school out of the newer highly regarded Wootton cluster in 1990. At that point 60% of RP was walking to Frost/Wootton and now would have to to be bussed to old/failing/under-enrolled JW/RM. Many people protested. Housing prices plummeted so no one could really move or sell. So many people just sent their kids to private or religious schools. RP enrollment dropped each year going from 276 in 1989 to 166 in 1994. RM had no choice but to rezone and added part of Beall neighborhood to bring enrollment up to 230 the next year. It was the smallest amount to send without breaking up large Beall neighborhoods. FARMS rate was still very low for RP because it wasn't considered that low income area. That has more happened over the course of the past 20 years after that section was moved. The irony is that if RP zoned families kept their kids in the cluster and not private, they wouldn't have been rezoned. But that area has a ton of kids in private. St Raphaels. JDS, St E's are all so close. Not to mention many send their kids to other prestigious privates. My bet is 1/3 of eligible kids in Horizon Hill and Potomac Woods go to private schools. The entire Horizon Hill only has one bus to RP. It's pretty sad because there isn't a big community feel like other neighborhoods. And when you do go to the public school, many of your neighbors don't go and many of your school mates live a few miles away in Fallsgrove or way up Maryland Ave. It is just very strange.

This is not true. There are two buses.

[Anonymous]

Anybody who only knew about Horizon Hill from reading DCUM would think that the main topic of conversation in Horizon Hill is the 1987 rezoning from Wootton to RM.

It's one of those epochal moments, I guess, like the Battle of Kahlenberg or the fall of the second temple in Jerusalem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ritchie park under the superintendents proposal: 10 percent farms, 6 percent SOL

wow!

This is because the demographics of the area around RP are different from the rest of the RM area.

RP2 and RP6 are closer to RP school and Falls grove.

Can anyone explain why we have a thin region from other side of 270 going to RP which divides Beall in two parts? I assumed that it's' to diversify RP and also not put all FARMs kids in Beall.

Suddenly diversity of RP doesn't matter?

Go reread the thread. Plenty of posts explaining the transfer of a certain number of kids to RP when they move the school out of the newer highly regarded Wootton cluster in 1990. At that point 60% of RP was walking to Frost/Wootton and now would have to to be bussed to old/failing/under-enrolled JW/RM. Many people protested. Housing prices plummeted so no one could really move or sell. So many people just sent their kids to private or religious schools. RP enrollment dropped each year going from 276 in 1989 to 166 in 1994. RM had no choice but to rezone and added part of Beall neighborhood to bring enrollment up to 230 the next year. It was the smallest amount to send without breaking up large Beall neighborhoods. FARMS rate was still very low for RP because it wasn't considered that low income area. That has more happened over the course of the past 20 years after that section was moved. The irony is that if RP zoned families kept their kids in the cluster and not private, they wouldn't have been rezoned. But that area has a ton of kids in private. St Raphaels. JDS, St E's are all so close. Not to mention many send their kids to other prestigious privates. My bet is 1/3 of eligible kids in Horizon Hill and Potomac Woods go to private schools. The entire Horizon Hill only has one bus to RP. It's pretty sad because there isn't a big community feel like other neighborhoods. And when you do go to the public school, many of your neighbors don't go and many of your school mates live a few miles away in Fallsgrove or way up Maryland Ave. It is just very strange.

1/3 is very possible I live in HH. The public bus for ES has a lot of kids now, though, but before that there are actually a number of kids that are out waiting for what I can only assume is a private school bus, since it doesn't match the times of the MS, HS, or ES buses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ritchie park under the superintendents proposal: 10 percent farms, 6 percent SOL

wow!

This is because the demographics of the area around RP are different from the rest of the RM area.

RP2 and RP6 are closer to RP school and Falls grove.

Can anyone explain why we have a thin region from other side of 270 going to RP which divides Beall in two parts? I assumed that it's' to diversify RP and also not put all FARMs kids in Beall.

Suddenly diversity of RP doesn't matter?

Go reread the thread. Plenty of posts explaining the transfer of a certain number of kids to RP when they move the school out of the newer highly regarded Wootton cluster in 1990. At that point 60% of RP was walking to Frost/Wootton and now would have to to be bussed to old/failing/under-enrolled JW/RM. Many people protested. Housing prices plummeted so no one could really move or sell. So many people just sent their kids to private or religious schools. RP enrollment dropped each year going from 276 in 1989 to 166 in 1994. RM had no choice but to rezone and added part of Beall neighborhood to bring enrollment up to 230 the next year. It was the smallest amount to send without breaking up large Beall neighborhoods. FARMS rate was still very low for RP because it wasn't considered that low income area. That has more happened over the course of the past 20 years after that section was moved. The irony is that if RP zoned families kept their kids in the cluster and not private, they wouldn't have been rezoned. But that area has a ton of kids in private. St Raphaels. JDS, St E's are all so close. Not to mention many send their kids to other prestigious privates. My bet is 1/3 of eligible kids in Horizon Hill and Potomac Woods go to private schools. The entire Horizon Hill only has one bus to RP. It's pretty sad because there isn't a big community feel like other neighborhoods. And when you do go to the public school, many of your neighbors don't go and many of your school mates live a few miles away in Fallsgrove or way up Maryland Ave. It is just very strange.

This is not true. There are two buses.

Okay, 1/4 of another bus goes to the other 2 sections of Horizon Hill closer to Wooton. They share that bus with Park Potomac and Twin Oaks neighborhoods. For the size of a Horizon Hill and Potomac Woods, very little kids go to RP and many kids do private and close by religious schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anybody who only knew about Horizon Hill from reading DCUM would think that the main topic of conversation in Horizon Hill is the 1987 rezoning from Wootton to RM.

It's one of those epochal moments, I guess, like the Battle of Kahlenberg or the fall of the second temple in Jerusalem.

If people stop asking why/how a million times over instead of reading the thread, it wouldn't have to keep being explained. The fact that the cluster families continues to point to RP as not being fair to have 10% FARMS is getting ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ritchie park under the superintendents proposal: 10 percent farms, 6 percent SOL

wow!

This is because the demographics of the area around RP are different from the rest of the RM area.

RP2 and RP6 are closer to RP school and Falls grove.

Can anyone explain why we have a thin region from other side of 270 going to RP which divides Beall in two parts? I assumed that it's' to diversify RP and also not put all FARMs kids in Beall.

Suddenly diversity of RP doesn't matter?

Go reread the thread. Plenty of posts explaining the transfer of a certain number of kids to RP when they move the school out of the newer highly regarded Wootton cluster in 1990. At that point 60% of RP was walking to Frost/Wootton and now would have to to be bussed to old/failing/under-enrolled JW/RM. Many people protested. Housing prices plummeted so no one could really move or sell. So many people just sent their kids to private or religious schools. RP enrollment dropped each year going from 276 in 1989 to 166 in 1994. RM had no choice but to rezone and added part of Beall neighborhood to bring enrollment up to 230 the next year. It was the smallest amount to send without breaking up large Beall neighborhoods. FARMS rate was still very low for RP because it wasn't considered that low income area. That has more happened over the course of the past 20 years after that section was moved. The irony is that if RP zoned families kept their kids in the cluster and not private, they wouldn't have been rezoned. But that area has a ton of kids in private. St Raphaels. JDS, St E's are all so close. Not to mention many send their kids to other prestigious privates. My bet is 1/3 of eligible kids in Horizon Hill and Potomac Woods go to private schools. The entire Horizon Hill only has one bus to RP. It's pretty sad because there isn't a big community feel like other neighborhoods. And when you do go to the public school, many of your neighbors don't go and many of your school mates live a few miles away in Fallsgrove or way up Maryland Ave. It is just very strange.

This is not true. There are two buses.

Okay, 1/4 of another bus goes to the other 2 sections of Horizon Hill closer to Wooton. They share that bus with Park Potomac and Twin Oaks neighborhoods. For the size of a Horizon Hill and Potomac Woods, very little kids go to RP and many kids do private and close by religious schools.

There are also a ton of retirees with grown children in HH, hence the one bus in HH. We are surrounded by them. I have seen a couple of new families move in recently, and they all go to RP/JW, at least where I am.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ritchie park under the superintendents proposal: 10 percent farms, 6 percent SOL

wow!

This is because the demographics of the area around RP are different from the rest of the RM area.

RP2 and RP6 are closer to RP school and Falls grove.

Can anyone explain why we have a thin region from other side of 270 going to RP which divides Beall in two parts? I assumed that it's' to diversify RP and also not put all FARMs kids in Beall.

Suddenly diversity of RP doesn't matter?

Go reread the thread. Plenty of posts explaining the transfer of a certain number of kids to RP when they move the school out of the newer highly regarded Wootton cluster in 1990. At that point 60% of RP was walking to Frost/Wootton and now would have to to be bussed to old/failing/under-enrolled JW/RM. Many people protested. Housing prices plummeted so no one could really move or sell. So many people just sent their kids to private or religious schools. RP enrollment dropped each year going from 276 in 1989 to 166 in 1994. RM had no choice but to rezone and added part of Beall neighborhood to bring enrollment up to 230 the next year. It was the smallest amount to send without breaking up large Beall neighborhoods. FARMS rate was still very low for RP because it wasn't considered that low income area. That has more happened over the course of the past 20 years after that section was moved. The irony is that if RP zoned families kept their kids in the cluster and not private, they wouldn't have been rezoned. But that area has a ton of kids in private. St Raphaels. JDS, St E's are all so close. Not to mention many send their kids to other prestigious privates. My bet is 1/3 of eligible kids in Horizon Hill and Potomac Woods go to private schools. The entire Horizon Hill only has one bus to RP. It's pretty sad because there isn't a big community feel like other neighborhoods. And when you do go to the public school, many of your neighbors don't go and many of your school mates live a few miles away in Fallsgrove or way up Maryland Ave. It is just very strange.

I live in Potomac Woods and this is 100% not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ritchie park under the superintendents proposal: 10 percent farms, 6 percent SOL

wow!

This is because the demographics of the area around RP are different from the rest of the RM area.

RP2 and RP6 are closer to RP school and Falls grove.

Can anyone explain why we have a thin region from other side of 270 going to RP which divides Beall in two parts? I assumed that it's' to diversify RP and also not put all FARMs kids in Beall.

Suddenly diversity of RP doesn't matter?

Go reread the thread. Plenty of posts explaining the transfer of a certain number of kids to RP when they move the school out of the newer highly regarded Wootton cluster in 1990. At that point 60% of RP was walking to Frost/Wootton and now would have to to be bussed to old/failing/under-enrolled JW/RM. Many people protested. Housing prices plummeted so no one could really move or sell. So many people just sent their kids to private or religious schools. RP enrollment dropped each year going from 276 in 1989 to 166 in 1994. RM had no choice but to rezone and added part of Beall neighborhood to bring enrollment up to 230 the next year. It was the smallest amount to send without breaking up large Beall neighborhoods. FARMS rate was still very low for RP because it wasn't considered that low income area. That has more happened over the course of the past 20 years after that section was moved. The irony is that if RP zoned families kept their kids in the cluster and not private, they wouldn't have been rezoned. But that area has a ton of kids in private. St Raphaels. JDS, St E's are all so close. Not to mention many send their kids to other prestigious privates. My bet is 1/3 of eligible kids in Horizon Hill and Potomac Woods go to private schools. The entire Horizon Hill only has one bus to RP. It's pretty sad because there isn't a big community feel like other neighborhoods. And when you do go to the public school, many of your neighbors don't go and many of your school mates live a few miles away in Fallsgrove or way up Maryland Ave. It is just very strange.

I live in Potomac Woods and this is 100% not true.

Those enrollment numbers are factually accurate though...

[Anonymous]

So the current families are still basing their school decisions on the way RM was in 1990?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the current families are still basing their school decisions on the way RM was in 1990?

I live in HH and no observations about the other areas. However, the new families in HH appear to have chosen this district (RM) purposely over others (e.g., Wootton). They have cited the IB program and more preferred racial and SES diversity levels as reasons for moving to HH. Many are mixed-race or minority families with younger children. They seem to all choose the public route for school. The older families are sore about the 1987 decision still.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody who only knew about Horizon Hill from reading DCUM would think that the main topic of conversation in Horizon Hill is the 1987 rezoning from Wootton to RM.

It's one of those epochal moments, I guess, like the Battle of Kahlenberg or the fall of the second temple in Jerusalem.

If people stop asking why/how a million times over instead of reading the thread, it wouldn't have to keep being explained. The fact that the cluster families continues to point to RP as not being fair to have 10% FARMS is getting ridiculous.

I don't understand how rezoning Ritchie Park from Wootton to Richard Montgomery in 1987 relates to FARMS percentages in Richard Montgomery ES rezoning in 2017 -- other than that Ritchie Park wouldn't have been in the Richard Montgomery ES rezoning in 2017 but for the 1987 decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody who only knew about Horizon Hill from reading DCUM would think that the main topic of conversation in Horizon Hill is the 1987 rezoning from Wootton to RM.

It's one of those epochal moments, I guess, like the Battle of Kahlenberg or the fall of the second temple in Jerusalem.

If people stop asking why/how a million times over instead of reading the thread, it wouldn't have to keep being explained. The fact that the cluster families continues to point to RP as not being fair to have 10% FARMS is getting ridiculous.

I don't understand how rezoning Ritchie Park from Wootton to Richard Montgomery in 1987 relates to FARMS percentages in Richard Montgomery ES rezoning in 2017 -- other than that Ritchie Park wouldn't have been in the Richard Montgomery ES rezoning in 2017 but for the 1987 decision.

Let me try to explain the argument being made:

RP rezoning caused RP families to go private
RP enrollment went down
RP gets rezoned for more areas to boost enrollment
RMES#5 gets built and draws from all other cluster ESs, including RP, whose portion is largely the low-income demographic of the school (due to proximity)
Result: RP no longer even closely resembles the RM demographics.

The argument being made is that this rezoning makes RP not at all like the other RM schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the current families are still basing their school decisions on the way RM was in 1990?

I live in HH and no observations about the other areas. However, the new families in HH appear to have chosen this district (RM) purposely over others (e.g., Wootton). They have cited the IB program and more preferred racial and SES diversity levels as reasons for moving to HH. Many are mixed-race or minority families with younger children. They seem to all choose the public route for school. The older families are sore about the 1987 decision still.

+1 Another HH resident. These were the exact reasons we chose this area.

[Anonymous]

another thing to consider is that since crown high school seems like a legitimate possibility, that could affect fallsgrove in the future.

i'd assume that fallsgrove would get redistricted to crown high