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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

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What exactly does “support” trans kids mean to you?

To me, it means helping them sort through their gender issues and helping them align with their thinking with their physical body, thus avoiding a lifetime of treatment as a medical patient

1. You do realize this was exactly the misguided idea behind conversion therapy that never worked and just caused trauma to gay people?

2. You do realize that most people have a “lifetime of treatment as a medical patient” as you describe it? Have you been on birth control? If so, you’ve basically been on what my kid is on. So where is the outcry over teens and older women on birth control or using HRT for perimenopause and menopause? And while we’re at it, better take away anti depressants, heart medication, diabetes, ADHD, etc….all the medications that people take throughout their lives.

Your SON - a male - is on female birth control hormones.

If I really have to explain to you what’s wrong with that you are beyond help.

Nothing? Not going to own up?

Just admit you think trans people are…what? Gross? Immoral? Crazy?

This person was the only honest one willing to say the quiet part out loud.

At least they’re willing to be honest and not pretend they actually care.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

.

What exactly does “support” trans kids mean to you?

To me, it means helping them sort through their gender issues and helping them align with their thinking with their physical body, thus avoiding a lifetime of treatment as a medical patient

1. You do realize this was exactly the misguided idea behind conversion therapy that never worked and just caused trauma to gay people?

2. You do realize that most people have a “lifetime of treatment as a medical patient” as you describe it? Have you been on birth control? If so, you’ve basically been on what my kid is on. So where is the outcry over teens and older women on birth control or using HRT for perimenopause and menopause? And while we’re at it, better take away anti depressants, heart medication, diabetes, ADHD, etc….all the medications that people take throughout their lives.

Your SON - a male - is on female birth control hormones.

If I really have to explain to you what’s wrong with that you are beyond help.

No one GAF what the bigots think.

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

Name calling and hostility is all they have left when confronted with the truth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

.

What exactly does “support” trans kids mean to you?

To me, it means helping them sort through their gender issues and helping them align with their thinking with their physical body, thus avoiding a lifetime of treatment as a medical patient

1. You do realize this was exactly the misguided idea behind conversion therapy that never worked and just caused trauma to gay people?

2. You do realize that most people have a “lifetime of treatment as a medical patient” as you describe it? Have you been on birth control? If so, you’ve basically been on what my kid is on. So where is the outcry over teens and older women on birth control or using HRT for perimenopause and menopause? And while we’re at it, better take away anti depressants, heart medication, diabetes, ADHD, etc….all the medications that people take throughout their lives.

Your SON - a male - is on female birth control hormones.

If I really have to explain to you what’s wrong with that you are beyond help.

Adult trans woman here. No one things their chromosomes change. You just sound like you’re trying to be mean here.

Trans women do not take birth control. We take bioidentical estradiol. Personally, I use injections which cis women don’t really use. Alternatives are pills taken sublingually and patches that some women use for menopause along with a few other options. Where did you get the idea that trans women take birth control???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

.

What exactly does “support” trans kids mean to you?

To me, it means helping them sort through their gender issues and helping them align with their thinking with their physical body, thus avoiding a lifetime of treatment as a medical patient

1. You do realize this was exactly the misguided idea behind conversion therapy that never worked and just caused trauma to gay people?

2. You do realize that most people have a “lifetime of treatment as a medical patient” as you describe it? Have you been on birth control? If so, you’ve basically been on what my kid is on. So where is the outcry over teens and older women on birth control or using HRT for perimenopause and menopause? And while we’re at it, better take away anti depressants, heart medication, diabetes, ADHD, etc….all the medications that people take throughout their lives.

Your SON - a male - is on female birth control hormones.

If I really have to explain to you what’s wrong with that you are beyond help.

No one GAF what the bigots think.

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

Name calling and hostility is all they have left when confronted with the truth.

+1
They can’t convince people with facts. Trying to silence them by calling them
names is all they have left.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

.

What exactly does “support” trans kids mean to you?

To me, it means helping them sort through their gender issues and helping them align with their thinking with their physical body, thus avoiding a lifetime of treatment as a medical patient

1. You do realize this was exactly the misguided idea behind conversion therapy that never worked and just caused trauma to gay people?

2. You do realize that most people have a “lifetime of treatment as a medical patient” as you describe it? Have you been on birth control? If so, you’ve basically been on what my kid is on. So where is the outcry over teens and older women on birth control or using HRT for perimenopause and menopause? And while we’re at it, better take away anti depressants, heart medication, diabetes, ADHD, etc….all the medications that people take throughout their lives.

Your SON - a male - is on female birth control hormones.

If I really have to explain to you what’s wrong with that you are beyond help.

Nothing? Not going to own up?

Just admit you think trans people are…what? Gross? Immoral? Crazy?

This person was the only honest one willing to say the quiet part out loud.

At least they’re willing to be honest and not pretend they actually care.

I am not OP

And I care far more than people- especially parents- who “affirm” this mental illness in their own kids. Or worse, actually set their kids up for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

.

What exactly does “support” trans kids mean to you?

To me, it means helping them sort through their gender issues and helping them align with their thinking with their physical body, thus avoiding a lifetime of treatment as a medical patient

1. You do realize this was exactly the misguided idea behind conversion therapy that never worked and just caused trauma to gay people?

2. You do realize that most people have a “lifetime of treatment as a medical patient” as you describe it? Have you been on birth control? If so, you’ve basically been on what my kid is on. So where is the outcry over teens and older women on birth control or using HRT for perimenopause and menopause? And while we’re at it, better take away anti depressants, heart medication, diabetes, ADHD, etc….all the medications that people take throughout their lives.

Your SON - a male - is on female birth control hormones.

If I really have to explain to you what’s wrong with that you are beyond help.

Adult trans woman here. No one things their chromosomes change. You just sound like you’re trying to be mean here.

Trans women do not take birth control. We take bioidentical estradiol. Personally, I use injections which cis women don’t really use. Alternatives are pills taken sublingually and patches that some women use for menopause along with a few other options. Where did you get the idea that trans women take birth control???

I'm the PP with the trans daughter. They are referencing what I said earlier when someone said being trans makes you a "lifetime medical patient." I pointed out that what my daughter takes...estrogen and progesterone...are the same kinds of hormones used in the birth control that cis women take. I recognize they are not the SAME because the estrogen in birth control is synthetic, although I believe they are the same that I will take a few years as I'm going through perimenopause. The poster either was being intentionally obtuse or intentionally misunderstood me. My point was that no one seems to care about cis women taking hormones throughout most of their adult lives. We don't call cis women lifetime medical patients because they take hormones.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

.

What exactly does “support” trans kids mean to you?

To me, it means helping them sort through their gender issues and helping them align with their thinking with their physical body, thus avoiding a lifetime of treatment as a medical patient

1. You do realize this was exactly the misguided idea behind conversion therapy that never worked and just caused trauma to gay people?

2. You do realize that most people have a “lifetime of treatment as a medical patient” as you describe it? Have you been on birth control? If so, you’ve basically been on what my kid is on. So where is the outcry over teens and older women on birth control or using HRT for perimenopause and menopause? And while we’re at it, better take away anti depressants, heart medication, diabetes, ADHD, etc….all the medications that people take throughout their lives.

Your SON - a male - is on female birth control hormones.

If I really have to explain to you what’s wrong with that you are beyond help.

Nothing? Not going to own up?

Just admit you think trans people are…what? Gross? Immoral? Crazy?

This person was the only honest one willing to say the quiet part out loud.

At least they’re willing to be honest and not pretend they actually care.

I am not OP

And I care far more than people- especially parents- who “affirm” this mental illness in their own kids. Or worse, actually set their kids up for it.

Care about whom? Obviously not trans people.

Oh, wait. You know people better than they know themselves. You care so much for the poor trans people who are so confused and crazy? Hmmm? Or because they are being misled by the evil trans activists?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

.

What exactly does “support” trans kids mean to you?

To me, it means helping them sort through their gender issues and helping them align with their thinking with their physical body, thus avoiding a lifetime of treatment as a medical patient

1. You do realize this was exactly the misguided idea behind conversion therapy that never worked and just caused trauma to gay people?

2. You do realize that most people have a “lifetime of treatment as a medical patient” as you describe it? Have you been on birth control? If so, you’ve basically been on what my kid is on. So where is the outcry over teens and older women on birth control or using HRT for perimenopause and menopause? And while we’re at it, better take away anti depressants, heart medication, diabetes, ADHD, etc….all the medications that people take throughout their lives.

Your SON - a male - is on female birth control hormones.

If I really have to explain to you what’s wrong with that you are beyond help.

No one GAF what the bigots think.

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

Name calling and hostility is all they have left when confronted with the truth.

The misgendering post should have been removed since it violates the rules. But I think it’s a good reminder of who is posting all of this anti-trans crap.

Bigots.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

.

What exactly does “support” trans kids mean to you?

To me, it means helping them sort through their gender issues and helping them align with their thinking with their physical body, thus avoiding a lifetime of treatment as a medical patient

1. You do realize this was exactly the misguided idea behind conversion therapy that never worked and just caused trauma to gay people?

2. You do realize that most people have a “lifetime of treatment as a medical patient” as you describe it? Have you been on birth control? If so, you’ve basically been on what my kid is on. So where is the outcry over teens and older women on birth control or using HRT for perimenopause and menopause? And while we’re at it, better take away anti depressants, heart medication, diabetes, ADHD, etc….all the medications that people take throughout their lives.

Your SON - a male - is on female birth control hormones.

If I really have to explain to you what’s wrong with that you are beyond help.

Nothing? Not going to own up?

Just admit you think trans people are…what? Gross? Immoral? Crazy?

This person was the only honest one willing to say the quiet part out loud.

At least they’re willing to be honest and not pretend they actually care.

I am not OP

And I care far more than people- especially parents- who “affirm” this mental illness in their own kids. Or worse, actually set their kids up for it.

Care about whom? Obviously not trans people.

Oh, wait. You know people better than they know themselves. You care so much for the poor trans people who are so confused and crazy? Hmmm? Or because they are being misled by the evil trans activists?

Both. You have accurately described the two scenarios.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

.

What exactly does “support” trans kids mean to you?

To me, it means helping them sort through their gender issues and helping them align with their thinking with their physical body, thus avoiding a lifetime of treatment as a medical patient

1. You do realize this was exactly the misguided idea behind conversion therapy that never worked and just caused trauma to gay people?

2. You do realize that most people have a “lifetime of treatment as a medical patient” as you describe it? Have you been on birth control? If so, you’ve basically been on what my kid is on. So where is the outcry over teens and older women on birth control or using HRT for perimenopause and menopause? And while we’re at it, better take away anti depressants, heart medication, diabetes, ADHD, etc….all the medications that people take throughout their lives.

Your SON - a male - is on female birth control hormones.

If I really have to explain to you what’s wrong with that you are beyond help.

No one GAF what the bigots think.

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

Name calling and hostility is all they have left when confronted with the truth.

The misgendering post should have been removed since it violates the rules. But I think it’s a good reminder of who is posting all of this anti-trans crap.

Bigots.

It’s not anti-trans to point out the science is far from “settled.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

Because being one sex or the other isn’t a “feeling.” It’s a fact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

Because being one sex or the other isn’t a “feeling.” It’s a fact.

I still don't understand why you said it's a negative to be trans. It doesn't make sense. Plenty of trans people transition and are happy. It's only a negative to you, not to happily transitioned people and yes there are a lot out there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

That is me you're referring to, and I will actually answer this question honestly. Please read carefully, as I have gone through the trouble to include relevant links and seriously responded to you respectfully.

Yes. My child is a little neurodiverse. The word that was always used by her doctor was "quirky." There is a known overlap between people who are trans and people who are neurodivergent. Medicine is not yet sure why. There is actually a study being conducted now I believe through Children's National that aims to understand this relation better:
(https://www.childrensnational.org/get-care/departments/gender-and-autism-program)

Is it causation or correlation? And I do not know the answer. And in doing my initial research after my child came out, this gave me pause, and my husband and I thought about it a lot and worried about it. Some people feel that it's because people who are neurodiverse care less about societal expectations. However, after all of the research I did, I personally believe there is some kind of genetic link. There is also an overlap with Ehlers Danlos and hypermobility. My child is also hypermobile. (https://ehlersdanlosnews.com/news/high-rate-transgender-gender-diverse-identities-eds-clinic/)

She does not have any other mental health issues outside of the anxiety and depression regarding her dysphoria (which has resolved now), assuming being neurodivergent is a mental health issue, which is debatable. I think your intention is to say that because she is neurodivergent that is why she THINKS she is trans. And this is certainly something I thought deeply about when my child came out. However, I ultimately feel that there is actually some causation between being trans and neurodivergent. I think seeing the link between hypermobility as well really pushed me over the edge into believing that there is a genetic link we do not understand yet. There is no way for me to fully answer this question because it is ultimately a belief I came to after many many long talks with my child. There is no way for me to know if her being neurodivergent causes her dysphoria, but ultimately it does not really matter because both exist.

I struggled with my own weight growing up, so your comment about body size and unhappiness was something I also deeply considered. I could understand what it feels like to dislike my body. However, her feelings about her body were not like my feelings. She was having panic attacks in the shower that she hid from us. She had stopped wearing any clothing that revealed any skin. She would not participate in any activities that would reveal her body. As she eventually explained to us (she hid this for several years trying to hope it would go away), she did not feel like her body aligned with her mind. As she transitioned, she gradually became better. She shows her body now. She socializes. She doesn't hate herself. So some of those things I couldn't answer when she first came out, and I questioned them. But time was the answer, and I believe we made the right choice in supporting her.

I think the questions you are asking ultimately come down to the question of if you know and trust that your child knows themselves. And that is a very difficult question to answer. I can only say that I have a child who knows herself and has not wavered once since she came out. And she has endured embarrassing and difficult things and physically painful things and fights and long discussions that I know she felt were intrusive and she went through ALL of it and never said stop or that she wasn't sure.

So I understand what you're trying to prove--that I'm facilitating a mental health problem with my child instead of trying to get to her to stop believing she's trans. You're equating being trans with encouraging her to develop anorexia or emotionally abusing my child. However, I believe that there is some medical reason why she is trans and that it is not a mental illness--that there is some disconnect between her mind and body that science does not yet understand. Most of the changes that hormones create are reversible, including fertility. However, we planned for that by doing fertility banking just in case.

Additionally, if I had said no and said that she was mentally ill and I would only support any therapy that would convince her of that, how would that have affected our relationship and her ability to trust me with anything else in her life? If I had said that I didn't know what I thought and made her wait until she was 18, that also would have been choosing an action--inaction. And she would have just waited until she was 18 and we would have had no say about fertility banking and she would have resented and hated us--and if I thought she REALLY was mentally ill I would have endured that if I thought it was in her best interest. But I didn't believe that.