Herndon high - what’s going on?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Standards based grading was designed to accurately reflect what students could do. Lots of students who got all A’s and B’s because they “played the game” well struggled on AP exams and in college because their high grades misled them on their actual abilities. There are a lot more average students out there than parents want to admit.

If FCPS wants to lead the nation in cracking down on grade inflation, so be it. But it is silly to have Herndon and Madison students try to do this on their own. The only people hurt are the students who are disadvantaged against their peers literally a few miles down the road. It is also so stressful for the kids to have put up with all the confusion over the grades from year to year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Standards based grading was designed to accurately reflect what students could do. Lots of students who got all A’s and B’s because they “played the game” well struggled on AP exams and in college because their high grades misled them on their actual abilities. There are a lot more average students out there than parents want to admit.

Isn’t “playing the game” part of life? Does the workforce reflect book smart kids achievements? I think not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Standards based grading was designed to accurately reflect what students could do. Lots of students who got all A’s and B’s because they “played the game” well struggled on AP exams and in college because their high grades misled them on their actual abilities. There are a lot more average students out there than parents want to admit.

And average teachers too! SBG works when the teachers have buy in and do the work to make it work. I’m sure there are some good teachers at Herndon but more of them seem lacking the ability to pull this off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Standards based grading was designed to accurately reflect what students could do. Lots of students who got all A’s and B’s because they “played the game” well struggled on AP exams and in college because their high grades misled them on their actual abilities. There are a lot more average students out there than parents want to admit.

And average teachers too! SBG works when the teachers have buy in and do the work to make it work. I’m sure there are some good teachers at Herndon but more of them seem lacking the ability to pull this off.

Burn!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Standards based grading was designed to accurately reflect what students could do. Lots of students who got all A’s and B’s because they “played the game” well struggled on AP exams and in college because their high grades misled them on their actual abilities. There are a lot more average students out there than parents want to admit.

Standardized tests usually prove the gap is real.

[Anonymous]

SBG is generally used in schools where students are not able to play the game because they have never been held accountable for being lazy in upper elementary or middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Standards based grading was designed to accurately reflect what students could do. Lots of students who got all A’s and B’s because they “played the game” well struggled on AP exams and in college because their high grades misled them on their actual abilities. There are a lot more average students out there than parents want to admit.

And average teachers too! SBG works when the teachers have buy in and do the work to make it work. I’m sure there are some good teachers at Herndon but more of them seem lacking the ability to pull this off.

Pull what off? Genuinely curious. HHS teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Standards based grading was designed to accurately reflect what students could do. Lots of students who got all A’s and B’s because they “played the game” well struggled on AP exams and in college because their high grades misled them on their actual abilities. There are a lot more average students out there than parents want to admit.

And average teachers too! SBG works when the teachers have buy in and do the work to make it work. I’m sure there are some good teachers at Herndon but more of them seem lacking the ability to pull this off.

Pull what off? Genuinely curious. HHS teacher.

SBG involves “unpacking” the standards and putting in the prep work to grade only summatives - which is a very different approach to teaching.

If you are a HHS Teacher, fill us in on your perspective of the school year. I’m genuinely curious what the teachers think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Next election cycle, find some legitimate conservatives to run for school board instead of a bunch of MAGA clowns and I'll be glad to vote for one of them.

I don’t think a moderate conservative can overcome the non-parent voter who will just vote blue down the line. Dems will always win in this area and these problems are theirs alone to solve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Standards based grading was designed to accurately reflect what students could do. Lots of students who got all A’s and B’s because they “played the game” well struggled on AP exams and in college because their high grades misled them on their actual abilities. There are a lot more average students out there than parents want to admit.

Funny. Do you know some teachers, let’s say Marketing, basically does no in front of class teaching now and has kids teach themselves from online materials. Kinda like COVID days of yore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Next election cycle, find some legitimate conservatives to run for school board instead of a bunch of MAGA clowns and I'll be glad to vote for one of them.

I don’t think a moderate conservative can overcome the non-parent voter who will just vote blue down the line. Dems will always win in this area and these problems are theirs alone to solve.

Agree. Also agree that the co derivatives have not put up decent candidates, so there’s that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Standards based grading was designed to accurately reflect what students could do. Lots of students who got all A’s and B’s because they “played the game” well struggled on AP exams and in college because their high grades misled them on their actual abilities. There are a lot more average students out there than parents want to admit.

And average teachers too! SBG works when the teachers have buy in and do the work to make it work. I’m sure there are some good teachers at Herndon but more of them seem lacking the ability to pull this off.

Pull what off? Genuinely curious. HHS teacher.

SBG involves “unpacking” the standards and putting in the prep work to grade only summatives - which is a very different approach to teaching.

If you are a HHS Teacher, fill us in on your perspective of the school year. I’m genuinely curious what the teachers think.

And here we go. I was waiting for someone to start explaining teachers how to do our job. Because sure, HHS mess is because teachers don’t know how to teach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Standards based grading was designed to accurately reflect what students could do. Lots of students who got all A’s and B’s because they “played the game” well struggled on AP exams and in college because their high grades misled them on their actual abilities. There are a lot more average students out there than parents want to admit.

And average teachers too! SBG works when the teachers have buy in and do the work to make it work. I’m sure there are some good teachers at Herndon but more of them seem lacking the ability to pull this off.

Pull what off? Genuinely curious. HHS teacher.

SBG involves “unpacking” the standards and putting in the prep work to grade only summatives - which is a very different approach to teaching.

If you are a HHS Teacher, fill us in on your perspective of the school year. I’m genuinely curious what the teachers think.

And here we go. I was waiting for someone to start explaining teachers how to do our job. Because sure, HHS mess is because teachers don’t know how to teach.

DP my take is different. I don’t think teachers get enough lead time to do SBG properly so that students know upfront what will be assigned and when, what will be addressed on each summative, etc. I also believe that teachers need teaching assistants to grade and return homework in a timely fashion. SBG needs much more staff than what schools currently have. This reflects poorly on the principal’s ability to plan properly. Worse each teacher (and some within the same discipline) are taking very different approaches to SBG, and that started before she changed things around after 4Q started. Still no consistency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Standards based grading was designed to accurately reflect what students could do. Lots of students who got all A’s and B’s because they “played the game” well struggled on AP exams and in college because their high grades misled them on their actual abilities. There are a lot more average students out there than parents want to admit.

If FCPS wants to lead the nation in cracking down on grade inflation, so be it. But it is silly to have Herndon and Madison students try to do this on their own. The only people hurt are the students who are disadvantaged against their peers literally a few miles down the road. It is also so stressful for the kids to have put up with all the confusion over the grades from year to year.

Agree that SBG is stressful and confusing for kids. I have plenty of graded practice and assessments throughout the year from my Madison student with one thing marked off, sometimes the answer is actually correct, and the teacher scored it a 3. Now that it is the end of the year, suddenly the grading is getting easier and projects are being assigned instead of tests, just like last year. Last year, grades suddenly went up the last quarter when a bunch of grades were dropped and replaced and the same will happen this year. The narrative is that students show improvement over the course of the year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Standards based grading was designed to accurately reflect what students could do. Lots of students who got all A’s and B’s because they “played the game” well struggled on AP exams and in college because their high grades misled them on their actual abilities. There are a lot more average students out there than parents want to admit.

And average teachers too! SBG works when the teachers have buy in and do the work to make it work. I’m sure there are some good teachers at Herndon but more of them seem lacking the ability to pull this off.

Pull what off? Genuinely curious. HHS teacher.

SBG involves “unpacking” the standards and putting in the prep work to grade only summatives - which is a very different approach to teaching.

If you are a HHS Teacher, fill us in on your perspective of the school year. I’m genuinely curious what the teachers think.

And here we go. I was waiting for someone to start explaining teachers how to do our job. Because sure, HHS mess is because teachers don’t know how to teach.

DP my take is different. I don’t think teachers get enough lead time to do SBG properly so that students know upfront what will be assigned and when, what will be addressed on each summative, etc. I also believe that teachers need teaching assistants to grade and return homework in a timely fashion. SBG needs much more staff than what schools currently have. This reflects poorly on the principal’s ability to plan properly. Worse each teacher (and some within the same discipline) are taking very different approaches to SBG, and that started before she changed things around after 4Q started. Still no consistency.

Ha! Teaching assistants to grade? That's not happening.