The working parent grind is so exhausting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people are soft.

I spend 32 hours in a climate controlled office for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Health insurance where I have access to all different types of doctors, weeks of paid leave a year, sick leave etc.

Women used to be stuck at home doing laundry and dishes by hand, cloth diapers, left without a car all day, no ability to have anything delivered, cooking from scratch daily. They got paid $0. No retirement account. No paid leave. For some women this was better, but for many it’s not.

I have to get my kids to soccer practice. Oh no.

Seriously I feel bad for people if we ever do experience another world war or Great Depression.

What jobs is 32h and pays $200k?? Sign me up!

I mean women have to wash dishes and change diapers just now squeezed in between working. Standards were much lower, and it wasn’t like what you did could advance your children’s station in life so there was more acceptance.

It certainly is better, but women feel if they aren’t doing enough for their family they will fall behind, so that pressure is novel to the modern age.

Plenty of Gen X women worked full time out of the house all day and then did child care and the second shift. Why are millennials always thinking that they invented everything? 😂

And GenX invented the opt out revolution. They realized it’s a bad deal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/26/magazine/the-opt-out-revolution.html

Housing and college was much cheaper and many downshifted or retired early .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cut out the majority of kid activities so you can have a family life at home in the evenings and on weekends. What you describe (both parents working outside the home) was normal pre-Covid. But the second shift of shuttling kids to a million after school activities has gotten ridiculous.

My mom was a single mom and my brother and I could only choose one activity per year and they couldn’t overlap. And no travel sports. She was smart.

I begged for years for 1 after school activity and I still remember being sad and disappointed 30 years later.
I was able to learn when I went to college and as an adult, but it’s not the same.

So how is this the same then? Sounds like you had zero activities and I’m talking about limiting it to one per kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people are soft.

I spend 32 hours in a climate controlled office for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Health insurance where I have access to all different types of doctors, weeks of paid leave a year, sick leave etc.

Women used to be stuck at home doing laundry and dishes by hand, cloth diapers, left without a car all day, no ability to have anything delivered, cooking from scratch daily. They got paid $0. No retirement account. No paid leave. For some women this was better, but for many it’s not.

I have to get my kids to soccer practice. Oh no.

Seriously I feel bad for people if we ever do experience another world war or Great Depression.

What jobs is 32h and pays $200k?? Sign me up!

I mean women have to wash dishes and change diapers just now squeezed in between working. Standards were much lower, and it wasn’t like what you did could advance your children’s station in life so there was more acceptance.

It certainly is better, but women feel if they aren’t doing enough for their family they will fall behind, so that pressure is novel to the modern age.

Plenty of Gen X women worked full time out of the house all day and then did child care and the second shift. Why are millennials always thinking that they invented everything? 😂

We don’t think we invented it, we just think it’s a scam and don’t want to do it. I guess you were ok with it.

then dont.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people are soft.

I spend 32 hours in a climate controlled office for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Health insurance where I have access to all different types of doctors, weeks of paid leave a year, sick leave etc.

Women used to be stuck at home doing laundry and dishes by hand, cloth diapers, left without a car all day, no ability to have anything delivered, cooking from scratch daily. They got paid $0. No retirement account. No paid leave. For some women this was better, but for many it’s not.

I have to get my kids to soccer practice. Oh no.

Seriously I feel bad for people if we ever do experience another world war or Great Depression.

What jobs is 32h and pays $200k?? Sign me up!

I mean women have to wash dishes and change diapers just now squeezed in between working. Standards were much lower, and it wasn’t like what you did could advance your children’s station in life so there was more acceptance.

It certainly is better, but women feel if they aren’t doing enough for their family they will fall behind, so that pressure is novel to the modern age.

Plenty of Gen X women worked full time out of the house all day and then did child care and the second shift. Why are millennials always thinking that they invented everything? 😂

We don’t think we invented it, we just think it’s a scam and don’t want to do it. I guess you were ok with it.

The problem is the alternatives aren’t any better.

When you’re in your 30s and even early 40s, life without kids is grand. But then you age and you don’t have a family. Kids are the glue that keep most people together. Kids keep you young as you experience things all over again. In your 40s you realize how dumb white collar work is and it’s a means to an end. You end up with another set of problems if your identity is the silly job and travel. Too much time on your hands and not enough purpose.

If you mean the DW not working, well then you end up with a lot less money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people are soft.

I spend 32 hours in a climate controlled office for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Health insurance where I have access to all different types of doctors, weeks of paid leave a year, sick leave etc.

Women used to be stuck at home doing laundry and dishes by hand, cloth diapers, left without a car all day, no ability to have anything delivered, cooking from scratch daily. They got paid $0. No retirement account. No paid leave. For some women this was better, but for many it’s not.

I have to get my kids to soccer practice. Oh no.

Seriously I feel bad for people if we ever do experience another world war or Great Depression.

What jobs is 32h and pays $200k?? Sign me up!

I mean women have to wash dishes and change diapers just now squeezed in between working. Standards were much lower, and it wasn’t like what you did could advance your children’s station in life so there was more acceptance.

It certainly is better, but women feel if they aren’t doing enough for their family they will fall behind, so that pressure is novel to the modern age.

Plenty of Gen X women worked full time out of the house all day and then did child care and the second shift. Why are millennials always thinking that they invented everything? 😂

We don’t think we invented it, we just think it’s a scam and don’t want to do it. I guess you were ok with it.

The problem is the alternatives aren’t any better.

When you’re in your 30s and even early 40s, life without kids is grand. But then you age and you don’t have a family. Kids are the glue that keep most people together. Kids keep you young as you experience things all over again. In your 40s you realize how dumb white collar work is and it’s a means to an end. You end up with another set of problems if your identity is the silly job and travel. Too much time on your hands and not enough purpose.

If you mean the DW not working, well then you end up with a lot less money.

No, the idea is to build a world where both men and women can support the family financially and care for children and the household at home without running themselves ragged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people are soft.

I spend 32 hours in a climate controlled office for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Health insurance where I have access to all different types of doctors, weeks of paid leave a year, sick leave etc.

Women used to be stuck at home doing laundry and dishes by hand, cloth diapers, left without a car all day, no ability to have anything delivered, cooking from scratch daily. They got paid $0. No retirement account. No paid leave. For some women this was better, but for many it’s not.

I have to get my kids to soccer practice. Oh no.

Seriously I feel bad for people if we ever do experience another world war or Great Depression.

What jobs is 32h and pays $200k?? Sign me up!

I mean women have to wash dishes and change diapers just now squeezed in between working. Standards were much lower, and it wasn’t like what you did could advance your children’s station in life so there was more acceptance.

It certainly is better, but women feel if they aren’t doing enough for their family they will fall behind, so that pressure is novel to the modern age.

Plenty of Gen X women worked full time out of the house all day and then did child care and the second shift. Why are millennials always thinking that they invented everything? 😂

We don’t think we invented it, we just think it’s a scam and don’t want to do it. I guess you were ok with it.

The problem is the alternatives aren’t any better.

When you’re in your 30s and even early 40s, life without kids is grand. But then you age and you don’t have a family. Kids are the glue that keep most people together. Kids keep you young as you experience things all over again. In your 40s you realize how dumb white collar work is and it’s a means to an end. You end up with another set of problems if your identity is the silly job and travel. Too much time on your hands and not enough purpose.

If you mean the DW not working, well then you end up with a lot less money.

No, the idea is to build a world where both men and women can support the family financially and care for children and the household at home without running themselves ragged.

No one should be running themselves ragged living as normal adults with 2 kids. It’s called life. Do you really expect to have kids and a job and chill on the sofa from 5 - 10 pm?

We have never had as much leisure time as we do now. We also have birth control to prevent unwanted children. Really life is not as difficult as you think. Let me guess - you sit in a climate controlled office every day and this is too much for you? You have to take a kid to a sporting event on Saturday and would rather be doing….what exactly? Are you a drinker?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people are soft.

I spend 32 hours in a climate controlled office for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Health insurance where I have access to all different types of doctors, weeks of paid leave a year, sick leave etc.

Women used to be stuck at home doing laundry and dishes by hand, cloth diapers, left without a car all day, no ability to have anything delivered, cooking from scratch daily. They got paid $0. No retirement account. No paid leave. For some women this was better, but for many it’s not.

I have to get my kids to soccer practice. Oh no.

Seriously I feel bad for people if we ever do experience another world war or Great Depression.

What jobs is 32h and pays $200k?? Sign me up!

I mean women have to wash dishes and change diapers just now squeezed in between working. Standards were much lower, and it wasn’t like what you did could advance your children’s station in life so there was more acceptance.

It certainly is better, but women feel if they aren’t doing enough for their family they will fall behind, so that pressure is novel to the modern age.

Plenty of Gen X women worked full time out of the house all day and then did child care and the second shift. Why are millennials always thinking that they invented everything? 😂

We don’t think we invented it, we just think it’s a scam and don’t want to do it. I guess you were ok with it.

The problem is the alternatives aren’t any better.

When you’re in your 30s and even early 40s, life without kids is grand. But then you age and you don’t have a family. Kids are the glue that keep most people together. Kids keep you young as you experience things all over again. In your 40s you realize how dumb white collar work is and it’s a means to an end. You end up with another set of problems if your identity is the silly job and travel. Too much time on your hands and not enough purpose.

If you mean the DW not working, well then you end up with a lot less money.

No, the idea is to build a world where both men and women can support the family financially and care for children and the household at home without running themselves ragged.

No one should be running themselves ragged living as normal adults with 2 kids. It’s called life. Do you really expect to have kids and a job and chill on the sofa from 5 - 10 pm?

We have never had as much leisure time as we do now. We also have birth control to prevent unwanted children. Really life is not as difficult as you think. Let me guess - you sit in a climate controlled office every day and this is too much for you? You have to take a kid to a sporting event on Saturday and would rather be doing….what exactly? Are you a drinker?

Ah yes, things have improved since the black death I’ll give you that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people are soft.

I spend 32 hours in a climate controlled office for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Health insurance where I have access to all different types of doctors, weeks of paid leave a year, sick leave etc.

Women used to be stuck at home doing laundry and dishes by hand, cloth diapers, left without a car all day, no ability to have anything delivered, cooking from scratch daily. They got paid $0. No retirement account. No paid leave. For some women this was better, but for many it’s not.

I have to get my kids to soccer practice. Oh no.

Seriously I feel bad for people if we ever do experience another world war or Great Depression.

What jobs is 32h and pays $200k?? Sign me up!

I mean women have to wash dishes and change diapers just now squeezed in between working. Standards were much lower, and it wasn’t like what you did could advance your children’s station in life so there was more acceptance.

It certainly is better, but women feel if they aren’t doing enough for their family they will fall behind, so that pressure is novel to the modern age.

Plenty of Gen X women worked full time out of the house all day and then did child care and the second shift. Why are millennials always thinking that they invented everything? 😂

We don’t think we invented it, we just think it’s a scam and don’t want to do it. I guess you were ok with it.

The problem is the alternatives aren’t any better.

When you’re in your 30s and even early 40s, life without kids is grand. But then you age and you don’t have a family. Kids are the glue that keep most people together. Kids keep you young as you experience things all over again. In your 40s you realize how dumb white collar work is and it’s a means to an end. You end up with another set of problems if your identity is the silly job and travel. Too much time on your hands and not enough purpose.

If you mean the DW not working, well then you end up with a lot less money.

No, the idea is to build a world where both men and women can support the family financially and care for children and the household at home without running themselves ragged.

No one should be running themselves ragged living as normal adults with 2 kids. It’s called life. Do you really expect to have kids and a job and chill on the sofa from 5 - 10 pm?

We have never had as much leisure time as we do now. We also have birth control to prevent unwanted children. Really life is not as difficult as you think. Let me guess - you sit in a climate controlled office every day and this is too much for you? You have to take a kid to a sporting event on Saturday and would rather be doing….what exactly? Are you a drinker?

Ah yes, things have improved since the black death I’ll give you that.

DP. You're just a negative moaner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people are soft.

I spend 32 hours in a climate controlled office for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Health insurance where I have access to all different types of doctors, weeks of paid leave a year, sick leave etc.

Women used to be stuck at home doing laundry and dishes by hand, cloth diapers, left without a car all day, no ability to have anything delivered, cooking from scratch daily. They got paid $0. No retirement account. No paid leave. For some women this was better, but for many it’s not.

I have to get my kids to soccer practice. Oh no.

Seriously I feel bad for people if we ever do experience another world war or Great Depression.

What jobs is 32h and pays $200k?? Sign me up!

I mean women have to wash dishes and change diapers just now squeezed in between working. Standards were much lower, and it wasn’t like what you did could advance your children’s station in life so there was more acceptance.

It certainly is better, but women feel if they aren’t doing enough for their family they will fall behind, so that pressure is novel to the modern age.

Plenty of Gen X women worked full time out of the house all day and then did child care and the second shift. Why are millennials always thinking that they invented everything? 😂

We don’t think we invented it, we just think it’s a scam and don’t want to do it. I guess you were ok with it.

The problem is the alternatives aren’t any better.

When you’re in your 30s and even early 40s, life without kids is grand. But then you age and you don’t have a family. Kids are the glue that keep most people together. Kids keep you young as you experience things all over again. In your 40s you realize how dumb white collar work is and it’s a means to an end. You end up with another set of problems if your identity is the silly job and travel. Too much time on your hands and not enough purpose.

If you mean the DW not working, well then you end up with a lot less money.

No, the idea is to build a world where both men and women can support the family financially and care for children and the household at home without running themselves ragged.

No one should be running themselves ragged living as normal adults with 2 kids. It’s called life. Do you really expect to have kids and a job and chill on the sofa from 5 - 10 pm?

We have never had as much leisure time as we do now. We also have birth control to prevent unwanted children. Really life is not as difficult as you think. Let me guess - you sit in a climate controlled office every day and this is too much for you? You have to take a kid to a sporting event on Saturday and would rather be doing….what exactly? Are you a drinker?

Ah yes, things have improved since the black death I’ll give you that.

DP. You're just a negative moaner.

A PP keeps popping in saying “at least you should be happy to work in an air conditioned office” etc nonsense. The people complaining on this thread excelled at school invested the time and pursued these jobs, the fact that society doesn’t support parents was not something that was visible to a 20 year old navigating career. Having AC is table stakes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people are soft.

I spend 32 hours in a climate controlled office for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Health insurance where I have access to all different types of doctors, weeks of paid leave a year, sick leave etc.

Women used to be stuck at home doing laundry and dishes by hand, cloth diapers, left without a car all day, no ability to have anything delivered, cooking from scratch daily. They got paid $0. No retirement account. No paid leave. For some women this was better, but for many it’s not.

I have to get my kids to soccer practice. Oh no.

Seriously I feel bad for people if we ever do experience another world war or Great Depression.

What jobs is 32h and pays $200k?? Sign me up!

I mean women have to wash dishes and change diapers just now squeezed in between working. Standards were much lower, and it wasn’t like what you did could advance your children’s station in life so there was more acceptance.

It certainly is better, but women feel if they aren’t doing enough for their family they will fall behind, so that pressure is novel to the modern age.

Plenty of Gen X women worked full time out of the house all day and then did child care and the second shift. Why are millennials always thinking that they invented everything? 😂

We don’t think we invented it, we just think it’s a scam and don’t want to do it. I guess you were ok with it.

The problem is the alternatives aren’t any better.

When you’re in your 30s and even early 40s, life without kids is grand. But then you age and you don’t have a family. Kids are the glue that keep most people together. Kids keep you young as you experience things all over again. In your 40s you realize how dumb white collar work is and it’s a means to an end. You end up with another set of problems if your identity is the silly job and travel. Too much time on your hands and not enough purpose.

If you mean the DW not working, well then you end up with a lot less money.

No, the idea is to build a world where both men and women can support the family financially and care for children and the household at home without running themselves ragged.

No one should be running themselves ragged living as normal adults with 2 kids. It’s called life. Do you really expect to have kids and a job and chill on the sofa from 5 - 10 pm?

We have never had as much leisure time as we do now. We also have birth control to prevent unwanted children. Really life is not as difficult as you think. Let me guess - you sit in a climate controlled office every day and this is too much for you? You have to take a kid to a sporting event on Saturday and would rather be doing….what exactly? Are you a drinker?

Ah yes, things have improved since the black death I’ll give you that.

DP. You're just a negative moaner.

A PP keeps popping in saying “at least you should be happy to work in an air conditioned office” etc nonsense. The people complaining on this thread excelled at school invested the time and pursued these jobs, the fact that society doesn’t support parents was not something that was visible to a 20 year old navigating career. Having AC is table stakes

I excelled in school and still work in a crappy school building with no a/c and mold and bugs. I don’t think it’s a grind and I work two jobs and I’m a single parent. This is what I signed up for. Unless you have health issues or had your kids very late in life, you shouldn’t be this tired from being a parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people are soft.

I spend 32 hours in a climate controlled office for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Health insurance where I have access to all different types of doctors, weeks of paid leave a year, sick leave etc.

Women used to be stuck at home doing laundry and dishes by hand, cloth diapers, left without a car all day, no ability to have anything delivered, cooking from scratch daily. They got paid $0. No retirement account. No paid leave. For some women this was better, but for many it’s not.

I have to get my kids to soccer practice. Oh no.

Seriously I feel bad for people if we ever do experience another world war or Great Depression.

What jobs is 32h and pays $200k?? Sign me up!

I mean women have to wash dishes and change diapers just now squeezed in between working. Standards were much lower, and it wasn’t like what you did could advance your children’s station in life so there was more acceptance.

It certainly is better, but women feel if they aren’t doing enough for their family they will fall behind, so that pressure is novel to the modern age.

Plenty of Gen X women worked full time out of the house all day and then did child care and the second shift. Why are millennials always thinking that they invented everything? 😂

We don’t think we invented it, we just think it’s a scam and don’t want to do it. I guess you were ok with it.

The problem is the alternatives aren’t any better.

When you’re in your 30s and even early 40s, life without kids is grand. But then you age and you don’t have a family. Kids are the glue that keep most people together. Kids keep you young as you experience things all over again. In your 40s you realize how dumb white collar work is and it’s a means to an end. You end up with another set of problems if your identity is the silly job and travel. Too much time on your hands and not enough purpose.

If you mean the DW not working, well then you end up with a lot less money.

No, the idea is to build a world where both men and women can support the family financially and care for children and the household at home without running themselves ragged.

No one should be running themselves ragged living as normal adults with 2 kids. It’s called life. Do you really expect to have kids and a job and chill on the sofa from 5 - 10 pm?

We have never had as much leisure time as we do now. We also have birth control to prevent unwanted children. Really life is not as difficult as you think. Let me guess - you sit in a climate controlled office every day and this is too much for you? You have to take a kid to a sporting event on Saturday and would rather be doing….what exactly? Are you a drinker?

Ah yes, things have improved since the black death I’ll give you that.

DP. You're just a negative moaner.

A PP keeps popping in saying “at least you should be happy to work in an air conditioned office” etc nonsense. The people complaining on this thread excelled at school invested the time and pursued these jobs, the fact that society doesn’t support parents was not something that was visible to a 20 year old navigating career. Having AC is table stakes

I excelled in school and still work in a crappy school building with no a/c and mold and bugs. I don’t think it’s a grind and I work two jobs and I’m a single parent. This is what I signed up for. Unless you have health issues or had your kids very late in life, you shouldn’t be this tired from being a parent.

Anyone can be anyone on the internet. Most people who actually work two jobs and are single parents would say it's a lot. Maybe you are the exception, or maybe you are trying to make a point via a claim no one here can verify.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people are soft.

I spend 32 hours in a climate controlled office for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Health insurance where I have access to all different types of doctors, weeks of paid leave a year, sick leave etc.

Women used to be stuck at home doing laundry and dishes by hand, cloth diapers, left without a car all day, no ability to have anything delivered, cooking from scratch daily. They got paid $0. No retirement account. No paid leave. For some women this was better, but for many it’s not.

I have to get my kids to soccer practice. Oh no.

Seriously I feel bad for people if we ever do experience another world war or Great Depression.

What jobs is 32h and pays $200k?? Sign me up!

I mean women have to wash dishes and change diapers just now squeezed in between working. Standards were much lower, and it wasn’t like what you did could advance your children’s station in life so there was more acceptance.

It certainly is better, but women feel if they aren’t doing enough for their family they will fall behind, so that pressure is novel to the modern age.

Plenty of Gen X women worked full time out of the house all day and then did child care and the second shift. Why are millennials always thinking that they invented everything? 😂

Freddie and Fannie you have to make it 280K and a 24 hour work week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people are soft.

I spend 32 hours in a climate controlled office for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Health insurance where I have access to all different types of doctors, weeks of paid leave a year, sick leave etc.

Women used to be stuck at home doing laundry and dishes by hand, cloth diapers, left without a car all day, no ability to have anything delivered, cooking from scratch daily. They got paid $0. No retirement account. No paid leave. For some women this was better, but for many it’s not.

I have to get my kids to soccer practice. Oh no.

Seriously I feel bad for people if we ever do experience another world war or Great Depression.

What jobs is 32h and pays $200k?? Sign me up!

I mean women have to wash dishes and change diapers just now squeezed in between working. Standards were much lower, and it wasn’t like what you did could advance your children’s station in life so there was more acceptance.

It certainly is better, but women feel if they aren’t doing enough for their family they will fall behind, so that pressure is novel to the modern age.

Plenty of Gen X women worked full time out of the house all day and then did child care and the second shift. Why are millennials always thinking that they invented everything? 😂

We don’t think we invented it, we just think it’s a scam and don’t want to do it. I guess you were ok with it.

The problem is the alternatives aren’t any better.

When you’re in your 30s and even early 40s, life without kids is grand. But then you age and you don’t have a family. Kids are the glue that keep most people together. Kids keep you young as you experience things all over again. In your 40s you realize how dumb white collar work is and it’s a means to an end. You end up with another set of problems if your identity is the silly job and travel. Too much time on your hands and not enough purpose.

If you mean the DW not working, well then you end up with a lot less money.

No, the idea is to build a world where both men and women can support the family financially and care for children and the household at home without running themselves ragged.

No one should be running themselves ragged living as normal adults with 2 kids. It’s called life. Do you really expect to have kids and a job and chill on the sofa from 5 - 10 pm?

We have never had as much leisure time as we do now. We also have birth control to prevent unwanted children. Really life is not as difficult as you think. Let me guess - you sit in a climate controlled office every day and this is too much for you? You have to take a kid to a sporting event on Saturday and would rather be doing….what exactly? Are you a drinker?

Ah yes, things have improved since the black death I’ll give you that.

DP. You're just a negative moaner.

A PP keeps popping in saying “at least you should be happy to work in an air conditioned office” etc nonsense. The people complaining on this thread excelled at school invested the time and pursued these jobs, the fact that society doesn’t support parents was not something that was visible to a 20 year old navigating career. Having AC is table stakes

I excelled in school and still work in a crappy school building with no a/c and mold and bugs. I don’t think it’s a grind and I work two jobs and I’m a single parent. This is what I signed up for. Unless you have health issues or had your kids very late in life, you shouldn’t be this tired from being a parent.

Anyone can be anyone on the internet. Most people who actually work two jobs and are single parents would say it's a lot. Maybe you are the exception, or maybe you are trying to make a point via a claim no one here can verify.

I have two kids on my own and always have (my ex left when they were babies). Maybe it’s easier when it’s always been just me. I was raised by a capable single mom so that helped. I have single mom friends who find it harder because they had help for years before getting divorced. Maybe the wanting what you used to have is what makes it harder. I’m grateful that I have great jobs to pay the bills even if we are DCUMs poor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people are soft.

I spend 32 hours in a climate controlled office for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Health insurance where I have access to all different types of doctors, weeks of paid leave a year, sick leave etc.

Women used to be stuck at home doing laundry and dishes by hand, cloth diapers, left without a car all day, no ability to have anything delivered, cooking from scratch daily. They got paid $0. No retirement account. No paid leave. For some women this was better, but for many it’s not.

I have to get my kids to soccer practice. Oh no.

Seriously I feel bad for people if we ever do experience another world war or Great Depression.

What jobs is 32h and pays $200k?? Sign me up!

I mean women have to wash dishes and change diapers just now squeezed in between working. Standards were much lower, and it wasn’t like what you did could advance your children’s station in life so there was more acceptance.

It certainly is better, but women feel if they aren’t doing enough for their family they will fall behind, so that pressure is novel to the modern age.

Plenty of Gen X women worked full time out of the house all day and then did child care and the second shift. Why are millennials always thinking that they invented everything? 😂

We don’t think we invented it, we just think it’s a scam and don’t want to do it. I guess you were ok with it.

The problem is the alternatives aren’t any better.

When you’re in your 30s and even early 40s, life without kids is grand. But then you age and you don’t have a family. Kids are the glue that keep most people together. Kids keep you young as you experience things all over again. In your 40s you realize how dumb white collar work is and it’s a means to an end. You end up with another set of problems if your identity is the silly job and travel. Too much time on your hands and not enough purpose.

If you mean the DW not working, well then you end up with a lot less money.

No, the idea is to build a world where both men and women can support the family financially and care for children and the household at home without running themselves ragged.

No one should be running themselves ragged living as normal adults with 2 kids. It’s called life. Do you really expect to have kids and a job and chill on the sofa from 5 - 10 pm?

We have never had as much leisure time as we do now. We also have birth control to prevent unwanted children. Really life is not as difficult as you think. Let me guess - you sit in a climate controlled office every day and this is too much for you? You have to take a kid to a sporting event on Saturday and would rather be doing….what exactly? Are you a drinker?

Some people have less energy. My mom worked part time only, took 2 hour naps during the day, didn’t cook and had no energy to go watch movies on weekends.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people are soft.

I spend 32 hours in a climate controlled office for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Health insurance where I have access to all different types of doctors, weeks of paid leave a year, sick leave etc.

Women used to be stuck at home doing laundry and dishes by hand, cloth diapers, left without a car all day, no ability to have anything delivered, cooking from scratch daily. They got paid $0. No retirement account. No paid leave. For some women this was better, but for many it’s not.

I have to get my kids to soccer practice. Oh no.

Seriously I feel bad for people if we ever do experience another world war or Great Depression.

What jobs is 32h and pays $200k?? Sign me up!

I mean women have to wash dishes and change diapers just now squeezed in between working. Standards were much lower, and it wasn’t like what you did could advance your children’s station in life so there was more acceptance.

It certainly is better, but women feel if they aren’t doing enough for their family they will fall behind, so that pressure is novel to the modern age.

Plenty of Gen X women worked full time out of the house all day and then did child care and the second shift. Why are millennials always thinking that they invented everything? 😂

We don’t think we invented it, we just think it’s a scam and don’t want to do it. I guess you were ok with it.

The problem is the alternatives aren’t any better.

When you’re in your 30s and even early 40s, life without kids is grand. But then you age and you don’t have a family. Kids are the glue that keep most people together. Kids keep you young as you experience things all over again. In your 40s you realize how dumb white collar work is and it’s a means to an end. You end up with another set of problems if your identity is the silly job and travel. Too much time on your hands and not enough purpose.

If you mean the DW not working, well then you end up with a lot less money.

No, the idea is to build a world where both men and women can support the family financially and care for children and the household at home without running themselves ragged.

No one should be running themselves ragged living as normal adults with 2 kids. It’s called life. Do you really expect to have kids and a job and chill on the sofa from 5 - 10 pm?

We have never had as much leisure time as we do now. We also have birth control to prevent unwanted children. Really life is not as difficult as you think. Let me guess - you sit in a climate controlled office every day and this is too much for you? You have to take a kid to a sporting event on Saturday and would rather be doing….what exactly? Are you a drinker?

Some people have less energy. My mom worked part time only, took 2 hour naps during the day, didn’t cook and had no energy to go watch movies on weekends.

NP- Yes, I've always been a low energy person. I work full time but it is tiring to me, and I only have energy for so much after work, which means prioritizing family and chores instead of working out, socializing. That's just how I am. When I've been less busy I was able to make the other things priorities. Other people excel at juggling a million things and thrive on being busy, busy all day.