Herndon high - what’s going on?

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Anonymous wrote:So really simplified, is what’s happening at Herndon that less kids are now getting As, Ds and Fs and FCPS making call it’s worth collateral hit on As to get less Ds ands Fs? Is there a way to roll out SBG where Ds and Fs go up but not such a 120 to 20 drop?

I am a Madison parent and embarrassed that we can’t get our act together like the Herndon parents. Super impressed with their PTA. I am personally afraid to complain anymore to the school because my kid was impacted (grade was not rounded up from a 92.4 when all other students were) after I complained last year.

The students of the parents who spoke up at Herndon are feeling impact too. The PTAs Presidents kids were told by teachers that it was their moms fault the teachers had to stay after school for retakes. The teachers are mad at the parents because the principal chose the worst option

OMG. The PTA President was really trying to be reasonable. The principal had already created a monster problem for teachers. Some teachers like my DCs Spanish and English teachers did not provide feedback on homework until after tests papers. Homework was useless in terms of preparing for end of quarter graded work. And teachers take back quizzes tests so you can study from those either.

Take back quizzes before tests so you can’t study from those either.

This was baffling to me this year when quizzes not returned so could not use to study for unit tests. When asked if could review them even just sitting in teacher’s class, was another no and told to just review the Google slide lessons. No clue why. So strange to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So really simplified, is what’s happening at Herndon that less kids are now getting As, Ds and Fs and FCPS making call it’s worth collateral hit on As to get less Ds ands Fs? Is there a way to roll out SBG where Ds and Fs go up but not such a 120 to 20 drop?

I am a Madison parent and embarrassed that we can’t get our act together like the Herndon parents. Super impressed with their PTA. I am personally afraid to complain anymore to the school because my kid was impacted (grade was not rounded up from a 92.4 when all other students were) after I complained last year.

The students of the parents who spoke up at Herndon are feeling impact too. The PTAs Presidents kids were told by teachers that it was their moms fault the teachers had to stay after school for retakes. The teachers are mad at the parents because the principal chose the worst option

OMG. The PTA President was really trying to be reasonable. The principal had already created a monster problem for teachers. Some teachers like my DCs Spanish and English teachers did not provide feedback on homework until after tests papers. Homework was useless in terms of preparing for end of quarter graded work. And teachers take back quizzes tests so you can study from those either.

Take back quizzes before tests so you can’t study from those either.

This was baffling to me this year when quizzes not returned so could not use to study for unit tests. When asked if could review them even just sitting in teacher’s class, was another no and told to just review the Google slide lessons. No clue why. So strange to me.

Is this Herndon or Madison?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SBG is generally used in schools where students are not able to play the game because they have never been held accountable for being lazy in upper elementary or middle school.

Like Madison and Oakton?

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Standards based grading was designed to accurately reflect what students could do. Lots of students who got all A’s and B’s because they “played the game” well struggled on AP exams and in college because their high grades misled them on their actual abilities. There are a lot more average students out there than parents want to admit.

Isn’t “playing the game” part of life? Does the workforce reflect book smart kids achievements? I think not.

I assure you law school and med school performance does.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SBG is generally used in schools where students are not able to play the game because they have never been held accountable for being lazy in upper elementary or middle school.

Like Madison and Oakton?

My Madison honors/AAP kid said grading made more sense in middle school (no SBG). This is more like these kids used to be held accountable. Then, they are thrown into a weird, confusing situation for high school that in no way resembles what they will encounter in college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SBG is generally used in schools where students are not able to play the game because they have never been held accountable for being lazy in upper elementary or middle school.

Like Madison and Oakton?

My Madison honors/AAP kid said grading made more sense in middle school (no SBG). This is more like these kids used to be held accountable. Then, they are thrown into a weird, confusing situation for high school that in no way resembles what they will encounter in college.

I didn’t realize Madison had AAP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So really simplified, is what’s happening at Herndon that less kids are now getting As, Ds and Fs and FCPS making call it’s worth collateral hit on As to get less Ds ands Fs? Is there a way to roll out SBG where Ds and Fs go up but not such a 120 to 20 drop?

I am a Madison parent and embarrassed that we can’t get our act together like the Herndon parents. Super impressed with their PTA. I am personally afraid to complain anymore to the school because my kid was impacted (grade was not rounded up from a 92.4 when all other students were) after I complained last year.

The students of the parents who spoke up at Herndon are feeling impact too. The PTAs Presidents kids were told by teachers that it was their moms fault the teachers had to stay after school for retakes. The teachers are mad at the parents because the principal chose the worst option

OMG. The PTA President was really trying to be reasonable. The principal had already created a monster problem for teachers. Some teachers like my DCs Spanish and English teachers did not provide feedback on homework until after tests papers. Homework was useless in terms of preparing for end of quarter graded work. And teachers take back quizzes tests so you can study from those either.

Take back quizzes before tests so you can’t study from those either.

This was baffling to me this year when quizzes not returned so could not use to study for unit tests. When asked if could review them even just sitting in teacher’s class, was another no and told to just review the Google slide lessons. No clue why. So strange to me.

I know. It is baffling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Next election cycle, find some legitimate conservatives to run for school board instead of a bunch of MAGA clowns and I'll be glad to vote for one of them.

I don’t think a moderate conservative can overcome the non-parent voter who will just vote blue down the line. Dems will always win in this area and these problems are theirs alone to solve.

100% this. I am so sick of the same people who voted for these clowns, turning around and complaining about them. STOP ELECTING LWNJs.

[Anonymous]

Why does FCPS continually feel the need to change what was working well and turn it into chaos?

Regular (traditional) grading worked and was understood by all. Why did they change it?

The small GT program worked and was understood by all to be for only the MOST gifted students, those who weren't able to learn in a regular classroom. Then they expanded it to such an extent that it doesn't mean anything anymore and only serves to divide peers, for no reason at all.

Seems like they (finally) learned that phonics worked well and needed to make a comeback - but only after decades of using reading "instruction" that wasn't actually working.

Wake the hell up, FCPS (and voters).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Regular (traditional) grading worked and was understood by all. Why did they change it?

Because those grades reflected a factual reality, and facts are anathema to leftists.

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Anonymous wrote:Regular (traditional) grading worked and was understood by all. Why did they change it?

Because those grades reflected a factual reality, and facts are anathema to leftists.

Actually those grades did not reflect reality. They overemphasized behavior and did not reflect what students actually knew or could do giving a false reflection of how well they knew the subject and were prepared for the next level. Standards based grading is more factual if grades are meant to gage performance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Next election cycle, find some legitimate conservatives to run for school board instead of a bunch of MAGA clowns and I'll be glad to vote for one of them.

I don’t think a moderate conservative can overcome the non-parent voter who will just vote blue down the line. Dems will always win in this area and these problems are theirs alone to solve.

100% this. I am so sick of the same people who voted for these clowns, turning around and complaining about them. STOP ELECTING LWNJs.

I think SBG and the upcoming redistricting disaster will give the republicans the best opportunity in decades to pick up SB seats.

I’m ready to cut them a large check.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regular (traditional) grading worked and was understood by all. Why did they change it?

Because those grades reflected a factual reality, and facts are anathema to leftists.

Actually those grades did not reflect reality. They overemphasized behavior and did not reflect what students actually knew or could do giving a false reflection of how well they knew the subject and were prepared for the next level. Standards based grading is more factual if grades are meant to gage performance.

Hmmm. There is some truth to that in some cases pertaining to traditional grading. But the way SBG is being handled is NOT addressing the issues. Especially when you look at the issues cited above, like teachers babysitting while students watch videos instead of providing direct instruction, not providing student-specific feedback on homework / quizzes before summative, relying on few graded tasks, in some cases uncertainty about whether an assignment is formative (doesn’t count toward a standards grade) or summative (counts toward the standards grade), etc. This is counter to how children/teens learn. The implementation of SBG is not appropriate. It is mentally exhausting many, seemingly most, students before you even get into class content.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does FCPS continually feel the need to change what was working well and turn it into chaos?

Regular (traditional) grading worked and was understood by all. Why did they change it?

The small GT program worked and was understood by all to be for only the MOST gifted students, those who weren't able to learn in a regular classroom. Then they expanded it to such an extent that it doesn't mean anything anymore and only serves to divide peers, for no reason at all.

Seems like they (finally) learned that phonics worked well and needed to make a comeback - but only after decades of using reading "instruction" that wasn't actually working.

Wake the hell up, FCPS (and voters).

What percent of FFX voters are parents with children in FCPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny. SBG was designed to bring the top down and the bottom up. Looks like it works to me. What’s the problem?

Exactly. This is "equity," playing out in real time. I hope all of you who voted for this are happy with yourselves?

Next election cycle, find some legitimate conservatives to run for school board instead of a bunch of MAGA clowns and I'll be glad to vote for one of them.

I don’t think a moderate conservative can overcome the non-parent voter who will just vote blue down the line. Dems will always win in this area and these problems are theirs alone to solve.

100% this. I am so sick of the same people who voted for these clowns, turning around and complaining about them. STOP ELECTING LWNJs.

I think SBG and the upcoming redistricting disaster will give the republicans the best opportunity in decades to pick up SB seats.

I’m ready to cut them a large check.

Party matters less to me when candidates are all about ideological exercises. I want a SB laser focused on education — not immigration, not social services, etc. Those are certainly important issues but they are outside the lane of the SB. If the GOP endorsed candidates are people who laugh at special needs kids, they won’t have my vote. Ditto the endorsed by the Dems who do not focus on making every kid live up to their potential. There must be some way to measure and recognize individual growth without pretending that 2+2=5 is close enough to pass a standard on addition. Just like I don’t want a surgeon who has a great bedside manner but doesn’t know human anatomy.