Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not SEC, but another office with lots of lawyers, and we are having the same 8 hours versus 8.5 hours argument. We collectively hate ourselves for this.

I am SEC and someone asked this at an all group meeting discussing RTO.

We were explicitly told that you could NOT take your lunch at the end of the day, so you had to there 8.5 hours.

That extra half hour can really make a difference when people are trying to figure out much more complicated school logistics with RTO, but there was no ambiguity in their response.

Whether anyone would really enforce this, who knows.

The passive voice says it all. Told by whom? Where is it written? Did they reference anything authoritative? Or were they just talking out of their butt (like many on this thread)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:EO and OPM memo just dropped clarifying all this. 2 hour required lunch. Must be in middle of work day, straddled between 4 hours on each side.

Seriously? Link?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:EO and OPM memo just dropped clarifying all this. 2 hour required lunch. Must be in middle of work day, straddled between 4 hours on each side.

Seriously? Link?

The fact that something this absurd had even a modicum of believability to it such that you felt the need to ask this question speaks to the insanity of the current moment.

[Anonymous]

I thought they could not look at our badge swipe records unless the person is on a Performance Improvement plan. Does anyone know if this has changed?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not SEC, but another office with lots of lawyers, and we are having the same 8 hours versus 8.5 hours argument. We collectively hate ourselves for this.

I am SEC and someone asked this at an all group meeting discussing RTO.

We were explicitly told that you could NOT take your lunch at the end of the day, so you had to there 8.5 hours.

That extra half hour can really make a difference when people are trying to figure out much more complicated school logistics with RTO, but there was no ambiguity in their response.

Whether anyone would really enforce this, who knows.

The passive voice says it all. Told by whom? Where is it written? Did they reference anything authoritative? Or were they just talking out of their butt (like many on this thread)?

OGC leadership. So, no, I don’t think they were talking out of their asses.

Again, did they cite anything for this?

the source documents are all linked in the intranet in the various timesheet/schedule options. i'm not logging in over the weekend to find it for you. however, the only circumstances where you do not need to take a 30 minute unpaid lunch mid-day is if you are working for 6 hours or less.

and no, the on-site gym is not returning.

That’s nice, but nobody here has addressed the main issue: Time cards ask you to verify that you’ve worked 8 hours. Period. If you’ve worked 8 hours (ie, you were in the office for 8 hrs), your time card is accurate. End of story.

Whether you’ve somehow violated some obscure, vague, ambiguous HR policy that’s on the intranet is another issue entirely. It’s certainly not timecard fraud.

If they really cared about this, they could easily require staff to attest that they were IN THE OFFICE FOR 8.5 HOURS on their time cards. I know several agencies that do just that. It’s not hard.

They can’t have it both ways: Say that must do X with respect to working hours, but then NOT have you attest to whether you’ve indeed done X on your time card.

[Anonymous]

When does the 8 hour clock begin? In the parking garage? In the lobby? When you swipe? At your desk? After you’ve logged in? After you’re done BS’ing with your coworkers at the printer?

Somebody ask “OGC leadership” or read the “policies on the intranet” and post here, please. TYIA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When does the 8 hour clock begin? In the parking garage? In the lobby? When you swipe? At your desk? After you’ve logged in? After you’re done BS’ing with your coworkers at the printer?

Somebody ask “OGC leadership” or read the “policies on the intranet” and post here, please. TYIA.

Yeah, how do I account for the time I think about work matters when I am off the clock (eg, weekend, during the commute, at lunch etc.). At a firm I would just bill for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is, all these draconian rules are really targeted at admin level staff. But they can’t say that and must “apply” them to the accountants, lawyers, etc too, even if they’d prefer not to. And many many of those people will leave as a result. Very sad.

They very much intend for these policies to apply to everyone.

[Anonymous]

Well apparently it’s important to Ken Johnson, now that we’ve averted a shut down, that we continue to send over our 5 bullets to OPM. Thanks for the weekend reminder, Ken! No known negative outcome related to noncompliance here (and frankly, we don’t report to OPM and should owe them nothing), but still an agency policy under this new administration.

So, again, it’s a risk to play fast and loose with agency policies and pretend you can legal your way out of this. But at least you can’t blame anyone but yourself if you have to face the consequences…

[Anonymous]

Why no onsite gym? Will they reopen the coffee shop?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Half of my group is leaving. And some other groups too. Will we therefore escape RIF?

Nope. My team had 54 people on it 1/19/2025. Monday we had 28 after retirements/fork. Thought maybe we’d be spared because we already cut roughly half. By Friday we had 16 left due to RIFs.

And that was just “Phase I.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not SEC, but another office with lots of lawyers, and we are having the same 8 hours versus 8.5 hours argument. We collectively hate ourselves for this.

I am SEC and someone asked this at an all group meeting discussing RTO.

We were explicitly told that you could NOT take your lunch at the end of the day, so you had to there 8.5 hours.

That extra half hour can really make a difference when people are trying to figure out much more complicated school logistics with RTO, but there was no ambiguity in their response.

Whether anyone would really enforce this, who knows.

The passive voice says it all. Told by whom? Where is it written? Did they reference anything authoritative? Or were they just talking out of their butt (like many on this thread)?

OGC leadership. So, no, I don’t think they were talking out of their asses.

Again, did they cite anything for this?

the source documents are all linked in the intranet in the various timesheet/schedule options. i'm not logging in over the weekend to find it for you. however, the only circumstances where you do not need to take a 30 minute unpaid lunch mid-day is if you are working for 6 hours or less.

and no, the on-site gym is not returning.

That’s nice, but nobody here has addressed the main issue: Time cards ask you to verify that you’ve worked 8 hours. Period. If you’ve worked 8 hours (ie, you were in the office for 8 hrs), your time card is accurate. End of story.

Whether you’ve somehow violated some obscure, vague, ambiguous HR policy that’s on the intranet is another issue entirely. It’s certainly not timecard fraud.

If they really cared about this, they could easily require staff to attest that they were IN THE OFFICE FOR 8.5 HOURS on their time cards. I know several agencies that do just that. It’s not hard.

They can’t have it both ways: Say that must do X with respect to working hours, but then NOT have you attest to whether you’ve indeed done X on your time card.

Who said you would be charged with time card fraud? You might be charged for violating the relevant policies. And since you haven’t looked at the policy (assuming there is one beyond the CBA) it’s rich of you to declare the policy ambiguous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why no onsite gym? Will they reopen the coffee shop?

And the subsidized massages?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half of my group is leaving. And some other groups too. Will we therefore escape RIF?

Nope. My team had 54 people on it 1/19/2025. Monday we had 28 after retirements/fork. Thought maybe we’d be spared because we already cut roughly half. By Friday we had 16 left due to RIFs.

And that was just “Phase I.”

There haven’t been any RIFs at the agency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half of my group is leaving. And some other groups too. Will we therefore escape RIF?

Nope. My team had 54 people on it 1/19/2025. Monday we had 28 after retirements/fork. Thought maybe we’d be spared because we already cut roughly half. By Friday we had 16 left due to RIFs.

And that was just “Phase I.”

At the SEC? Since the RIF plans were just formulated, I highly doubt anything was implanted Friday.