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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

Precisely. Men are free to wear makeup and listen show-tunes. Women and girls are free to shave their heads and enjoy wood-working.

What’s negative is confusing stereotypes and biological sex and misleading a child that they “transition” their sex, which is not humanly possible.

And people are free to transition to the gender they identify with.

It’s not about “stereotypes”.

Sex is biology. Gender is stereotypes.

If it’s about changing gender, why is the treatment changing sex? (Which is not possible).

Nobody is trying to change their DNA or swap out their gonads.

DP

But they’re surgically altering their genitalia.

And why the eye roll? They are literally trying to physically become the opposite sex.

You can’t become the opposite sex. You’ll always be xx or xy. There are superficial changes to align with a certain gender but that doesn’t change your sex.

You may think you’re XX or XY, but do you actually know it about yourself—have you been karyotyped?

For that matter, on what basis are you sure about this regarding humans as a group?

https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/12/6/750/5823304

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

Precisely. Men are free to wear makeup and listen show-tunes. Women and girls are free to shave their heads and enjoy wood-working.

What’s negative is confusing stereotypes and biological sex and misleading a child that they “transition” their sex, which is not humanly possible.

And people are free to transition to the gender they identify with.

It’s not about “stereotypes”.

Sex is biology. Gender is stereotypes.

If it’s about changing gender, why is the treatment changing sex? (Which is not possible).

Nobody is trying to change their DNA or swap out their gonads.

DP

But they’re surgically altering their genitalia.

And why the eye roll? They are literally trying to physically become the opposite sex.

You can’t become the opposite sex. You’ll always be xx or xy. There are superficial changes to align with a certain gender but that doesn’t change your sex.

So a penis, vagina and breasts are related to gender, not sex? Is that what you’re saying?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

Precisely. Men are free to wear makeup and listen show-tunes. Women and girls are free to shave their heads and enjoy wood-working.

What’s negative is confusing stereotypes and biological sex and misleading a child that they “transition” their sex, which is not humanly possible.

And people are free to transition to the gender they identify with.

It’s not about “stereotypes”.

Sex is biology. Gender is stereotypes.

If it’s about changing gender, why is the treatment changing sex? (Which is not possible).

Nobody is trying to change their DNA or swap out their gonads.

DP

But they’re surgically altering their genitalia.

And why the eye roll? They are literally trying to physically become the opposite sex.

And, even worse gaslight everyone else into believing that they are now the sex.

And BTW, I pay for all of this through my insurance, so yes it does affect me.

I always wonder if it’s the same 3 people here who say this stuff over and over or if this is just all of Loudon county and this is who elected Youngkin.

Like are there 3 people here who gnash their teeth perpetually obsessed with trans people? And they just post over and over because they’re absolutely losing their minds over the idea that trans people exist? Or is this site overrun with bigots who love that they have an anonymous space to say the things they’d never dare in person.

No. Sorry to disappoint. I’m in NW DC. Probably your neighbor!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

Precisely. Men are free to wear makeup and listen show-tunes. Women and girls are free to shave their heads and enjoy wood-working.

What’s negative is confusing stereotypes and biological sex and misleading a child that they “transition” their sex, which is not humanly possible.

And people are free to transition to the gender they identify with.

It’s not about “stereotypes”.

Sex is biology. Gender is stereotypes.

If it’s about changing gender, why is the treatment changing sex? (Which is not possible).

Nobody is trying to change their DNA or swap out their gonads.

DP

But they’re surgically altering their genitalia.

And why the eye roll? They are literally trying to physically become the opposite sex.

And, even worse gaslight everyone else into believing that they are now the sex.

And BTW, I pay for all of this through my insurance, so yes it does affect me.

I always wonder if it’s the same 3 people here who say this stuff over and over or if this is just all of Loudon county and this is who elected Youngkin.

Like are there 3 people here who gnash their teeth perpetually obsessed with trans people? And they just post over and over because they’re absolutely losing their minds over the idea that trans people exist? Or is this site overrun with bigots who love that they have an anonymous space to say the things they’d never dare in person.

No. Sorry to disappoint. I’m in NW DC. Probably your neighbor!

I’m in Montgomery county! Probably close enough in to be their neighbor too!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

Precisely. Men are free to wear makeup and listen show-tunes. Women and girls are free to shave their heads and enjoy wood-working.

What’s negative is confusing stereotypes and biological sex and misleading a child that they “transition” their sex, which is not humanly possible.

And people are free to transition to the gender they identify with.

It’s not about “stereotypes”.

Sex is biology. Gender is stereotypes.

If it’s about changing gender, why is the treatment changing sex? (Which is not possible).

Nobody is trying to change their DNA or swap out their gonads.

DP

But they’re surgically altering their genitalia.

And why the eye roll? They are literally trying to physically become the opposite sex.

You can’t become the opposite sex. You’ll always be xx or xy. There are superficial changes to align with a certain gender but that doesn’t change your sex.

So a penis, vagina and breasts are related to gender, not sex? Is that what you’re saying?

NP. Yes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

Precisely. Men are free to wear makeup and listen show-tunes. Women and girls are free to shave their heads and enjoy wood-working.

What’s negative is confusing stereotypes and biological sex and misleading a child that they “transition” their sex, which is not humanly possible.

And people are free to transition to the gender they identify with.

It’s not about “stereotypes”.

Sex is biology. Gender is stereotypes.

If it’s about changing gender, why is the treatment changing sex? (Which is not possible).

Nobody is trying to change their DNA or swap out their gonads.

DP

But they’re surgically altering their genitalia.

And why the eye roll? They are literally trying to physically become the opposite sex.

You can’t become the opposite sex. You’ll always be xx or xy. There are superficial changes to align with a certain gender but that doesn’t change your sex.

So a penis, vagina and breasts are related to gender, not sex? Is that what you’re saying?

NP. Yes.

And herein lies the problem. A penis, vagina and breasts are not “social constructs”. They are primary sex characteristics. Expressions of XX or XY chromosomes. Actual scientific words with actual scientific meaning.

The lack of scientific literacy in this country is ASTOUNDING.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

Precisely. Men are free to wear makeup and listen show-tunes. Women and girls are free to shave their heads and enjoy wood-working.

What’s negative is confusing stereotypes and biological sex and misleading a child that they “transition” their sex, which is not humanly possible.

And people are free to transition to the gender they identify with.

It’s not about “stereotypes”.

Sex is biology. Gender is stereotypes.

If it’s about changing gender, why is the treatment changing sex? (Which is not possible).

Nobody is trying to change their DNA or swap out their gonads.

DP

But they’re surgically altering their genitalia.

And why the eye roll? They are literally trying to physically become the opposite sex.

You can’t become the opposite sex. You’ll always be xx or xy. There are superficial changes to align with a certain gender but that doesn’t change your sex.

So a penis, vagina and breasts are related to gender, not sex? Is that what you’re saying?

NP. Yes.

And herein lies the problem. A penis, vagina and breasts are not “social constructs”. They are primary sex characteristics. Expressions of XX or XY chromosomes. Actual scientific words with actual scientific meaning.

The lack of scientific literacy in this country is ASTOUNDING.

Exactly. And to clarify, there is no such thing as “gender.” Except I’m language study, of course

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

Precisely. Men are free to wear makeup and listen show-tunes. Women and girls are free to shave their heads and enjoy wood-working.

What’s negative is confusing stereotypes and biological sex and misleading a child that they “transition” their sex, which is not humanly possible.

And people are free to transition to the gender they identify with.

It’s not about “stereotypes”.

Sex is biology. Gender is stereotypes.

If it’s about changing gender, why is the treatment changing sex? (Which is not possible).

Nobody is trying to change their DNA or swap out their gonads.

DP

But they’re surgically altering their genitalia.

And why the eye roll? They are literally trying to physically become the opposite sex.

You can’t become the opposite sex. You’ll always be xx or xy. There are superficial changes to align with a certain gender but that doesn’t change your sex.

So a penis, vagina and breasts are related to gender, not sex? Is that what you’re saying?

NP. Yes.

And herein lies the problem. A penis, vagina and breasts are not “social constructs”. They are primary sex characteristics. Expressions of XX or XY chromosomes. Actual scientific words with actual scientific meaning.

The lack of scientific literacy in this country is ASTOUNDING.

You’re right, the lack of scientific literacy in this country is ASTOUNDING. Breasts are a SECONDARY sex characteristic.

[Anonymous]

Helen Joyce made a comment which I think really rings true when it comes to parents of transgender children. These parents will be the ones to fight the hardest against sex based rights, biology and facts because they have allowed irrecoverable changes to their child’s body. They will have to believe they did the right thing for their child for the rest of their lives for their own sanity and for their own self-respect. These parents will dig their heels in and keep this movement going regardless if it destroys single sex spaces or harms other people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

Precisely. Men are free to wear makeup and listen show-tunes. Women and girls are free to shave their heads and enjoy wood-working.

What’s negative is confusing stereotypes and biological sex and misleading a child that they “transition” their sex, which is not humanly possible.

And people are free to transition to the gender they identify with.

It’s not about “stereotypes”.

Sex is biology. Gender is stereotypes.

If it’s about changing gender, why is the treatment changing sex? (Which is not possible).

Nobody is trying to change their DNA or swap out their gonads.

DP

But they’re surgically altering their genitalia.

And why the eye roll? They are literally trying to physically become the opposite sex.

You can’t become the opposite sex. You’ll always be xx or xy. There are superficial changes to align with a certain gender but that doesn’t change your sex.

You may think you’re XX or XY, but do you actually know it about yourself—have you been karyotyped?

For that matter, on what basis are you sure about this regarding humans as a group?

https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/12/6/750/5823304

Holy fückballs did you even read that study? Because unless you’re fungi, or a reptile, or a puffer fish, this study doesn’t apply here. This study does not include humans.

What evidence convinces you that the phenomena described there don’t occur in mammals?

I notice that you have no answer about having been karyotyped.

The fact that there is no literature to support it.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

Precisely. Men are free to wear makeup and listen show-tunes. Women and girls are free to shave their heads and enjoy wood-working.

What’s negative is confusing stereotypes and biological sex and misleading a child that they “transition” their sex, which is not humanly possible.

And people are free to transition to the gender they identify with.

It’s not about “stereotypes”.

Sex is biology. Gender is stereotypes.

If it’s about changing gender, why is the treatment changing sex? (Which is not possible).

Nobody is trying to change their DNA or swap out their gonads.

DP

But they’re surgically altering their genitalia.

And why the eye roll? They are literally trying to physically become the opposite sex.

You can’t become the opposite sex. You’ll always be xx or xy. There are superficial changes to align with a certain gender but that doesn’t change your sex.

So a penis, vagina and breasts are related to gender, not sex? Is that what you’re saying?

NP. Yes.

And herein lies the problem. A penis, vagina and breasts are not “social constructs”. They are primary sex characteristics. Expressions of XX or XY chromosomes. Actual scientific words with actual scientific meaning.

The lack of scientific literacy in this country is ASTOUNDING.

You’re right, the lack of scientific literacy in this country is ASTOUNDING. Breasts are a SECONDARY sex characteristic.

You are correct. My bad.
My point still stands - either primary or secondary, they are both SEX characteristics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Helen Joyce made a comment which I think really rings true when it comes to parents of transgender children. These parents will be the ones to fight the hardest against sex based rights, biology and facts because they have allowed irrecoverable changes to their child’s body. They will have to believe they did the right thing for their child for the rest of their lives for their own sanity and for their own self-respect. These parents will dig their heels in and keep this movement going regardless if it destroys single sex spaces or harms other people.

This is absolutely it.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

Precisely. Men are free to wear makeup and listen show-tunes. Women and girls are free to shave their heads and enjoy wood-working.

What’s negative is confusing stereotypes and biological sex and misleading a child that they “transition” their sex, which is not humanly possible.

And people are free to transition to the gender they identify with.

It’s not about “stereotypes”.

Sex is biology. Gender is stereotypes.

If it’s about changing gender, why is the treatment changing sex? (Which is not possible).

Nobody is trying to change their DNA or swap out their gonads.

DP

But they’re surgically altering their genitalia.

And why the eye roll? They are literally trying to physically become the opposite sex.

You can’t become the opposite sex. You’ll always be xx or xy. There are superficial changes to align with a certain gender but that doesn’t change your sex.

You may think you’re XX or XY, but do you actually know it about yourself—have you been karyotyped?

For that matter, on what basis are you sure about this regarding humans as a group?

https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/12/6/750/5823304

Holy fückballs did you even read that study? Because unless you’re fungi, or a reptile, or a puffer fish, this study doesn’t apply here. This study does not include humans.

What evidence convinces you that the phenomena described there don’t occur in mammals?

I notice that you have no answer about having been karyotyped.

The fact that there is no literature to support it.

The exhaustive search you conducted in the last five minutes persuades you of the state of “the science.” Got it

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

Precisely. Men are free to wear makeup and listen show-tunes. Women and girls are free to shave their heads and enjoy wood-working.

What’s negative is confusing stereotypes and biological sex and misleading a child that they “transition” their sex, which is not humanly possible.

And people are free to transition to the gender they identify with.

It’s not about “stereotypes”.

Sex is biology. Gender is stereotypes.

If it’s about changing gender, why is the treatment changing sex? (Which is not possible).

Nobody is trying to change their DNA or swap out their gonads.

DP

But they’re surgically altering their genitalia.

And why the eye roll? They are literally trying to physically become the opposite sex.

You can’t become the opposite sex. You’ll always be xx or xy. There are superficial changes to align with a certain gender but that doesn’t change your sex.

You may think you’re XX or XY, but do you actually know it about yourself—have you been karyotyped?

For that matter, on what basis are you sure about this regarding humans as a group?

https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/12/6/750/5823304

Holy fückballs did you even read that study? Because unless you’re fungi, or a reptile, or a puffer fish, this study doesn’t apply here. This study does not include humans.

What evidence convinces you that the phenomena described there don’t occur in mammals?

I notice that you have no answer about having been karyotyped.

Oh and I have not been karyotyped. As far as I know. Why would I need to be?
I am female. I am XX. There is zero reason to think otherwise. Can you point me to a study that shows a large number of females are actually not XX?

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Anonymous wrote:You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead.

You feel the best way to handle your child’s transgenderism is by validating your child’s feelings, is that correct? Your born male child said he felt like he was really a girl so you followed the course of action to validate her feelings that she was really a girl. You helped her medically transition to a girl. Correct?

Is your child neurodiverse or has any mental health issues?

What if your child had come to you instead and said “I hate my body because I’m too fat” even though they were skinny? What if they really, truly believed they were fat even though they weren’t? Would you have affirmed their feelings and help them lose more weight? What if being dangerously skinny made them happier?

What if your child came to you and said “I hate myself because I’m such a loser”? Would you affirm that they were a loser? Your child really, truly felt they were a loser. How far would you go in affirming their feelings?

I’m going to assume you wouldn’t affirm your child’s feelings in the above cases. Why not? Why is it okay to affirm your child’s feelings they are wrong gender but not other negative feelings they have?

Not the pp you replied to. Why are you calling feeling like you're the other gender a negative feeling? To me, it isn't.

Precisely. Men are free to wear makeup and listen show-tunes. Women and girls are free to shave their heads and enjoy wood-working.

What’s negative is confusing stereotypes and biological sex and misleading a child that they “transition” their sex, which is not humanly possible.

And people are free to transition to the gender they identify with.

It’s not about “stereotypes”.

Sex is biology. Gender is stereotypes.

If it’s about changing gender, why is the treatment changing sex? (Which is not possible).

Nobody is trying to change their DNA or swap out their gonads.

DP

But they’re surgically altering their genitalia.

And why the eye roll? They are literally trying to physically become the opposite sex.

You can’t become the opposite sex. You’ll always be xx or xy. There are superficial changes to align with a certain gender but that doesn’t change your sex.

You may think you’re XX or XY, but do you actually know it about yourself—have you been karyotyped?

For that matter, on what basis are you sure about this regarding humans as a group?

https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/12/6/750/5823304

Holy fückballs did you even read that study? Because unless you’re fungi, or a reptile, or a puffer fish, this study doesn’t apply here. This study does not include humans.

What evidence convinces you that the phenomena described there don’t occur in mammals?

I notice that you have no answer about having been karyotyped.

The fact that there is no literature to support it.

The exhaustive search you conducted in the last five minutes persuades you of the state of “the science.” Got it

Waiting for you to post the literature that does show it. Since you seem to know it exists.