Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

I think you meant to say the hospital did nothing about it. Why didn’t they give her a d&c? Did they even tell her what to do if the fetus came out into the toilet?

Have you ever stuck your hand into a toilet bowl to fish out what just passed out of your vagina?

Well, IF WE WAIT FOR ALL THR FACTS TO COME OUT we will certainly know the answer to this question.

I don’t feel like I need to know “ALL THR FACTS” about this poor woman’s stillbirth and wish law enforcement had just left her alone like the handcuffed doctors did.

Really? What if they offered to admit her to deliver the baby in the hospital and she refused? What if they told her what to expect, and exactly what to do if she delivered the baby at home, and she did something else? What if she completely ignored all medical advice?

I'm sorry if this is offensive, but for many people a dead late 2nd trimester fetus covered in blood and gestational sac plus placenta would not feel like a newborn baby. Especially if there had been something wrong developmentally with the fetus and it was deformed.

Please tell us at which week in a pregnancy you think a woman should be required to fish out the pregnancy-related contents of her womb that had passed into a toilet bowl. Even if there was poop and dissolved tp and other things in the bowl.

If a woman goes to the hospital, they offer to admit her so she can deliver there, and she refuses, deciding to do it on her own, then she’s required to do that at any week of pregnancy.

This is obviously all conjecture. Until we find out what really happened we can make up scenarios all day long.

That apparently is not the law. Ohio does not have a fetal remains disposal law per the article.

Then I guess the case will be a slam dunk.

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Anonymous wrote:The report states the child’s corpse showed signs of injury.

It was a non-viable fetus.

So since it was non-viable you're allowed to beat it up with a plunger since it was already dead?

NOPE. You're not.

please give me your address so I can send you all my used tampons

Your nasty snatch used tampons isn't a 22 week dead baby corpse as much as you want them to be comparable they're not.

so when am I allowed to flush? do you want to come by and examine the remnants of my toilet bowl?

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

I think you meant to say the hospital did nothing about it. Why didn’t they give her a d&c? Did they even tell her what to do if the fetus came out into the toilet?

Have you ever stuck your hand into a toilet bowl to fish out what just passed out of your vagina?

Well, IF WE WAIT FOR ALL THR FACTS TO COME OUT we will certainly know the answer to this question.

I don’t feel like I need to know “ALL THR FACTS” about this poor woman’s stillbirth and wish law enforcement had just left her alone like the handcuffed doctors did.

Really? What if they offered to admit her to deliver the baby in the hospital and she refused? What if they told her what to expect, and exactly what to do if she delivered the baby at home, and she did something else? What if she completely ignored all medical advice?

I'm sorry if this is offensive, but for many people a dead late 2nd trimester fetus covered in blood and gestational sac plus placenta would not feel like a newborn baby. Especially if there had been something wrong developmentally with the fetus and it was deformed.

Please tell us at which week in a pregnancy you think a woman should be required to fish out the pregnancy-related contents of her womb that had passed into a toilet bowl. Even if there was poop and dissolved tp and other things in the bowl.

If a woman goes to the hospital, they offer to admit her so she can deliver there, and she refuses, deciding to do it on her own, then she’s required to do that at any week of pregnancy.

This is obviously all conjecture. Until we find out what really happened we can make up scenarios all day long.

Why would she go to a hospital twice seeking help, only to leave if they actually offered it to her?

Sure, find out what happened. That doesn't mean prosecute her before or you've found out.

That’s a question only she can answer.

But don’t let that stop you from drawing all sorts of conclusions about this story.

You stop drawing conclusions. And stop supporting state harassment of a mother who suffered a pregnancy loss alone in her house.

If she was offered help, denied it and chose to suffer alone in her house, and she violated the law in doing so, then she deserves to be prosecuted.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

I think you meant to say the hospital did nothing about it. Why didn’t they give her a d&c? Did they even tell her what to do if the fetus came out into the toilet?

Have you ever stuck your hand into a toilet bowl to fish out what just passed out of your vagina?

Well, IF WE WAIT FOR ALL THR FACTS TO COME OUT we will certainly know the answer to this question.

I don’t feel like I need to know “ALL THR FACTS” about this poor woman’s stillbirth and wish law enforcement had just left her alone like the handcuffed doctors did.

Really? What if they offered to admit her to deliver the baby in the hospital and she refused? What if they told her what to expect, and exactly what to do if she delivered the baby at home, and she did something else? What if she completely ignored all medical advice?

I'm sorry if this is offensive, but for many people a dead late 2nd trimester fetus covered in blood and gestational sac plus placenta would not feel like a newborn baby. Especially if there had been something wrong developmentally with the fetus and it was deformed.

Please tell us at which week in a pregnancy you think a woman should be required to fish out the pregnancy-related contents of her womb that had passed into a toilet bowl. Even if there was poop and dissolved tp and other things in the bowl.

If a woman goes to the hospital, they offer to admit her so she can deliver there, and she refuses, deciding to do it on her own, then she’s required to do that at any week of pregnancy.

This is obviously all conjecture. Until we find out what really happened we can make up scenarios all day long.

wow so you actually DO think women aren’t allowed to flush. this is a degree of intrusion into private lives that I’m honestly shocked anyone could be advocating.

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Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

So your daughter goes to the hospital, twice, and they tell her her fetus is dead. But they can't help because they'd be participating in (whatever crime) and send her home. So as many of us agree we would do, she sits on the toilet as she strains and labors and bleeds and makes a bloody mess. Plop, out comes the dead baby. (per google, Your baby, or foetus, is around 27.8cm long from head to toe. That's approximately the size of a sweet potato.)

So genius, what does your daughter do next? Hopefully she calls you in her moment of need. What do you tell her to do? Call 911? An undertaker? Fish it out? Keeping in mind that nowadays, this may be a crime scene. Can she interfere with a "crime scene"? Is it really safe for her to call public services for help? Should she fish it out and bury it in the backyard? Is that safe to do, what if someone sees? Fish it out and put it in the garbage? Please tell me, step by step, what the reasonable thing is to do.

I am so confused. Do you really not know the answer to these questions? Or this supposed to be some profound set of rhetorical questions? The answer is A) call 911. And yes, as long as she didn't take illegal and illicit drugs while pregnant, or something else to cause harm, which may show up when they autopsy the fetus, she would not be arrested. Despite your and others' assertions here, it is NOT and never will be illegal to have a stillbirth. What is and should be illegal is to harm a fetus in utero. But does your pro-abortion, my body my rights stance extend to doing whatever you want to your baby as long as it's in utero?

And by the way, nowhere, nowhere, does it say she was not given medical care. I was in early labor at 22 weeks as well, and sent home. You know what I didn't do when I went into real labor about 10 hours later? Deliver on a toilet and flush the baby. I went back to the hospital and delivered it there. It lived for about 45 minutes or so, then the hospital dealt with the remains. We have no clue what the real story is here.

You seem pretty self-righteous and quite frankly narcissistic. Your story is not this woman's story. You have no idea what she went through or what her mental state was. Or what the fetus looked like in a toilet bowl full of blood and pregnancy remnants. You were not there. Stop judging someone who went through a horror.

+1000.

This lady is definitely narcissistic and judgmental. There is no empathy in her post.

Who are these people to control my thoughts and decisions? Who are these people who think that they know best about how a person should react in a situation?

You have a right to your opinion but don’t force it on me. With people like these around, I’m going to become one issue voter!

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Anonymous wrote:I am also 100% pro choice, and I find this story gross, but 1) there is no law in Ohio that dictates how a dead fetus must be disposed of. No funeral rules. 2) I am a rich white lady in a blue state. Yes I'd probably call 911 and trust that I'd be treated reasonably. But if I were black and in a red state? IF (and I know this is debated) I had asked for help twice and been refused, would I have the trust to call 911? Do I have the money to pay the ambulance fee, nevermind whatever else? I have insurance and the fee now is $300.

If the baby was already dead, yes I find what she did gross and horrible but not criminal.

If she had other kids at home and only one bathroom - honestly this is a scenario that is easy for me to empathize with. I’d probably call 911 because I hate pain and would be scared; but who knows what the hospital told her to expect about pain and what to do?

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

I think you meant to say the hospital did nothing about it. Why didn’t they give her a d&c? Did they even tell her what to do if the fetus came out into the toilet?

Have you ever stuck your hand into a toilet bowl to fish out what just passed out of your vagina?

Well, IF WE WAIT FOR ALL THR FACTS TO COME OUT we will certainly know the answer to this question.

I don’t feel like I need to know “ALL THR FACTS” about this poor woman’s stillbirth and wish law enforcement had just left her alone like the handcuffed doctors did.

Really? What if they offered to admit her to deliver the baby in the hospital and she refused? What if they told her what to expect, and exactly what to do if she delivered the baby at home, and she did something else? What if she completely ignored all medical advice?

I'm sorry if this is offensive, but for many people a dead late 2nd trimester fetus covered in blood and gestational sac plus placenta would not feel like a newborn baby. Especially if there had been something wrong developmentally with the fetus and it was deformed.

Please tell us at which week in a pregnancy you think a woman should be required to fish out the pregnancy-related contents of her womb that had passed into a toilet bowl. Even if there was poop and dissolved tp and other things in the bowl.

If a woman goes to the hospital, they offer to admit her so she can deliver there, and she refuses, deciding to do it on her own, then she’s required to do that at any week of pregnancy.

This is obviously all conjecture. Until we find out what really happened we can make up scenarios all day long.

Why would she go to a hospital twice seeking help, only to leave if they actually offered it to her?

Sure, find out what happened. That doesn't mean prosecute her before or you've found out.

That’s a question only she can answer.

But don’t let that stop you from drawing all sorts of conclusions about this story.

You stop drawing conclusions. And stop supporting state harassment of a mother who suffered a pregnancy loss alone in her house.

If she was offered help, denied it and chose to suffer alone in her house, and she violated the law in doing so, then she deserves to be prosecuted.

this is incredibly fascist. so you think women need to register their stillbirths and miscarriages under penalty of law? absolutely crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

So your daughter goes to the hospital, twice, and they tell her her fetus is dead. But they can't help because they'd be participating in (whatever crime) and send her home. So as many of us agree we would do, she sits on the toilet as she strains and labors and bleeds and makes a bloody mess. Plop, out comes the dead baby. (per google, Your baby, or foetus, is around 27.8cm long from head to toe. That's approximately the size of a sweet potato.)

So genius, what does your daughter do next? Hopefully she calls you in her moment of need. What do you tell her to do? Call 911? An undertaker? Fish it out? Keeping in mind that nowadays, this may be a crime scene. Can she interfere with a "crime scene"? Is it really safe for her to call public services for help? Should she fish it out and bury it in the backyard? Is that safe to do, what if someone sees? Fish it out and put it in the garbage? Please tell me, step by step, what the reasonable thing is to do.

I am so confused. Do you really not know the answer to these questions? Or this supposed to be some profound set of rhetorical questions? The answer is A) call 911. And yes, as long as she didn't take illegal and illicit drugs while pregnant, or something else to cause harm, which may show up when they autopsy the fetus, she would not be arrested. Despite your and others' assertions here, it is NOT and never will be illegal to have a stillbirth. What is and should be illegal is to harm a fetus in utero. But does your pro-abortion, my body my rights stance extend to doing whatever you want to your baby as long as it's in utero?

And by the way, nowhere, nowhere, does it say she was not given medical care. I was in early labor at 22 weeks as well, and sent home. You know what I didn't do when I went into real labor about 10 hours later? Deliver on a toilet and flush the baby. I went back to the hospital and delivered it there. It lived for about 45 minutes or so, then the hospital dealt with the remains. We have no clue what the real story is here.

You seem pretty self-righteous and quite frankly narcissistic. Your story is not this woman's story. You have no idea what she went through or what her mental state was. Or what the fetus looked like in a toilet bowl full of blood and pregnancy remnants. You were not there. Stop judging someone who went through a horror.

Neither do you. What you also don’t know is what exactly happened both times she went to the hospital. Did they give her options? Did they try to help her and she refused?

What I do know is that she should be given help, not prosecuted.

p.s. the fact that she went TWICE to the hospital TO GET THEIR HELP (that you think she then refused) shows she was trying to do something about her pregnancy symptoms, that is she was LOOKING FOR HELP. Do you really think they offered a d&c the first time and she said no and went home, only to go back a second time?

Doesn’t matter what I think. Doesn’t matter what you think either. That’s the whole point. We can discuss it in depth once the facts come out.

But for whatever reason some of you refuse to wait for that. Your judge jury and executioner. Not surprising.

I'm not judging her whatsoever. You are the one who is judging her, as is Ohio, which is prosecuting her for a felony. That is disgusting.

I’m not judging anyone - not sure where you’re getting that from.
I’m just sitting here waiting for the facts. Like any reasonable person would.

You support Ohio's prosecution of her for a felony. No reasonable person would support that.

In many states you aren't required to do anything specific with fetal remains until 24 weeks when burial or cremation is mandated. This woman's fetus might have died at 20 weeks in utero. And the number of weeks a pregnancy is dated to is almost always a guess unless someone did IVF. Weeks from last period means nothing to someone who has irregular periods. Size can vary for up to 2 weeks on either end of conception -- I know because I had IVF twins and one was 2 weeks larger than the other. And also varies based on the sonogram and technician/dr. dating the pregnancy.

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Ohio law seems to be written to govern how abortion facilities dispose of fetal remains, and repeatedly state that pregnant women have rights to determine the disposition of fetal remains, but not that certain procedures are required for fetal remains, and certainly not for stillbirths. I did see this:

"Whoever knowingly violates division (A) of this section is guilty of failure to dispose of fetal remains humanely, a misdemeanor of the first degree."

MISDEMEANOR

So all of you criticizing her better get busy passing fetal remains dispositions laws that are even more intrusive than Ohio's.

MAGA

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

I think you meant to say the hospital did nothing about it. Why didn’t they give her a d&c? Did they even tell her what to do if the fetus came out into the toilet?

Have you ever stuck your hand into a toilet bowl to fish out what just passed out of your vagina?

Well, IF WE WAIT FOR ALL THR FACTS TO COME OUT we will certainly know the answer to this question.

I don’t feel like I need to know “ALL THR FACTS” about this poor woman’s stillbirth and wish law enforcement had just left her alone like the handcuffed doctors did.

Really? What if they offered to admit her to deliver the baby in the hospital and she refused? What if they told her what to expect, and exactly what to do if she delivered the baby at home, and she did something else? What if she completely ignored all medical advice?

I'm sorry if this is offensive, but for many people a dead late 2nd trimester fetus covered in blood and gestational sac plus placenta would not feel like a newborn baby. Especially if there had been something wrong developmentally with the fetus and it was deformed.

Please tell us at which week in a pregnancy you think a woman should be required to fish out the pregnancy-related contents of her womb that had passed into a toilet bowl. Even if there was poop and dissolved tp and other things in the bowl.

If a woman goes to the hospital, they offer to admit her so she can deliver there, and she refuses, deciding to do it on her own, then she’s required to do that at any week of pregnancy.

This is obviously all conjecture. Until we find out what really happened we can make up scenarios all day long.

wow so you actually DO think women aren’t allowed to flush. this is a degree of intrusion into private lives that I’m honestly shocked anyone could be advocating.

I think you are a special brand of nuts. One that completely lacks common sense.

please, tell me what common sense democracy regulates what a woman does with the byproducts of a miscarriage at home.

+1 interesting none of these "lock her up" types won't say at what point it is mandated to pull out pregnancy byproducts from a toilet and put them in something to bring to some authority.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

I think you meant to say the hospital did nothing about it. Why didn’t they give her a d&c? Did they even tell her what to do if the fetus came out into the toilet?

Have you ever stuck your hand into a toilet bowl to fish out what just passed out of your vagina?

Well, IF WE WAIT FOR ALL THR FACTS TO COME OUT we will certainly know the answer to this question.

I don’t feel like I need to know “ALL THR FACTS” about this poor woman’s stillbirth and wish law enforcement had just left her alone like the handcuffed doctors did.

Really? What if they offered to admit her to deliver the baby in the hospital and she refused? What if they told her what to expect, and exactly what to do if she delivered the baby at home, and she did something else? What if she completely ignored all medical advice?

I'm sorry if this is offensive, but for many people a dead late 2nd trimester fetus covered in blood and gestational sac plus placenta would not feel like a newborn baby. Especially if there had been something wrong developmentally with the fetus and it was deformed.

Please tell us at which week in a pregnancy you think a woman should be required to fish out the pregnancy-related contents of her womb that had passed into a toilet bowl. Even if there was poop and dissolved tp and other things in the bowl.

If a woman goes to the hospital, they offer to admit her so she can deliver there, and she refuses, deciding to do it on her own, then she’s required to do that at any week of pregnancy.

This is obviously all conjecture. Until we find out what really happened we can make up scenarios all day long.

wow so you actually DO think women aren’t allowed to flush. this is a degree of intrusion into private lives that I’m honestly shocked anyone could be advocating.

I think you are a special brand of nuts. One that completely lacks common sense.

please, tell me what common sense democracy regulates what a woman does with the byproducts of a miscarriage at home.

+1 interesting none of these "lock her up" types won't say at what point it is mandated to pull out pregnancy byproducts from a toilet and put them in something to bring to some authority.

yep. If I was an Ohio woman who had a miscarriage in the second trimester I would literally be scooping it up and taking it to the police station in a baggie. MAGA!

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It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

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"That will never happen"

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

This prosecution is about punishing her because some squeamish male cop was horrified about what came out of her and was in the toilet pipes. Men have little understanding of what a messy, horrible business pregnancy, birth, miscarriage, menstruation can be. They don't want to know. They want to pretend. This is why for centuries birthing was an all female activity - no men in the room. Men are too squeamish to witness that. And they want someone to blame when things go wrong, used to be the midwife.

And if the lady is a poor black woman, easy target for the misogyinst desire to punish and make an example of women for things they don't even really understand. See "Indiana Politician Reportedly Thinks Tampons Give You Orgasms".

FYI the address that appears to be associated with her in the articles is listed as non profit organization helping women in need.

https://www.beatitudehouse.com/

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Anonymous wrote:I had a live baby by myself and we were covered in blood and slippery goo. The baby survived but I was suffering from blood loss, confusion, and shock.

I can’t imagine charging someone who just lost their baby and was dealing with shock, blood loss, grief, etc.

Again, read the thread. She went about her day, then came home to plunge the baby down the toilet. That's why police were called. She abused her dead baby corpse and that is why she was charged with "abuse of a corpse" a totally reasonable charge.

What does "went about her day" exactly mean?

Who's reading things into a short phrasing now?