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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

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Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

Dude, I am a literal in-office biglaw attorney making over 600k/yr, but I’m sure you’ll somehow use that to disparage.

You are not eligible for FMLA unless you work in a location where your employer employs at least 50 employees within a 75 miles radius. My office is a satellite office, and we don’t meet that cut off. The HQ is New York. So no, I don’t work for a small business. I also still have no job protection if I have a baby or get seriously ill, even though my employer provides paid leave.

Don’t work there then if their paper rules bother you so much.

If you were so amazing you could negotiate whatever you want for leave. Like most adult professionals do with their boss.

This.

Lots of room to negotiate if not club Fed or big F500

How do you propose negotiating when you’re pregnant? What kind of leverage do you think the employee has there?

Same leverage a valuable employee always has.

That’s just a lie, and you know that.

A pregnant woman is at her most vulnerable if she loses her job because she needs the salary and healthcare coverage more than ever before. If visibly pregnant, she is unlikely to get hired anywhere because she’ll be seen as a liability. She will not be eligible for FMLA at her new job. And many employers preclude new employees from taking parental leave even if there is a paid parental leave program.

A pregnant employee has the least leverage, and employers capitalize on that.

You’re wrong. You don’t get it.

Get more skills and add more value so you can write your own employment contract and benefits. Certainly a 2-4 month paid leave contract.

That’s not how it works. But even so, why should someone have to “earn” parental leave when having children is for the public good? Not to mention the fact that it takes time to build skill and experience. You’re asking someone to wait to have children until they ascend to a high level. Fertility doesn’t work that way, and women are ill-advised to sit around waiting to peak in their careers.

You sound really needy and helpless.

Get professional help.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

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Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

Dude, I am a literal in-office biglaw attorney making over 600k/yr, but I’m sure you’ll somehow use that to disparage.

You are not eligible for FMLA unless you work in a location where your employer employs at least 50 employees within a 75 miles radius. My office is a satellite office, and we don’t meet that cut off. The HQ is New York. So no, I don’t work for a small business. I also still have no job protection if I have a baby or get seriously ill, even though my employer provides paid leave.

Don’t work there then if their paper rules bother you so much.

If you were so amazing you could negotiate whatever you want for leave. Like most adult professionals do with their boss.

This.

Lots of room to negotiate if not club Fed or big F500

How do you propose negotiating when you’re pregnant? What kind of leverage do you think the employee has there?

Same leverage a valuable employee always has.

That’s just a lie, and you know that.

A pregnant woman is at her most vulnerable if she loses her job because she needs the salary and healthcare coverage more than ever before. If visibly pregnant, she is unlikely to get hired anywhere because she’ll be seen as a liability. She will not be eligible for FMLA at her new job. And many employers preclude new employees from taking parental leave even if there is a paid parental leave program.

A pregnant employee has the least leverage, and employers capitalize on that.

Women in tech, finance, fed, and consulting change jobs all the time right at the end of whatever mat leave off they have. Then use their time home for interviewing and job searching.

If there’s no hiring or training or replacement or downtime risk to your employer if you leave, then I guess you aren’t that valuable there. That’s OK. You’re on a different path.

I’m confused. You’re now suggesting women take unpaid leave to have a baby in between jobs and start interviewing post partum?

You can insult me all you’d like, but you’re now at least acknowledging that employers have an incentive to discriminate against pregnant employees and job applicants. This is precisely why we need a mandatory paid parental leave with gender parity and job opportunities protection.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

Stop the fake drama. In practice:

Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles?

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In practice:

Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?[

Yes, women at my job have been fired on maternity leave. That wouldn’t happen with FMLA eligibility.

We get 16 weeks paid leave at 70% pay for 6-10 weeks (depending on disability) and the remainder at 100% pay.

Yes, I have paid leave, which is awesome. I still don’t have job protection through FMLA, which puts me in the same boat is the majority of Americans.

Anyone can be fired or laid off during FMLA leave if there’s a business case or underperformance case. Happens all the time, large or small companies.

Yea, lets keep being AH towards the most unprotected employees - new moms and their babies. All while we bomb Iran and build architectural monsters around DC

Lots of married working moms in the wash dc area. Go talk to them. They survived childbirth and newborn baby stage too! Gasp!!

They could have prospered and be happier all around. Not just "survived". This is what this thread is about

That was sarcasm.

Stop looking for handouts and buck up. Millennial of women and moms before you have.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

Dude, I am a literal in-office biglaw attorney making over 600k/yr, but I’m sure you’ll somehow use that to disparage.

You are not eligible for FMLA unless you work in a location where your employer employs at least 50 employees within a 75 miles radius. My office is a satellite office, and we don’t meet that cut off. The HQ is New York. So no, I don’t work for a small business. I also still have no job protection if I have a baby or get seriously ill, even though my employer provides paid leave.

Don’t work there then if their paper rules bother you so much.

If you were so amazing you could negotiate whatever you want for leave. Like most adult professionals do with their boss.

This.

Lots of room to negotiate if not club Fed or big F500

How do you propose negotiating when you’re pregnant? What kind of leverage do you think the employee has there?

Same leverage a valuable employee always has.

That’s just a lie, and you know that.

A pregnant woman is at her most vulnerable if she loses her job because she needs the salary and healthcare coverage more than ever before. If visibly pregnant, she is unlikely to get hired anywhere because she’ll be seen as a liability. She will not be eligible for FMLA at her new job. And many employers preclude new employees from taking parental leave even if there is a paid parental leave program.

A pregnant employee has the least leverage, and employers capitalize on that.

You’re wrong. You don’t get it.

Get more skills and add more value so you can write your own employment contract and benefits. Certainly a 2-4 month paid leave contract.

I wish we could banish you and those like you from our society. You clearly add no value, and in fact you’re a net negative.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

Dude, I am a literal in-office biglaw attorney making over 600k/yr, but I’m sure you’ll somehow use that to disparage.

You are not eligible for FMLA unless you work in a location where your employer employs at least 50 employees within a 75 miles radius. My office is a satellite office, and we don’t meet that cut off. The HQ is New York. So no, I don’t work for a small business. I also still have no job protection if I have a baby or get seriously ill, even though my employer provides paid leave.

Don’t work there then if their paper rules bother you so much.

If you were so amazing you could negotiate whatever you want for leave. Like most adult professionals do with their boss.

This.

Lots of room to negotiate if not club Fed or big F500

How do you propose negotiating when you’re pregnant? What kind of leverage do you think the employee has there?

Same leverage a valuable employee always has.

That’s just a lie, and you know that.

A pregnant woman is at her most vulnerable if she loses her job because she needs the salary and healthcare coverage more than ever before. If visibly pregnant, she is unlikely to get hired anywhere because she’ll be seen as a liability. She will not be eligible for FMLA at her new job. And many employers preclude new employees from taking parental leave even if there is a paid parental leave program.

A pregnant employee has the least leverage, and employers capitalize on that.

Women in tech, finance, fed, and consulting change jobs all the time right at the end of whatever mat leave off they have. Then use their time home for interviewing and job searching.

If there’s no hiring or training or replacement or downtime risk to your employer if you leave, then I guess you aren’t that valuable there. That’s OK. You’re on a different path.

I’m confused. You’re now suggesting women take unpaid leave to have a baby in between jobs and start interviewing post partum?

You can insult me all you’d like, but you’re now at least acknowledging that employers have an incentive to discriminate against pregnant employees and job applicants. This is precisely why we need a mandatory paid parental leave with gender parity and job opportunities protection.

You sure are confused.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

Dude, I am a literal in-office biglaw attorney making over 600k/yr, but I’m sure you’ll somehow use that to disparage.

You are not eligible for FMLA unless you work in a location where your employer employs at least 50 employees within a 75 miles radius. My office is a satellite office, and we don’t meet that cut off. The HQ is New York. So no, I don’t work for a small business. I also still have no job protection if I have a baby or get seriously ill, even though my employer provides paid leave.

Don’t work there then if their paper rules bother you so much.

If you were so amazing you could negotiate whatever you want for leave. Like most adult professionals do with their boss.

This.

Lots of room to negotiate if not club Fed or big F500

How do you propose negotiating when you’re pregnant? What kind of leverage do you think the employee has there?

Same leverage a valuable employee always has.

That’s just a lie, and you know that.

A pregnant woman is at her most vulnerable if she loses her job because she needs the salary and healthcare coverage more than ever before. If visibly pregnant, she is unlikely to get hired anywhere because she’ll be seen as a liability. She will not be eligible for FMLA at her new job. And many employers preclude new employees from taking parental leave even if there is a paid parental leave program.

A pregnant employee has the least leverage, and employers capitalize on that.

You’re wrong. You don’t get it.

Get more skills and add more value so you can write your own employment contract and benefits. Certainly a 2-4 month paid leave contract.

That’s not how it works. But even so, why should someone have to “earn” parental leave when having children is for the public good? Not to mention the fact that it takes time to build skill and experience. You’re asking someone to wait to have children until they ascend to a high level. Fertility doesn’t work that way, and women are ill-advised to sit around waiting to peak in their careers.

20% of American adults are illiterate and another 20% of high school grads read below a 6th grade level so what public good are you talking about? All the welfare they need?

Do you want a growth-based economy? You can have that two ways—more immigrants or more domestic babies born. Take your pick. I’m good with either.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

Dude, I am a literal in-office biglaw attorney making over 600k/yr, but I’m sure you’ll somehow use that to disparage.

You are not eligible for FMLA unless you work in a location where your employer employs at least 50 employees within a 75 miles radius. My office is a satellite office, and we don’t meet that cut off. The HQ is New York. So no, I don’t work for a small business. I also still have no job protection if I have a baby or get seriously ill, even though my employer provides paid leave.

Don’t work there then if their paper rules bother you so much.

If you were so amazing you could negotiate whatever you want for leave. Like most adult professionals do with their boss.

This.

Lots of room to negotiate if not club Fed or big F500

How do you propose negotiating when you’re pregnant? What kind of leverage do you think the employee has there?

Same leverage a valuable employee always has.

That’s just a lie, and you know that.

A pregnant woman is at her most vulnerable if she loses her job because she needs the salary and healthcare coverage more than ever before. If visibly pregnant, she is unlikely to get hired anywhere because she’ll be seen as a liability. She will not be eligible for FMLA at her new job. And many employers preclude new employees from taking parental leave even if there is a paid parental leave program.

A pregnant employee has the least leverage, and employers capitalize on that.

Women in tech, finance, fed, and consulting change jobs all the time right at the end of whatever mat leave off they have. Then use their time home for interviewing and job searching.

If there’s no hiring or training or replacement or downtime risk to your employer if you leave, then I guess you aren’t that valuable there. That’s OK. You’re on a different path.

I’m confused. You’re now suggesting women take unpaid leave to have a baby in between jobs and start interviewing post partum?

You can insult me all you’d like, but you’re now at least acknowledging that employers have an incentive to discriminate against pregnant employees and job applicants. This is precisely why we need a mandatory paid parental leave with gender parity and job opportunities protection.

Move to Norway!!

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

Dude, I am a literal in-office biglaw attorney making over 600k/yr, but I’m sure you’ll somehow use that to disparage.

You are not eligible for FMLA unless you work in a location where your employer employs at least 50 employees within a 75 miles radius. My office is a satellite office, and we don’t meet that cut off. The HQ is New York. So no, I don’t work for a small business. I also still have no job protection if I have a baby or get seriously ill, even though my employer provides paid leave.

Don’t work there then if their paper rules bother you so much.

If you were so amazing you could negotiate whatever you want for leave. Like most adult professionals do with their boss.

This.

Lots of room to negotiate if not club Fed or big F500

How do you propose negotiating when you’re pregnant? What kind of leverage do you think the employee has there?

Same leverage a valuable employee always has.

That’s just a lie, and you know that.

A pregnant woman is at her most vulnerable if she loses her job because she needs the salary and healthcare coverage more than ever before. If visibly pregnant, she is unlikely to get hired anywhere because she’ll be seen as a liability. She will not be eligible for FMLA at her new job. And many employers preclude new employees from taking parental leave even if there is a paid parental leave program.

A pregnant employee has the least leverage, and employers capitalize on that.

You’re wrong. You don’t get it.

Get more skills and add more value so you can write your own employment contract and benefits. Certainly a 2-4 month paid leave contract.

That’s not how it works. But even so, why should someone have to “earn” parental leave when having children is for the public good? Not to mention the fact that it takes time to build skill and experience. You’re asking someone to wait to have children until they ascend to a high level. Fertility doesn’t work that way, and women are ill-advised to sit around waiting to peak in their careers.

20% of American adults are illiterate and another 20% of high school grads read below a 6th grade level so what public good are you talking about? All the welfare they need?

I’m sure you’re not suggesting we also improve public education, too?

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

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Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

Dude, I am a literal in-office biglaw attorney making over 600k/yr, but I’m sure you’ll somehow use that to disparage.

You are not eligible for FMLA unless you work in a location where your employer employs at least 50 employees within a 75 miles radius. My office is a satellite office, and we don’t meet that cut off. The HQ is New York. So no, I don’t work for a small business. I also still have no job protection if I have a baby or get seriously ill, even though my employer provides paid leave.

Don’t work there then if their paper rules bother you so much.

If you were so amazing you could negotiate whatever you want for leave. Like most adult professionals do with their boss.

This.

Lots of room to negotiate if not club Fed or big F500

How do you propose negotiating when you’re pregnant? What kind of leverage do you think the employee has there?

Same leverage a valuable employee always has.

That’s just a lie, and you know that.

A pregnant woman is at her most vulnerable if she loses her job because she needs the salary and healthcare coverage more than ever before. If visibly pregnant, she is unlikely to get hired anywhere because she’ll be seen as a liability. She will not be eligible for FMLA at her new job. And many employers preclude new employees from taking parental leave even if there is a paid parental leave program.

A pregnant employee has the least leverage, and employers capitalize on that.

You’re wrong. You don’t get it.

Get more skills and add more value so you can write your own employment contract and benefits. Certainly a 2-4 month paid leave contract.

That’s not how it works. But even so, why should someone have to “earn” parental leave when having children is for the public good? Not to mention the fact that it takes time to build skill and experience. You’re asking someone to wait to have children until they ascend to a high level. Fertility doesn’t work that way, and women are ill-advised to sit around waiting to peak in their careers.

20% of American adults are illiterate and another 20% of high school grads read below a 6th grade level so what public good are you talking about? All the welfare they need?

Do you want a growth-based economy? You can have that two ways—more immigrants or more domestic babies born. Take your pick. I’m good with either.

50% welfare state won’t work anywhere. Good luck!

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

Stop the fake drama. In practice:

Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles?

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In practice:

Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?[

Yes, women at my job have been fired on maternity leave. That wouldn’t happen with FMLA eligibility.

We get 16 weeks paid leave at 70% pay for 6-10 weeks (depending on disability) and the remainder at 100% pay.

Yes, I have paid leave, which is awesome. I still don’t have job protection through FMLA, which puts me in the same boat is the majority of Americans.

Anyone can be fired or laid off during FMLA leave if there’s a business case or underperformance case. Happens all the time, large or small companies.

Yea, lets keep being AH towards the most unprotected employees - new moms and their babies. All while we bomb Iran and build architectural monsters around DC

Lots of married working moms in the wash dc area. Go talk to them. They survived childbirth and newborn baby stage too! Gasp!!

They could have prospered and be happier all around. Not just "survived". This is what this thread is about

That was sarcasm.

Stop looking for handouts and buck up. Millennial of women and moms before you have.

NP - but what you said in your PP wasn’t sarcasm. It was stupid and unfunny, but not sarcasm. Maybe look up what sarcasm means?

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

Dude, I am a literal in-office biglaw attorney making over 600k/yr, but I’m sure you’ll somehow use that to disparage.

You are not eligible for FMLA unless you work in a location where your employer employs at least 50 employees within a 75 miles radius. My office is a satellite office, and we don’t meet that cut off. The HQ is New York. So no, I don’t work for a small business. I also still have no job protection if I have a baby or get seriously ill, even though my employer provides paid leave.

Don’t work there then if their paper rules bother you so much.

If you were so amazing you could negotiate whatever you want for leave. Like most adult professionals do with their boss.

This.

Lots of room to negotiate if not club Fed or big F500

How do you propose negotiating when you’re pregnant? What kind of leverage do you think the employee has there?

Same leverage a valuable employee always has.

That’s just a lie, and you know that.

A pregnant woman is at her most vulnerable if she loses her job because she needs the salary and healthcare coverage more than ever before. If visibly pregnant, she is unlikely to get hired anywhere because she’ll be seen as a liability. She will not be eligible for FMLA at her new job. And many employers preclude new employees from taking parental leave even if there is a paid parental leave program.

A pregnant employee has the least leverage, and employers capitalize on that.

You’re wrong. You don’t get it.

Get more skills and add more value so you can write your own employment contract and benefits. Certainly a 2-4 month paid leave contract.

That’s not how it works. But even so, why should someone have to “earn” parental leave when having children is for the public good? Not to mention the fact that it takes time to build skill and experience. You’re asking someone to wait to have children until they ascend to a high level. Fertility doesn’t work that way, and women are ill-advised to sit around waiting to peak in their careers.

20% of American adults are illiterate and another 20% of high school grads read below a 6th grade level so what public good are you talking about? All the welfare they need?

I’m sure you’re not suggesting we also improve public education, too?

Public schools’ teachers unions, tech everywhere, and common core are all terrible. Replace them all either pre NCLB curriculum and teaching.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

Stop the fake drama. In practice:

Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles?

3rd reminder

In practice:

Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?[

Yes, women at my job have been fired on maternity leave. That wouldn’t happen with FMLA eligibility.

We get 16 weeks paid leave at 70% pay for 6-10 weeks (depending on disability) and the remainder at 100% pay.

Yes, I have paid leave, which is awesome. I still don’t have job protection through FMLA, which puts me in the same boat is the majority of Americans.

Anyone can be fired or laid off during FMLA leave if there’s a business case or underperformance case. Happens all the time, large or small companies.

Yea, lets keep being AH towards the most unprotected employees - new moms and their babies. All while we bomb Iran and build architectural monsters around DC

Lots of married working moms in the wash dc area. Go talk to them. They survived childbirth and newborn baby stage too! Gasp!!

They could have prospered and be happier all around. Not just "survived". This is what this thread is about

That was sarcasm.

Stop looking for handouts and buck up. Millennial of women and moms before you have.

NP - but what you said in your PP wasn’t sarcasm. It was stupid and unfunny, but not sarcasm. Maybe look up what sarcasm means?

Gasp!

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Anonymous wrote:I went to stay with my sister for a week to help out as she just had her second child. I don’t have any kids yet, but honestly it seemed like her life is hellish. As is a lot of my friends in the same phase of life. They have high friction relationships with their partners, are trying to juggle too much on their own, and are squeezed financially.

It made me wonder if there’s something wrong with how we do the family thing America. Is there a better way? Or is this just life for a lot people with kids?

Cool. Sounds like hell. Something must be wrong with the whole country. Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

Dude, I am a literal in-office biglaw attorney making over 600k/yr, but I’m sure you’ll somehow use that to disparage.

You are not eligible for FMLA unless you work in a location where your employer employs at least 50 employees within a 75 miles radius. My office is a satellite office, and we don’t meet that cut off. The HQ is New York. So no, I don’t work for a small business. I also still have no job protection if I have a baby or get seriously ill, even though my employer provides paid leave.

Don’t work there then if their paper rules bother you so much.

If you were so amazing you could negotiate whatever you want for leave. Like most adult professionals do with their boss.

This.

Lots of room to negotiate if not club Fed or big F500

How do you propose negotiating when you’re pregnant? What kind of leverage do you think the employee has there?

Same leverage a valuable employee always has.

That’s just a lie, and you know that.

A pregnant woman is at her most vulnerable if she loses her job because she needs the salary and healthcare coverage more than ever before. If visibly pregnant, she is unlikely to get hired anywhere because she’ll be seen as a liability. She will not be eligible for FMLA at her new job. And many employers preclude new employees from taking parental leave even if there is a paid parental leave program.

A pregnant employee has the least leverage, and employers capitalize on that.

You’re wrong. You don’t get it.

Get more skills and add more value so you can write your own employment contract and benefits. Certainly a 2-4 month paid leave contract.

That’s not how it works. But even so, why should someone have to “earn” parental leave when having children is for the public good? Not to mention the fact that it takes time to build skill and experience. You’re asking someone to wait to have children until they ascend to a high level. Fertility doesn’t work that way, and women are ill-advised to sit around waiting to peak in their careers.

20% of American adults are illiterate and another 20% of high school grads read below a 6th grade level so what public good are you talking about? All the welfare they need?

Do you want a growth-based economy? You can have that two ways—more immigrants or more domestic babies born. Take your pick. I’m good with either.

You can only think of two ways to have a growth based economy?

You must be a public school grad.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most women want to stay at home after having kids? I don't think they do. I personally would like to work 7 hour days after having kids (instead of 8.5). That would be ideal for me, and you could cut my salary by that same amount. I liked having 12 weeks paid maternity leave and then returning to work.

I see the stats in newspapers on maternity leave, but it doesn't mesh with what I see first hand. All of my girl friends have either had paid maternity leave through work, or paid through a work STD policy, or they used their own annual and sick leave (what I did). Career jobs do all have maternity leave or STD policies for birth.

Correct

Everyone with a professional salaried job gets 12 weeks paid by employer FMLA leave, must work there over 12 mos to qualify.

Hi. This is wrong. If your employer has fewer than 50 employees AT YOUR WORK SITE (or within 75 miles) you are not eligible for FMLA. While I get paid parental leave, I have no job protection because we have fewer than 50 employees in DC (but hundreds nationwide).

Correct. What about it? Your employees can’t hold your small business ransom.


Did they let go the last several pregnant women while they were home on (unprotected) leave?

How many weeks of (unprotected) leave did they pay or at what %?

Are these even high value, skilled roles? Because the more easily replaceable you are, the less you’re going to make at the office or on leave.


Go work somewhere else if that bothers you.

What small business? My employer has over 1,000 employees nationwide. The HQ just happens to be in a different city.

Women are severely underrepresented, particularly in leadership, in my industry.

I don’t have any job protection if I have a baby.

You mean b/c everyone is a remote worker?

Is that why FMLA doesn’t apply? Because clearly you’re over 50 FTEs.

Cut to the point PP. Are you an unskilled wage worker

Dude, I am a literal in-office biglaw attorney making over 600k/yr, but I’m sure you’ll somehow use that to disparage.

You are not eligible for FMLA unless you work in a location where your employer employs at least 50 employees within a 75 miles radius. My office is a satellite office, and we don’t meet that cut off. The HQ is New York. So no, I don’t work for a small business. I also still have no job protection if I have a baby or get seriously ill, even though my employer provides paid leave.

Don’t work there then if their paper rules bother you so much.

If you were so amazing you could negotiate whatever you want for leave. Like most adult professionals do with their boss.

This.

Lots of room to negotiate if not club Fed or big F500

How do you propose negotiating when you’re pregnant? What kind of leverage do you think the employee has there?

Same leverage a valuable employee always has.

That’s just a lie, and you know that.

A pregnant woman is at her most vulnerable if she loses her job because she needs the salary and healthcare coverage more than ever before. If visibly pregnant, she is unlikely to get hired anywhere because she’ll be seen as a liability. She will not be eligible for FMLA at her new job. And many employers preclude new employees from taking parental leave even if there is a paid parental leave program.

A pregnant employee has the least leverage, and employers capitalize on that.

You’re wrong. You don’t get it.

Get more skills and add more value so you can write your own employment contract and benefits. Certainly a 2-4 month paid leave contract.

That’s not how it works. But even so, why should someone have to “earn” parental leave when having children is for the public good? Not to mention the fact that it takes time to build skill and experience. You’re asking someone to wait to have children until they ascend to a high level. Fertility doesn’t work that way, and women are ill-advised to sit around waiting to peak in their careers.

20% of American adults are illiterate and another 20% of high school grads read below a 6th grade level so what public good are you talking about? All the welfare they need?

Do you want a growth-based economy? You can have that two ways—more immigrants or more domestic babies born. Take your pick. I’m good with either.

50% welfare state won’t work anywhere. Good luck!

You think paid parental leave = welfare state? Even though 95% of countries have it? Weird.