Do you think the Pimmit Hills area will eventually become upscale?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh please. Stop pretending that as long as you have to drive, all distances become equal. Trader Joe's and Whole Foods are literally across the street from PH. So is Safeway. Every kind of big box store you can think of is up Rt 7. Every kind of other store you can think of is up in Tysons five minutes away, way better and closer than Mosaic to 22042. All of PH is either five, maximum ten-minute drive to either WFC or McLean Station. Not even mentioning a massive job base in Tysons.

So you've conceding, as you must, these are mostly car-dependent amenities (no one in their right mind wants to cross Route 7 to get to PH with groceries from Whole Foods) and just arguing Pimmit Hills is somewhat more convenient. You can live in 22042 and have shopping at your fingertips within minutes as well (it may be easier to get to some places off Lee or Arlington from 22042 than to try to get to the "big box" side of Tysons from Pimmit, in fact). Spending another five minutes in your car to get to a job in Tysons is not necessarily a deal-breaker, either.

You are trying to suggest that there's some type of breakpoint between PH and nearby areas like 22042, and that's simply not the case. If prices in PH gets too high, people may stretch a bit more to live in McLean and Vienna, or turn to areas like 22042 instead if they feel priced out. PH is now squeezed on both ends, which may be why activity in the area has slowed. It has its place in the local market, but it's not going to be as high-end as some keep trying to suggest.

Well at least you admit that there is no high end in 22042. People won't turn to other places like 22042 because they are looking for the location and schools. People will look at McLean/22043 McLean if PH prices get too high but there is still quite a bit of room.

The question is, will the new silver line walkable retail development impact the desirability of PH when it is complete? That is the future question that people are willing to make a bet on if prices get higher. It's similar to what is in north arlington with people picking a lower ranked washington and lee high school because of the north Arlington location. The ony positive is that PH school zones are still rated highly so it's not a matter of McLean being that much better in terms of schools like a washington lee vs yorktown situation.

There is some high end in 22042. There's probably more than in PH, though not nearly as much as in 22043 or McLean. But, again, that's not the point. If people think PH is getting too pricy, they can go in either direction. One option is to scale back and decide they will accept lower rated schools in exchange for a nicer house in an area that is still very convenient.

Pimmit Hills and Tysons will never be like North Arlington along the Orange Line corridor. No one who wants to live near Court House or Clarendon realistically thinks Pimmit Hills is going to offer a similar walkable lifestyle. You really need to compare the scale of the types of develolpment under consideration. I hope you're not trying to convince people to pay more than they are already in PH in anticipation of something that is not going to materialize.

The school comparisons aren't really on point, either. The Marshall pyramid didn't improve because people wanted to be in Pimmit Hills near Tysons the way that W-L improved because people wanted to live near the Orange Line. It improved because there was a ton of expensive housing built elsewhere in Vienna and Dunn Loring in the 1990s. It's actually more interesting to me that people are now moving into South Arlington now for its convenience and affordability, even though the schools aren't that highly rated and it's not as walkable as Clarendon or Court House. That tells me that people will likely keep moving into convenient, affordable places like 22042 as well.

The facts don't measure up in your claims of south arlington and 22042 and marshall high school.

But it's cute keep trying, don't give up!

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I never argued that PH is completely car-independent. I am not sure why you are trying to bring up things that were never said, and attribute that to me. Who walks for groceries anyway? You don't have to cross Rt 7 for Trader Joe's, and one can certainly walk there from PH if one wants to, as well as to a coffee shop, pizza place, running store etc.

22042 is not "just five more minutes" to Tysons. You know that very well.

Of course there is a breakpoint between PH and 22042. That breakpoint is in degree of their desirability, and it is explained by very objective factors - quality of schools, proximity to public transit and job centers, shopping, amenities etc. That's not to say 22042 cannot improve in the future, but it is simply not comparable to PH today - not because PH is prettier or architecturally superior, but because of what PH offers that 22042 does not. I never argued PH is high-end or upscale, and in fact I was one of the first posters to say so in this thread, but arguing that it is equal to 22042 is wrong on its face.

You're not using a screen name, so you have to accept that statements here relating to PH get read in tandem.

Depending on the location, you can live in 22042 and be only five minutes further from Tysons than parts of Pimmit. The areas are very close to one another.

We totally disagree on whether there is a breakpoint between PH and 22042. Every single "objective factor" you cite is a statistic that can be measured along a continuum. And, to be clear, I have never argued that 22042 is "equal" to PH (although I do think much of the housing is more attractive), but only that people will consider it as an alternative to PH if they feel PH is getting too expensive, they aren't getting enough for the money, etc. It's just crazy to pretend otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh please. Stop pretending that as long as you have to drive, all distances become equal. Trader Joe's and Whole Foods are literally across the street from PH. So is Safeway. Every kind of big box store you can think of is up Rt 7. Every kind of other store you can think of is up in Tysons five minutes away, way better and closer than Mosaic to 22042. All of PH is either five, maximum ten-minute drive to either WFC or McLean Station. Not even mentioning a massive job base in Tysons.

So you've conceding, as you must, these are mostly car-dependent amenities (no one in their right mind wants to cross Route 7 to get to PH with groceries from Whole Foods) and just arguing Pimmit Hills is somewhat more convenient. You can live in 22042 and have shopping at your fingertips within minutes as well (it may be easier to get to some places off Lee or Arlington from 22042 than to try to get to the "big box" side of Tysons from Pimmit, in fact). Spending another five minutes in your car to get to a job in Tysons is not necessarily a deal-breaker, either.

You are trying to suggest that there's some type of breakpoint between PH and nearby areas like 22042, and that's simply not the case. If prices in PH gets too high, people may stretch a bit more to live in McLean and Vienna, or turn to areas like 22042 instead if they feel priced out. PH is now squeezed on both ends, which may be why activity in the area has slowed. It has its place in the local market, but it's not going to be as high-end as some keep trying to suggest.

Well at least you admit that there is no high end in 22042. People won't turn to other places like 22042 because they are looking for the location and schools. People will look at McLean/22043 McLean if PH prices get too high but there is still quite a bit of room.

The question is, will the new silver line walkable retail development impact the desirability of PH when it is complete? That is the future question that people are willing to make a bet on if prices get higher. It's similar to what is in north arlington with people picking a lower ranked washington and lee high school because of the north Arlington location. The ony positive is that PH school zones are still rated highly so it's not a matter of McLean being that much better in terms of schools like a washington lee vs yorktown situation.

There is some high end in 22042. There's probably more than in PH, though not nearly as much as in 22043 or McLean. But, again, that's not the point. If people think PH is getting too pricy, they can go in either direction. One option is to scale back and decide they will accept lower rated schools in exchange for a nicer house in an area that is still very convenient.

Pimmit Hills and Tysons will never be like North Arlington along the Orange Line corridor. No one who wants to live near Court House or Clarendon realistically thinks Pimmit Hills is going to offer a similar walkable lifestyle. You really need to compare the scale of the types of develolpment under consideration. I hope you're not trying to convince people to pay more than they are already in PH in anticipation of something that is not going to materialize.

The school comparisons aren't really on point, either. The Marshall pyramid didn't improve because people wanted to be in Pimmit Hills near Tysons the way that W-L improved because people wanted to live near the Orange Line. It improved because there was a ton of expensive housing built elsewhere in Vienna and Dunn Loring in the 1990s. It's actually more interesting to me that people are now moving into South Arlington now for its convenience and affordability, even though the schools aren't that highly rated and it's not as walkable as Clarendon or Court House. That tells me that people will likely keep moving into convenient, affordable places like 22042 as well.

The facts don't measure up in your claims of south arlington and 22042 and marshall high school.

But it's cute keep trying, don't give up!

It's going to take more than you're not liking them to make that the case.

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I never argued that PH is completely car-independent. I am not sure why you are trying to bring up things that were never said, and attribute that to me. Who walks for groceries anyway? You don't have to cross Rt 7 for Trader Joe's, and one can certainly walk there from PH if one wants to, as well as to a coffee shop, pizza place, running store etc.

22042 is not "just five more minutes" to Tysons. You know that very well.

Of course there is a breakpoint between PH and 22042. That breakpoint is in degree of their desirability, and it is explained by very objective factors - quality of schools, proximity to public transit and job centers, shopping, amenities etc. That's not to say 22042 cannot improve in the future, but it is simply not comparable to PH today - not because PH is prettier or architecturally superior, but because of what PH offers that 22042 does not. I never argued PH is high-end or upscale, and in fact I was one of the first posters to say so in this thread, but arguing that it is equal to 22042 is wrong on its face.

You're not using a screen name, so you have to accept that statements here relating to PH get read in tandem.

Depending on the location, you can live in 22042 and be only five minutes further from Tysons than parts of Pimmit. The areas are very close to one another.

We totally disagree on whether there is a breakpoint between PH and 22042. Every single "objective factor" you cite is a statistic that can be measured along a continuum. And, to be clear, I have never argued that 22042 is "equal" to PH (although I do think much of the housing is more attractive), but only that people will consider it as an alternative to PH if they feel PH is getting too expensive, they aren't getting enough for the money, etc. It's just crazy to pretend otherwise.

22042 and 22043 are completely different locations and amenities. Only a moron would consider 22042 , they would look at other places in Marshall or McLean district.

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HAHAHAHAHA you are funny. Keep beating that Arlington Orange Line drum and ignore the silver line developments, it's quite funny. Developers have already shifted their efforts to the silver line and have left most of the north arlington orange line developments. Most of the orange line is looking very early 90s now a days.

It's the "now a days" poster!

Please, it's "nowadays."

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Now you are are being stupid, historically that area used to be more upscale but fell hard in the late 70s and 80s. Look I live in the premiere area that is better than both that 22042 and pimmit hills. I can tell you 22042 has no hope for the future as a family friendly and stable neighborhood. Mosaic may be a good thing but it's not built for families and most of the families venturing there live in other neighborhoods.

I think that pimmit hills has historically had a bad name associated with it but there are way too many things going for it, location , silver line / orange line, massive redevelopment across the street in tysons, great schools, superior location between all major roads, larger lots w/ mature trees, sidewalks, younger families because of the entry level housing prices as well as new builds etc...

The "premiere area"? LOL.

Anyway, your logic is less than compelling. Pimmit Hills isn't that great today, and there are limits to its upside potential given the housing, but it's better than it was when people associated it with the Pagans and other gangs and Marshall was considered one of the worst high schools in the county (not just because it drew from PH but also because it drew from lower-income apartments that are still around). 22042 has a great location and, more recently, has been appreciating more rapidly than the PH zip code.

As for all the things you claim are going for PH, don't exaggerate. The Metro stations aren't really within walking distance for most residents; people don't necessarily want to be surrounded by super-highways; the elementaries aren't as highly rated as others in McLean and Vienna; and the schools are overcrowded and projected to be seriously over-capacity soon. The main thing it has had going for it was that it was less expensive than some nearby areas, but if prices go up more people will just look elsewhere for entry-level housing, new builds, etc.

Metro stations are within walking distance to each side whether silver or orange
the elementary are rated 7 and 9
The schools have been renovated and expanded with trailers to be removed in this summer

Let's contrast that with 22042
Bad schools all around
No metro access
You have no idea about over crowding, in fact 22042 is heavily and continues to be overcrowded with ESOL and FARMs. They have to use office building to build up to accommodate the mass of students.

Stop being a whiny bitch and get over it.

-McLean resident

Most of PH is not walkable to Orange or Silver. The area walkable to WFC is near Haycock Road, not PH. The area that realistically is walkable to the McLean station is on the other side of Magarity closer to 123 than PH.

Your GS data for the elementaries is wrong. Kilmer MS is seriously overcrowded and going to get worse.

The 22042 schools are higher ranked than you say (FCHS was rated highly by US News) and not many kids in 22042 go to Bailey's Upper, the brand-new building for the arts/sciences magnet.

Just because you identify more with PH than other areas doesn't mean you have your facts right. Get a clue.

Fairfax county officials and residents agree that the bustling portion of Fairfax County that includes Bailey’s Crossroads and Seven Corners sorely needs another elementary school.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/crowded-classrooms-prompt-fight-over-where-to-put-new-school-in-fairfax-county/2015/01/14/efa76e16-8212-11e4-8882-03cf08410beb_story.html?hpid=z3

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When this is what a search for notable residents of a neighborhood turns up, "upscale" is not in the cards.

http://mynameisearl.wikia.com/wiki/Pimmit_Hills_Trailer_Park

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PH = PROXIMITY, BABY.

You can't overlook that. On paper, or otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:When this is what a search for notable residents of a neighborhood turns up, "upscale" is not in the cards.

http://mynameisearl.wikia.com/wiki/Pimmit_Hills_Trailer_Park

LOL. Those are fictional characters, this is Pimmit Hills' best known resident.

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Location, location, location.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. We looked in Pimmit Hills back in 2013 but did not like the appearance of the neighborhood. We bought in the Pine Spring-Jackson-Falls Church pyramid instead and, so far, have been very happy with the schools. I agree with PP that there are a lot of snobs in the Marshall district now. We know our schools aren't rated the highest in the area, and that's fine with us. We like that our kids are exposed to greater diversity and that the parents aren't "McLean wanna-be's," which is the impression we got about Pimmit Hills. So please enjoy your McMansions and continue to say negative things about our area. We like it better this way.

To be fair, Pimmit Hills is within the McLean Citizens Association area and has had to really work to have a presence there. So in a way they aren't McLean wannabees since they are already part of the organization. I have yet to meet a Pimmit Hills snob. Agree there is a crazy PH poster online but she or he are probably just a long time resident wanting to sell soon. The neighborhood is mainly middle income families and individual people just trying to make a living in Fairfax County. I think they are happy all their hard work on improving the area is paying off. That's all. I do think there is a bit less diversity in Pimmit than 22042, but there's more than in Vienna or McLean. We live somewhere else now, but I thought Pimmit was the most convenient and friendly place I've lived in. I hope it does well.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. We looked in Pimmit Hills back in 2013 but did not like the appearance of the neighborhood. We bought in the Pine Spring-Jackson-Falls Church pyramid instead and, so far, have been very happy with the schools. I agree with PP that there are a lot of snobs in the Marshall district now. We know our schools aren't rated the highest in the area, and that's fine with us. We like that our kids are exposed to greater diversity and that the parents aren't "McLean wanna-be's," which is the impression we got about Pimmit Hills. So please enjoy your McMansions and continue to say negative things about our area. We like it better this way.

To be fair, Pimmit Hills is within the McLean Citizens Association area and has had to really work to have a presence there. So in a way they aren't McLean wannabees since they are already part of the organization. I have yet to meet a Pimmit Hills snob. Agree there is a crazy PH poster online but she or he are probably just a long time resident wanting to sell soon. The neighborhood is mainly middle income families and individual people just trying to make a living in Fairfax County. I think they are happy all their hard work on improving the area is paying off. That's all. I do think there is a bit less diversity in Pimmit than 22042, but there's more than in Vienna or McLean. We live somewhere else now, but I thought Pimmit was the most convenient and friendly place I've lived in. I hope it does well.

To build on that, PH kids are eligible to participate in McLean Youth sports leagues, and Marshall students can opt to attend McLean High.

With regard to diversity, I've never seen a more diverse place than PH, both income- and ethnicity-wise. Off the top of my head, we know PH families from France, Bolivia, Turkey, Germany, Australia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Philippines, India, Pakistan, Egypt, Nepal, China, Vietnam etc. That's just the people we know.

I also don't see how it's snobbery to say that Marshall is a better school than FC High, since it happens to be a fact. Plus, "enjoy your McMansions" doesn't really say good things about you.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. We looked in Pimmit Hills back in 2013 but did not like the appearance of the neighborhood. We bought in the Pine Spring-Jackson-Falls Church pyramid instead and, so far, have been very happy with the schools. I agree with PP that there are a lot of snobs in the Marshall district now. We know our schools aren't rated the highest in the area, and that's fine with us. We like that our kids are exposed to greater diversity and that the parents aren't "McLean wanna-be's," which is the impression we got about Pimmit Hills. So please enjoy your McMansions and continue to say negative things about our area. We like it better this way.

To be fair, Pimmit Hills is within the McLean Citizens Association area and has had to really work to have a presence there. So in a way they aren't McLean wannabees since they are already part of the organization. I have yet to meet a Pimmit Hills snob. Agree there is a crazy PH poster online but she or he are probably just a long time resident wanting to sell soon. The neighborhood is mainly middle income families and individual people just trying to make a living in Fairfax County. I think they are happy all their hard work on improving the area is paying off. That's all. I do think there is a bit less diversity in Pimmit than 22042, but there's more than in Vienna or McLean. We live somewhere else now, but I thought Pimmit was the most convenient and friendly place I've lived in. I hope it does well.

To build on that, PH kids are eligible to participate in McLean Youth sports leagues, and Marshall students can opt to attend McLean High.

With regard to diversity, I've never seen a more diverse place than PH, both income- and ethnicity-wise. Off the top of my head, we know PH families from France, Bolivia, Turkey, Germany, Australia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Philippines, India, Pakistan, Egypt, Nepal, China, Vietnam etc. That's just the people we know.

I also don't see how it's snobbery to say that Marshall is a better school than FC High, since it happens to be a fact. Plus, "enjoy your McMansions" doesn't really say good things about you.

Not the Falls Church poster, but you do know how disingenuous your comments are, right?

There's a difference between saying Marshall is "better" because it has higher SAT scores than Falls Church (or, for that matter, that Langley, McLean and Madison are all "better" than Marshall because they have higher SAT scores and are rated more highly by U.S. News) and suggesting, as some of the PH folks have done, that people would be "crazy," "morons," etc, to live in the FCHS district.

And I assume the "enjoy your McMansions" comment was a response to the PH boosters who claimed, incorrectly, that no new homes get built in 22042.

But it is nice to hear about the diversity in PH, even if you apparently think less highly of the even greater diversity in other areas.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. We looked in Pimmit Hills back in 2013 but did not like the appearance of the neighborhood. We bought in the Pine Spring-Jackson-Falls Church pyramid instead and, so far, have been very happy with the schools. I agree with PP that there are a lot of snobs in the Marshall district now. We know our schools aren't rated the highest in the area, and that's fine with us. We like that our kids are exposed to greater diversity and that the parents aren't "McLean wanna-be's," which is the impression we got about Pimmit Hills. So please enjoy your McMansions and continue to say negative things about our area. We like it better this way.

To be fair, Pimmit Hills is within the McLean Citizens Association area and has had to really work to have a presence there. So in a way they aren't McLean wannabees since they are already part of the organization. I have yet to meet a Pimmit Hills snob. Agree there is a crazy PH poster online but she or he are probably just a long time resident wanting to sell soon. The neighborhood is mainly middle income families and individual people just trying to make a living in Fairfax County. I think they are happy all their hard work on improving the area is paying off. That's all. I do think there is a bit less diversity in Pimmit than 22042, but there's more than in Vienna or McLean. We live somewhere else now, but I thought Pimmit was the most convenient and friendly place I've lived in. I hope it does well.

To build on that, PH kids are eligible to participate in McLean Youth sports leagues, and Marshall students can opt to attend McLean High.

With regard to diversity, I've never seen a more diverse place than PH, both income- and ethnicity-wise. Off the top of my head, we know PH families from France, Bolivia, Turkey, Germany, Australia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Philippines, India, Pakistan, Egypt, Nepal, China, Vietnam etc. That's just the people we know.

I also don't see how it's snobbery to say that Marshall is a better school than FC High, since it happens to be a fact. Plus, "enjoy your McMansions" doesn't really say good things about you.

Not the Falls Church poster, but you do know how disingenuous your comments are, right?

There's a difference between saying Marshall is "better" because it has higher SAT scores than Falls Church (or, for that matter, that Langley, McLean and Madison are all "better" than Marshall because they have higher SAT scores and are rated more highly by U.S. News) and suggesting, as some of the PH folks have done, that people would be "crazy," "morons," etc, to live in the FCHS district.

And I assume the "enjoy your McMansions" comment was a response to the PH boosters who claimed, incorrectly, that no new homes get built in 22042.

But it is nice to hear about the diversity in PH, even if you apparently think less highly of the even greater diversity in other areas.

Why don't you go away and start your own thread "22042 is the bestest in the world"

If you want to have logical and adult conversations instead of making up lies about people. Most of fairfax county agrees that FCHS is not a good choice and your are crazy to think it's only from PH . It's universal and not just a PH thing, I am from McLean and think that people who buy in FCHS are ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. We looked in Pimmit Hills back in 2013 but did not like the appearance of the neighborhood. We bought in the Pine Spring-Jackson-Falls Church pyramid instead and, so far, have been very happy with the schools. I agree with PP that there are a lot of snobs in the Marshall district now. We know our schools aren't rated the highest in the area, and that's fine with us. We like that our kids are exposed to greater diversity and that the parents aren't "McLean wanna-be's," which is the impression we got about Pimmit Hills. So please enjoy your McMansions and continue to say negative things about our area. We like it better this way.

To be fair, Pimmit Hills is within the McLean Citizens Association area and has had to really work to have a presence there. So in a way they aren't McLean wannabees since they are already part of the organization. I have yet to meet a Pimmit Hills snob. Agree there is a crazy PH poster online but she or he are probably just a long time resident wanting to sell soon. The neighborhood is mainly middle income families and individual people just trying to make a living in Fairfax County. I think they are happy all their hard work on improving the area is paying off. That's all. I do think there is a bit less diversity in Pimmit than 22042, but there's more than in Vienna or McLean. We live somewhere else now, but I thought Pimmit was the most convenient and friendly place I've lived in. I hope it does well.

To build on that, PH kids are eligible to participate in McLean Youth sports leagues, and Marshall students can opt to attend McLean High.

With regard to diversity, I've never seen a more diverse place than PH, both income- and ethnicity-wise. Off the top of my head, we know PH families from France, Bolivia, Turkey, Germany, Australia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Philippines, India, Pakistan, Egypt, Nepal, China, Vietnam etc. That's just the people we know.

I also don't see how it's snobbery to say that Marshall is a better school than FC High, since it happens to be a fact. Plus, "enjoy your McMansions" doesn't really say good things about you.

Not the Falls Church poster, but you do know how disingenuous your comments are, right?

There's a difference between saying Marshall is "better" because it has higher SAT scores than Falls Church (or, for that matter, that Langley, McLean and Madison are all "better" than Marshall because they have higher SAT scores and are rated more highly by U.S. News) and suggesting, as some of the PH folks have done, that people would be "crazy," "morons," etc, to live in the FCHS district.

And I assume the "enjoy your McMansions" comment was a response to the PH boosters who claimed, incorrectly, that no new homes get built in 22042.

But it is nice to hear about the diversity in PH, even if you apparently think less highly of the even greater diversity in other areas.

Why don't you go away and start your own thread "22042 is the bestest in the world"

If you want to have logical and adult conversations instead of making up lies about people. Most of fairfax county agrees that FCHS is not a good choice and your are crazy to think it's only from PH . It's universal and not just a PH thing, I am from McLean and think that people who buy in FCHS are ignorant.

Is this coming from one of the same posters who spammed the other thread about McLean Hamlet with a bunch of unsolicited comments about Pimmit Hills?

Who gives a crap whether you live in McLean? You say that like it gives you some special standing to dump on other neighborhoods. And it hardly means you're objective, either; part of McLean feeds into the Pimmit Hills schools and there are some McLean builders and suppliers who profit if someone decides to do a PH teardown.

No one said 22042 was "the best(est) in the world," but only that the existence of both less and more expensive neighborhoods near Pimmit Hills will impact what "eventually" happens in PH.