War with Iran Part II

[Anonymous]

https://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/1365961

Council on the two-week ceasefire/Iran's conditions for ending the war that Trump was forced to accept
Supreme National Security Council: The United States is committed in principle to non-aggression, continued Iranian control over the Strait of Hormuz, acceptance of enrichment, lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, termination of all Security Council and Board of Governors resolutions, payment of compensation to Iran, withdrawal of US combat forces from the region, and cessation of war on all fronts, including against the heroic Islamic resistance in Lebanon

https://nournews.ir/fa/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These are the things Trump has agree to

Key Points of the Proposal
Security Guarantees: A permanent end to the war and a formal guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again.
Sanctions Relief: The immediate lifting of all U.S. and international sanctions.
Regional De-escalation: An end to Israeli strikes in Lebanon and against other Iranian allies.
Strait of Hormuz Reopening: Iran agrees to reopen the vital shipping route under specific protocols.
Transit Fees: Implementation of a $2 million fee per ship transiting the Strait. Iran proposes splitting these proceeds with Oman.
Reconstruction Funding: Iran plans to use its share of the shipping fees to fund the reconstruction of infrastructure destroyed during the conflict instead of seeking direct reparations.
Nuclear Commitment: A reported commitment by Iran to not seek nuclear weapons and a request for recognition of its right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes.
Frozen Assets: The release of all Iranian funds and assets frozen by the United States.

THIS IS FALSE.

The US has NOT agreed to this!

Yes they have. All of the things list can only be changed if the US and Israel want to invade. These are the same demand Iran has had from the beginning of the war.

Here is the wording of what the president said.
“We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to NEGOTIATE.”
IOW - this has NOT been accepted. It is a basis for negotiations. Trump will never allow Iran to continue to enrich Uranium.

And, my prediction is that ships will transit the strait WITHOUT paying a fee.

But if Iran does not stop bombing Israel like it is currently doing, all bets are off.

Tell me what points will Iran give up in negotiations? Remember you have just bombed them for over a months and not one of their demands has changed. Iran holds all the cards. These points are not demands they are facts on the ground.

F Israel. Israel is never honors a ceasefire. Israel needs a good kick in the head.

The IRGC had its butt kicked. They had a choice. Electricity or no electricity. Pretty simple, China told them to take the deal. They have no allies in the Middle East.

With enough money from tolling the Strait they won’t need allies.

The $2M toll won't hold long term. It's too expensive compared to going the long way around Africa

You haven't looked at a map, have you?

You haven't, I guess

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/1365961

Council on the two-week ceasefire/Iran's conditions for ending the war that Trump was forced to accept
Supreme National Security Council: The United States is committed in principle to non-aggression, continued Iranian control over the Strait of Hormuz, acceptance of enrichment, lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, termination of all Security Council and Board of Governors resolutions, payment of compensation to Iran, withdrawal of US combat forces from the region, and cessation of war on all fronts, including against the heroic Islamic resistance in Lebanon

https://nournews.ir/fa/

To ensure that the ceasefire is actually successful, the world must somehow restrain the Israelis both in Lebanon and against Iran. I'm skeptical about the possibility.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the things Trump has agree to

Key Points of the Proposal
Security Guarantees: A permanent end to the war and a formal guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again.
Sanctions Relief: The immediate lifting of all U.S. and international sanctions.
Regional De-escalation: An end to Israeli strikes in Lebanon and against other Iranian allies.
Strait of Hormuz Reopening: Iran agrees to reopen the vital shipping route under specific protocols.
Transit Fees: Implementation of a $2 million fee per ship transiting the Strait. Iran proposes splitting these proceeds with Oman.
Reconstruction Funding: Iran plans to use its share of the shipping fees to fund the reconstruction of infrastructure destroyed during the conflict instead of seeking direct reparations.
Nuclear Commitment: A reported commitment by Iran to not seek nuclear weapons and a request for recognition of its right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes.
Frozen Assets: The release of all Iranian funds and assets frozen by the United States.

THIS IS FALSE.

The US has NOT agreed to this!

Yes they have. All of the things list can only be changed if the US and Israel want to invade. These are the same demand Iran has had from the beginning of the war.

Here is the wording of what the president said.
“We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to NEGOTIATE.”
IOW - this has NOT been accepted. It is a basis for negotiations. Trump will never allow Iran to continue to enrich Uranium.

And, my prediction is that ships will transit the strait WITHOUT paying a fee.

But if Iran does not stop bombing Israel like it is currently doing, all bets are off.

Tell me what points will Iran give up in negotiations? Remember you have just bombed them for over a months and not one of their demands has changed. Iran holds all the cards. These points are not demands they are facts on the ground.

F Israel. Israel is never honors a ceasefire. Israel needs a good kick in the head.

Iran has no navy. They have no Air Force. Their leadership and 2nd tier leadership is dead. They have been made a pariah in the region. And you think they hold all the cards?? Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

And if you’re not paying attention, Israel is not the one violating the ceasefire right now. That would be Iran.

What the hell is wrong with you?

+1
It's really too bad these obvious trolls are allowed on this site.

Old Darth Pedo sure is showing Iran…billions and billions down the drain, Israel is out of interceptors, Iran controls the strait and is charging a $2M fee per ship ($0M previously), and one embarrassing failed attempt to grab uranium. Added bonuses that the entire world is backing away from the US as quickly as possible, prices will continue to spike, and the petrodollar system is ending.

I do have to give you give credit for creativity in trying to spin this as a win for the US. It’s kind of what we expect from people that would vote for Donald Trump.

It's truly astounding that you conjured up all of that nonsense from my one statement, above. Slow clap for you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the things Trump has agree to

Key Points of the Proposal
Security Guarantees: A permanent end to the war and a formal guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again.
Sanctions Relief: The immediate lifting of all U.S. and international sanctions.
Regional De-escalation: An end to Israeli strikes in Lebanon and against other Iranian allies.
Strait of Hormuz Reopening: Iran agrees to reopen the vital shipping route under specific protocols.
Transit Fees: Implementation of a $2 million fee per ship transiting the Strait. Iran proposes splitting these proceeds with Oman.
Reconstruction Funding: Iran plans to use its share of the shipping fees to fund the reconstruction of infrastructure destroyed during the conflict instead of seeking direct reparations.
Nuclear Commitment: A reported commitment by Iran to not seek nuclear weapons and a request for recognition of its right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes.
Frozen Assets: The release of all Iranian funds and assets frozen by the United States.

THIS IS FALSE.

The US has NOT agreed to this!

Yes they have. All of the things list can only be changed if the US and Israel want to invade. These are the same demand Iran has had from the beginning of the war.

Here is the wording of what the president said.
“We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to NEGOTIATE.”
IOW - this has NOT been accepted. It is a basis for negotiations. Trump will never allow Iran to continue to enrich Uranium.

And, my prediction is that ships will transit the strait WITHOUT paying a fee.

But if Iran does not stop bombing Israel like it is currently doing, all bets are off.

Tell me what points will Iran give up in negotiations? Remember you have just bombed them for over a months and not one of their demands has changed. Iran holds all the cards. These points are not demands they are facts on the ground.

F Israel. Israel is never honors a ceasefire. Israel needs a good kick in the head.

Iran has no navy. They have no Air Force. Their leadership and 2nd tier leadership is dead. They have been made a pariah in the region. And you think they hold all the cards?? Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

And if you’re not paying attention, Israel is not the one violating the ceasefire right now. That would be Iran.

What the hell is wrong with you?

Iran did not have a navy or air force. They had a coastguard. Oh and in case you did not understand the lessons from this war and the Ukrainian war. Here is a big one. You do not need an aircraft carriers or air force. You just need $50,000 to buy or manufacture drones or missiles.

Iran’s 2nd tier leadership just beat the US and Israeli brain trust. Iran is now the leading power in the region. They did not even use their tier one missiles and Israel, the US, Saudi, etc got smoked. They will develop more and better missiles based on the data gathered during this war. The Chinese and Russian will ship in more anti aircraft systems with the Chinese provide better and cheaper ballistic missiles in much large numbers.

Iran is clearly the winner and will enjoy immense rise in prestige with countries through the world. Saudi, India, etc are now done with Israel. Israel will have to create a Palestinian state most likely out of Jordan.

Now let’s see which gulf states suffer regime change because that is what is coming. Kingdoms that lose wars fall. Also the gulf state will kick the US out of their countries and welcome in China. You know China? The power behind Iran.

The big wins for the US is we did not put troops on the ground, take military action against China and we forced to leave the region. Though now the US has joined Israel as the pariah state and we are out of NATO. The US military needs to be rebuild, retrained and equipped with modern weaponry. We are totally unprepared for drone warfare.

What a f’ing disaster. Yet not a peer out the traitors who screamed about Benghazi and Afghanistan.

Couldn't read past the bolded, I was laughing too hard.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the things Trump has agree to

Key Points of the Proposal
Security Guarantees: A permanent end to the war and a formal guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again.
Sanctions Relief: The immediate lifting of all U.S. and international sanctions.
Regional De-escalation: An end to Israeli strikes in Lebanon and against other Iranian allies.
Strait of Hormuz Reopening: Iran agrees to reopen the vital shipping route under specific protocols.
Transit Fees: Implementation of a $2 million fee per ship transiting the Strait. Iran proposes splitting these proceeds with Oman.
Reconstruction Funding: Iran plans to use its share of the shipping fees to fund the reconstruction of infrastructure destroyed during the conflict instead of seeking direct reparations.
Nuclear Commitment: A reported commitment by Iran to not seek nuclear weapons and a request for recognition of its right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes.
Frozen Assets: The release of all Iranian funds and assets frozen by the United States.

THIS IS FALSE.

The US has NOT agreed to this!

Yes they have. All of the things list can only be changed if the US and Israel want to invade. These are the same demand Iran has had from the beginning of the war.

Here is the wording of what the president said.
“We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to NEGOTIATE.”
IOW - this has NOT been accepted. It is a basis for negotiations. Trump will never allow Iran to continue to enrich Uranium.

And, my prediction is that ships will transit the strait WITHOUT paying a fee.

But if Iran does not stop bombing Israel like it is currently doing, all bets are off.

Tell me what points will Iran give up in negotiations? Remember you have just bombed them for over a months and not one of their demands has changed. Iran holds all the cards. These points are not demands they are facts on the ground.

F Israel. Israel is never honors a ceasefire. Israel needs a good kick in the head.

The IRGC had its butt kicked. They had a choice. Electricity or no electricity. Pretty simple, China told them to take the deal. They have no allies in the Middle East.

Exactly. Self-preservation kicked in. The PP has been spreading their idiocy all over this forum, to much amusement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AP:

42 min ago
breaking news updates
JUST IN: Israeli military official says the country is still attacking Iran, after White House said Israel agreed to ceasefire

I mean, Iran is firing at Israel too. Funny you didn't mention that.

"Israel is continuing to strike Iran despite the announcement of a cease-fire, an Israeli security official said. Since the cease-fire was announced, Iran has fired several waves of missiles at Israel."

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-war-2026-trump-deadline-latest-news/card/israel-continues-strikes-on-iran-security-official-says-1pSSZt0ibzcfgrfd1H6o

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/1365961

Council on the two-week ceasefire/Iran's conditions for ending the war that Trump was forced to accept
Supreme National Security Council: The United States is committed in principle to non-aggression, continued Iranian control over the Strait of Hormuz, acceptance of enrichment, lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, termination of all Security Council and Board of Governors resolutions, payment of compensation to Iran, withdrawal of US combat forces from the region, and cessation of war on all fronts, including against the heroic Islamic resistance in Lebanon

https://nournews.ir/fa/

To ensure that the ceasefire is actually successful, the world must somehow restrain the Israelis both in Lebanon and against Iran. I'm skeptical about the possibility.

So much for that

Israel continuing to strike in Iran despite ceasefire announcement, security official tells ToI

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-continuing-to-strike-in-iran-despite-ceasefire-announcement-security-official-tells-toi/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/1365961

Council on the two-week ceasefire/Iran's conditions for ending the war that Trump was forced to accept
Supreme National Security Council: The United States is committed in principle to non-aggression, continued Iranian control over the Strait of Hormuz, acceptance of enrichment, lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, termination of all Security Council and Board of Governors resolutions, payment of compensation to Iran, withdrawal of US combat forces from the region, and cessation of war on all fronts, including against the heroic Islamic resistance in Lebanon

https://nournews.ir/fa/

Tell us this isn't Iranian propaganda without telling us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/1365961

Council on the two-week ceasefire/Iran's conditions for ending the war that Trump was forced to accept
Supreme National Security Council: The United States is committed in principle to non-aggression, continued Iranian control over the Strait of Hormuz, acceptance of enrichment, lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, termination of all Security Council and Board of Governors resolutions, payment of compensation to Iran, withdrawal of US combat forces from the region, and cessation of war on all fronts, including against the heroic Islamic resistance in Lebanon

https://nournews.ir/fa/

To ensure that the ceasefire is actually successful, the world must somehow restrain the Israelis both in Lebanon and against Iran. I'm skeptical about the possibility.

Trump doesn't care about the Israelis. We can just cut them out of the deal. They can't do some of their bombing runs without US refueling support. All we have to do to close the deal is exclude Hezbollah from our demands. Israel can't sustain a war against Iran alone. Let alone a two fronted war with both Iran and Lebanon. There's even an out on the Iranian side because they can't sign anything that Israel signs.

Take the W and go home. There's enough that's happened these long 5 weeks for both sides to have something to spin. Let them all bribe each other. Make the tolls payable in Trump crypto. I don't care. This war is low IQ.

[Anonymous]

All we have is that Trump backed out of his promise to commit atrocious war crimes.

The rest is still the same status quo as a few days ago: Iran makes other countries pay through the nose to pass the Strait, and bombings will continue despite the cease-fire.

Our sole achievement is the humiliation of Trump on the international stage. That Trump cannot see. And that morons are trying to spin as a win, for some weird reason.

In other words, nothing to celebrate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/1365961

Council on the two-week ceasefire/Iran's conditions for ending the war that Trump was forced to accept
Supreme National Security Council: The United States is committed in principle to non-aggression, continued Iranian control over the Strait of Hormuz, acceptance of enrichment, lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, termination of all Security Council and Board of Governors resolutions, payment of compensation to Iran, withdrawal of US combat forces from the region, and cessation of war on all fronts, including against the heroic Islamic resistance in Lebanon

https://nournews.ir/fa/

To ensure that the ceasefire is actually successful, the world must somehow restrain the Israelis both in Lebanon and against Iran. I'm skeptical about the possibility.

So much for that

Israel continuing to strike in Iran despite ceasefire announcement, security official tells ToI

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-continuing-to-strike-in-iran-despite-ceasefire-announcement-security-official-tells-toi/

Too bad Iran can't be restrained either.

"Israel is continuing to strike Iran despite the announcement of a cease-fire, an Israeli security official said. Since the cease-fire was announced, Iran has fired several waves of missiles at Israel."

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-war-202...1pSSZt0ibzcfgrfd1H6o

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

All we have is that Trump backed out of his promise to commit atrocious war crimes.

The rest is still the same status quo as a few days ago: Iran makes other countries pay through the nose to pass the Strait, and bombings will continue despite the cease-fire.

Our sole achievement is the humiliation of Trump on the international stage. That Trump cannot see. And that morons are trying to spin as a win, for some weird reason.

In other words, nothing to celebrate.

The end of this stupid (and illegal under US law) war is something to celebrate. What do you want to happen. Don't make his mistake and goad him into putting a permanent blood stain on America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the things Trump has agree to

Key Points of the Proposal
Security Guarantees: A permanent end to the war and a formal guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again.
Sanctions Relief: The immediate lifting of all U.S. and international sanctions.
Regional De-escalation: An end to Israeli strikes in Lebanon and against other Iranian allies.
Strait of Hormuz Reopening: Iran agrees to reopen the vital shipping route under specific protocols.
Transit Fees: Implementation of a $2 million fee per ship transiting the Strait. Iran proposes splitting these proceeds with Oman.
Reconstruction Funding: Iran plans to use its share of the shipping fees to fund the reconstruction of infrastructure destroyed during the conflict instead of seeking direct reparations.
Nuclear Commitment: A reported commitment by Iran to not seek nuclear weapons and a request for recognition of its right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes.
Frozen Assets: The release of all Iranian funds and assets frozen by the United States.

THIS IS FALSE.

The US has NOT agreed to this!

Yes they have. All of the things list can only be changed if the US and Israel want to invade. These are the same demand Iran has had from the beginning of the war.

Here is the wording of what the president said.
“We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to NEGOTIATE.”
IOW - this has NOT been accepted. It is a basis for negotiations. Trump will never allow Iran to continue to enrich Uranium.

And, my prediction is that ships will transit the strait WITHOUT paying a fee.

But if Iran does not stop bombing Israel like it is currently doing, all bets are off.

Tell me what points will Iran give up in negotiations? Remember you have just bombed them for over a months and not one of their demands has changed. Iran holds all the cards. These points are not demands they are facts on the ground.

F Israel. Israel is never honors a ceasefire. Israel needs a good kick in the head.

The IRGC had its butt kicked. They had a choice. Electricity or no electricity. Pretty simple, China told them to take the deal. They have no allies in the Middle East.

With enough money from tolling the Strait they won’t need allies.

The $2M toll won't hold long term. It's too expensive compared to going the long way around Africa

$2 million a tanker is about $2 a barrel. Even at $40 a barrel it is a great deal. At a $100 a barrel it is a 2% tax. I really do nit understand going around Africa? Are you think of the Suez Canal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/1365961

Council on the two-week ceasefire/Iran's conditions for ending the war that Trump was forced to accept
Supreme National Security Council: The United States is committed in principle to non-aggression, continued Iranian control over the Strait of Hormuz, acceptance of enrichment, lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, termination of all Security Council and Board of Governors resolutions, payment of compensation to Iran, withdrawal of US combat forces from the region, and cessation of war on all fronts, including against the heroic Islamic resistance in Lebanon

https://nournews.ir/fa/

To ensure that the ceasefire is actually successful, the world must somehow restrain the Israelis both in Lebanon and against Iran. I'm skeptical about the possibility.

So much for that

Israel continuing to strike in Iran despite ceasefire announcement, security official tells ToI

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-continuing-to-strike-in-iran-despite-ceasefire-announcement-security-official-tells-toi/

Too bad Iran can't be restrained either.

"Israel is continuing to strike Iran despite the announcement of a cease-fire, an Israeli security official said. Since the cease-fire was announced, Iran has fired several waves of missiles at Israel."

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-war-202...1pSSZt0ibzcfgrfd1H6o

Israel has not left Lebanon or the West Bank. So Israel is not living up to the agreement.