Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

Your info is waay off. It's 1426 from the uva's website:

REQUIREMENTS
UVA Engineering undergraduates apply and are admitted through the University's undergraduate admissions process. UVA does not have a minimum GPA or a minimum SAT score. The University works hard to take into account all of the information received in each application, so the applicant pool is broad and deep.

Most students admitted to UVA have excelled in school and scored well on the SAT or ACT. For UVA Engineering's 2016-2017 first-year class, 97 percent were in the top 10 percent of their high school classes, and the median combined SAT score was 1426.

WRONG, UVA's website has the middle 50% @1470. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Competitive majors like Engineering & CS are much higher.

Sorry but 1426 median was in fact for engineering, it literally says so here:

https://engineering.virginia.edu/future-undergrads/admissions#accordion93610

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

I don't think UVA publishes an overall percentile scores (Math + Verbal) by school. They publish separate Math and Verbal percentiles by school and they publish a mean for Math and Verbal. For Engineering, the Math median (50th percentile) was 770 and the Verbal median was 730. But you can't add them to get a true composite median. That has to be separately calculated and UVA does not provide that for Engineering.

If you are working with means (averages), you can add them together to get a composite. UVA publishes an mean of 758 Math and 718 Verbal for engineering for 2022 entering class for an overall mean of 1476.

Someone posted above that the mean for TJ is 1533. IF THAT IS TRUE, it would be higher than the mean at UVA Engineering.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

The mean for UVA engineering is around 1550+ which is greater than TJ's paltry 1533 and probably why so many TJ students don't make the cut.

If you follow the link above, you will see that the mean (average) for UVA Engineering for 2022 entering class was 1476 (758 + 718).

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

I don't think UVA publishes an overall percentile scores (Math + Verbal) by school. They publish separate Math and Verbal percentiles by school and they publish a mean for Math and Verbal. For Engineering, the Math median (50th percentile) was 770 and the Verbal median was 730. But you can't add them to get a true composite median. That has to be separately calculated and UVA does not provide that for Engineering.

If you are working with means (averages), you can add them together to get a composite. UVA publishes an mean of 758 Math and 718 Verbal for engineering for 2022 entering class for an overall mean of 1476.

Someone posted above that the mean for TJ is 1533. IF THAT IS TRUE, it would be higher than the mean at UVA Engineering.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

The mean for UVA engineering is around 1550+ which is greater than TJ's paltry 1533 and probably why so many TJ students don't make the cut.

Yep, leave it to the TJ parents to get < and > confused.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

I don't think UVA publishes an overall percentile scores (Math + Verbal) by school. They publish separate Math and Verbal percentiles by school and they publish a mean for Math and Verbal. For Engineering, the Math median (50th percentile) was 770 and the Verbal median was 730. But you can't add them to get a true composite median. That has to be separately calculated and UVA does not provide that for Engineering.

If you are working with means (averages), you can add them together to get a composite. UVA publishes an mean of 758 Math and 718 Verbal for engineering for 2022 entering class for an overall mean of 1476.

Someone posted above that the mean for TJ is 1533. IF THAT IS TRUE, it would be higher than the mean at UVA Engineering.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

The mean for UVA engineering is around 1550+ which is greater than TJ's paltry 1533 and probably why so many TJ students don't make the cut.

Yep, leave it to the TJ parents to get < and > confused.

Except that data is incorrect for UVA and not validated for TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

I don't think UVA publishes an overall percentile scores (Math + Verbal) by school. They publish separate Math and Verbal percentiles by school and they publish a mean for Math and Verbal. For Engineering, the Math median (50th percentile) was 770 and the Verbal median was 730. But you can't add them to get a true composite median. That has to be separately calculated and UVA does not provide that for Engineering.

If you are working with means (averages), you can add them together to get a composite. UVA publishes an mean of 758 Math and 718 Verbal for engineering for 2022 entering class for an overall mean of 1476.

Someone posted above that the mean for TJ is 1533. IF THAT IS TRUE, it would be higher than the mean at UVA Engineering.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

The mean for UVA engineering is around 1550+ which is greater than TJ's paltry 1533 and probably why so many TJ students don't make the cut.

The mean (average) for UVA engineering is not 1550. It is 1476 for 2022.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

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Anonymous wrote:TJ is insane. Honors classes are taught like AP classes. AP classes are like college and post AP like grad school.

Is anything not difficult at TJ, other than taking a selfie standing outside!

Inside of the school is like a homework hurricane, with quizzes and tests that get graded with a sternness usually reserved for judging chili cook-offs!

And as if that weren't enough, Honors classes are served up with an extra helping of "AP-ness," AP classes are like a fast-track to college, and post-AP courses? Well, they're basically a PhD in academic endurance!

This is laughable. It's pretty much like any FCPS school. It would be best if you people got over it already.

Absolutely not. You have no idea how difficult the courses are and the rigor TJ has. Unlike regular Hig Schools were attending a class and covering the material taught ensures an A, in TJ only 25% of what is taught actually is part of the test/quiz. The kids are expected to research and go into too much depth. Most of the teachers expect self study/reasearch and openly say the rigor is comparable to college courses.

LOLs you can take most of the same classes at any HS. TJ isn't really anything special.

Graduating TJ in the top 1/2 is like getting a STEM degree from a relatively weak STEM place like UVA.

Perhaps but not like many TJ grads can even get into UVA these days.

Only if you graduate in the bottom 10%.

In all fairness not many TJ grads even qualify even those in the top half. It's pretty sad really.

UVA's e-school even has an average SAT over 1550 which is well above TJ's median score. It just goes to show how far standards at TJ have fallen.

Nope, the SAT is a very low ceiling test. Anything from high 1400s to 1600 does not meaningfully differentiate anything about a student. This is the reason why many top schools don't care about the SAT for high end scores, they only care if the student scores low because that suggests something might be wrong.

Wrong e-school SAT average is around 125 points above the UVA average and well above TJ's.

UVA average for 2022 entering class excluding Engineering was 1450 (test optional). Engineering was 1476. So Engineering was 26 points higher, but not 125 points.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

I don't think UVA publishes an overall percentile scores (Math + Verbal) by school. They publish separate Math and Verbal percentiles by school and they publish a mean for Math and Verbal. For Engineering, the Math median (50th percentile) was 770 and the Verbal median was 730. But you can't add them to get a true composite median. That has to be separately calculated and UVA does not provide that for Engineering.

If you are working with means (averages), you can add them together to get a composite. UVA publishes an mean of 758 Math and 718 Verbal for engineering for 2022 entering class for an overall mean of 1476.

Someone posted above that the mean for TJ is 1533. IF THAT IS TRUE, it would be higher than the mean at UVA Engineering.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

The mean for UVA engineering is around 1550+ which is greater than TJ's paltry 1533 and probably why so many TJ students don't make the cut.

The mean (average) for UVA engineering is not 1550. It is 1476 for 2022.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

No it's 1550. In fact, I know a couple TJ kids with that score who were rejected from engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ is insane. Honors classes are taught like AP classes. AP classes are like college and post AP like grad school.

Is anything not difficult at TJ, other than taking a selfie standing outside!

Inside of the school is like a homework hurricane, with quizzes and tests that get graded with a sternness usually reserved for judging chili cook-offs!

And as if that weren't enough, Honors classes are served up with an extra helping of "AP-ness," AP classes are like a fast-track to college, and post-AP courses? Well, they're basically a PhD in academic endurance!

This is laughable. It's pretty much like any FCPS school. It would be best if you people got over it already.

Absolutely not. You have no idea how difficult the courses are and the rigor TJ has. Unlike regular Hig Schools were attending a class and covering the material taught ensures an A, in TJ only 25% of what is taught actually is part of the test/quiz. The kids are expected to research and go into too much depth. Most of the teachers expect self study/reasearch and openly say the rigor is comparable to college courses.

LOLs you can take most of the same classes at any HS. TJ isn't really anything special.

Graduating TJ in the top 1/2 is like getting a STEM degree from a relatively weak STEM place like UVA.

Perhaps but not like many TJ grads can even get into UVA these days.

Only if you graduate in the bottom 10%.

In all fairness not many TJ grads even qualify even those in the top half. It's pretty sad really.

UVA's e-school even has an average SAT over 1550 which is well above TJ's median score. It just goes to show how far standards at TJ have fallen.

Nope, the SAT is a very low ceiling test. Anything from high 1400s to 1600 does not meaningfully differentiate anything about a student. This is the reason why many top schools don't care about the SAT for high end scores, they only care if the student scores low because that suggests something might be wrong.

Wrong e-school SAT average is around 125 points above the UVA average and well above TJ's.

UVA average for 2022 entering class excluding Engineering was 1450 (test optional). Engineering was 1476. So Engineering was 26 points higher, but not 125 points.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

I just looked this up and the 50% for Arts and science was 1475 according to the data on their website but engineering was closer to 1550.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ is insane. Honors classes are taught like AP classes. AP classes are like college and post AP like grad school.

Is anything not difficult at TJ, other than taking a selfie standing outside!

Inside of the school is like a homework hurricane, with quizzes and tests that get graded with a sternness usually reserved for judging chili cook-offs!

And as if that weren't enough, Honors classes are served up with an extra helping of "AP-ness," AP classes are like a fast-track to college, and post-AP courses? Well, they're basically a PhD in academic endurance!

This is laughable. It's pretty much like any FCPS school. It would be best if you people got over it already.

Absolutely not. You have no idea how difficult the courses are and the rigor TJ has. Unlike regular Hig Schools were attending a class and covering the material taught ensures an A, in TJ only 25% of what is taught actually is part of the test/quiz. The kids are expected to research and go into too much depth. Most of the teachers expect self study/reasearch and openly say the rigor is comparable to college courses.

LOLs you can take most of the same classes at any HS. TJ isn't really anything special.

Graduating TJ in the top 1/2 is like getting a STEM degree from a relatively weak STEM place like UVA.

Perhaps but not like many TJ grads can even get into UVA these days.

Only if you graduate in the bottom 10%.

In all fairness not many TJ grads even qualify even those in the top half. It's pretty sad really.

UVA's e-school even has an average SAT over 1550 which is well above TJ's median score. It just goes to show how far standards at TJ have fallen.

Nope, the SAT is a very low ceiling test. Anything from high 1400s to 1600 does not meaningfully differentiate anything about a student. This is the reason why many top schools don't care about the SAT for high end scores, they only care if the student scores low because that suggests something might be wrong.

Wrong e-school SAT average is around 125 points above the UVA average and well above TJ's.

UVA average for 2022 entering class excluding Engineering was 1450 (test optional). Engineering was 1476. So Engineering was 26 points higher, but not 125 points.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

I just looked this up and the 50% for Arts and science was 1475 according to the data on their website but engineering was closer to 1550.

Fact free thread.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ is insane. Honors classes are taught like AP classes. AP classes are like college and post AP like grad school.

Is anything not difficult at TJ, other than taking a selfie standing outside!

Inside of the school is like a homework hurricane, with quizzes and tests that get graded with a sternness usually reserved for judging chili cook-offs!

And as if that weren't enough, Honors classes are served up with an extra helping of "AP-ness," AP classes are like a fast-track to college, and post-AP courses? Well, they're basically a PhD in academic endurance!

This is laughable. It's pretty much like any FCPS school. It would be best if you people got over it already.

Absolutely not. You have no idea how difficult the courses are and the rigor TJ has. Unlike regular Hig Schools were attending a class and covering the material taught ensures an A, in TJ only 25% of what is taught actually is part of the test/quiz. The kids are expected to research and go into too much depth. Most of the teachers expect self study/reasearch and openly say the rigor is comparable to college courses.

LOLs you can take most of the same classes at any HS. TJ isn't really anything special.

Graduating TJ in the top 1/2 is like getting a STEM degree from a relatively weak STEM place like UVA.

Perhaps but not like many TJ grads can even get into UVA these days.

Only if you graduate in the bottom 10%.

In all fairness not many TJ grads even qualify even those in the top half. It's pretty sad really.

UVA's e-school even has an average SAT over 1550 which is well above TJ's median score. It just goes to show how far standards at TJ have fallen.

Nope, the SAT is a very low ceiling test. Anything from high 1400s to 1600 does not meaningfully differentiate anything about a student. This is the reason why many top schools don't care about the SAT for high end scores, they only care if the student scores low because that suggests something might be wrong.

Wrong e-school SAT average is around 125 points above the UVA average and well above TJ's.

UVA average for 2022 entering class excluding Engineering was 1450 (test optional). Engineering was 1476. So Engineering was 26 points higher, but not 125 points.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

I just looked this up and the 50% for Arts and science was 1475 according to the data on their website but engineering was closer to 1550.

No, overall is 1360 and Engineering is 1480.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ is insane. Honors classes are taught like AP classes. AP classes are like college and post AP like grad school.

Is anything not difficult at TJ, other than taking a selfie standing outside!

Inside of the school is like a homework hurricane, with quizzes and tests that get graded with a sternness usually reserved for judging chili cook-offs!

And as if that weren't enough, Honors classes are served up with an extra helping of "AP-ness," AP classes are like a fast-track to college, and post-AP courses? Well, they're basically a PhD in academic endurance!

This is laughable. It's pretty much like any FCPS school. It would be best if you people got over it already.

Absolutely not. You have no idea how difficult the courses are and the rigor TJ has. Unlike regular Hig Schools were attending a class and covering the material taught ensures an A, in TJ only 25% of what is taught actually is part of the test/quiz. The kids are expected to research and go into too much depth. Most of the teachers expect self study/reasearch and openly say the rigor is comparable to college courses.

LOLs you can take most of the same classes at any HS. TJ isn't really anything special.

Graduating TJ in the top 1/2 is like getting a STEM degree from a relatively weak STEM place like UVA.

Perhaps but not like many TJ grads can even get into UVA these days.

Only if you graduate in the bottom 10%.

In all fairness not many TJ grads even qualify even those in the top half. It's pretty sad really.

UVA's e-school even has an average SAT over 1550 which is well above TJ's median score. It just goes to show how far standards at TJ have fallen.

Nope, the SAT is a very low ceiling test. Anything from high 1400s to 1600 does not meaningfully differentiate anything about a student. This is the reason why many top schools don't care about the SAT for high end scores, they only care if the student scores low because that suggests something might be wrong.

Wrong e-school SAT average is around 125 points above the UVA average and well above TJ's.

UVA average for 2022 entering class excluding Engineering was 1450 (test optional). Engineering was 1476. So Engineering was 26 points higher, but not 125 points.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

I just looked this up and the 50% for Arts and science was 1475 according to the data on their website but engineering was closer to 1550.

I know but the UVA haters will just post lies. Everyone knows UVA STEM is far more selective than TJ since most TJ kids can't even get in.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ is insane. Honors classes are taught like AP classes. AP classes are like college and post AP like grad school.

Is anything not difficult at TJ, other than taking a selfie standing outside!

Inside of the school is like a homework hurricane, with quizzes and tests that get graded with a sternness usually reserved for judging chili cook-offs!

And as if that weren't enough, Honors classes are served up with an extra helping of "AP-ness," AP classes are like a fast-track to college, and post-AP courses? Well, they're basically a PhD in academic endurance!

This is laughable. It's pretty much like any FCPS school. It would be best if you people got over it already.

Absolutely not. You have no idea how difficult the courses are and the rigor TJ has. Unlike regular Hig Schools were attending a class and covering the material taught ensures an A, in TJ only 25% of what is taught actually is part of the test/quiz. The kids are expected to research and go into too much depth. Most of the teachers expect self study/reasearch and openly say the rigor is comparable to college courses.

LOLs you can take most of the same classes at any HS. TJ isn't really anything special.

Graduating TJ in the top 1/2 is like getting a STEM degree from a relatively weak STEM place like UVA.

Perhaps but not like many TJ grads can even get into UVA these days.

Only if you graduate in the bottom 10%.

In all fairness not many TJ grads even qualify even those in the top half. It's pretty sad really.

UVA's e-school even has an average SAT over 1550 which is well above TJ's median score. It just goes to show how far standards at TJ have fallen.

Nope, the SAT is a very low ceiling test. Anything from high 1400s to 1600 does not meaningfully differentiate anything about a student. This is the reason why many top schools don't care about the SAT for high end scores, they only care if the student scores low because that suggests something might be wrong.

Wrong e-school SAT average is around 125 points above the UVA average and well above TJ's.

UVA average for 2022 entering class excluding Engineering was 1450 (test optional). Engineering was 1476. So Engineering was 26 points higher, but not 125 points.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

I just looked this up and the 50% for Arts and science was 1475 according to the data on their website but engineering was closer to 1550.

Fact free thread.

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Ridiculous thread. So many trolls. Or fools. Or both.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ is insane. Honors classes are taught like AP classes. AP classes are like college and post AP like grad school.

Is anything not difficult at TJ, other than taking a selfie standing outside!

Inside of the school is like a homework hurricane, with quizzes and tests that get graded with a sternness usually reserved for judging chili cook-offs!

And as if that weren't enough, Honors classes are served up with an extra helping of "AP-ness," AP classes are like a fast-track to college, and post-AP courses? Well, they're basically a PhD in academic endurance!

This is laughable. It's pretty much like any FCPS school. It would be best if you people got over it already.

Absolutely not. You have no idea how difficult the courses are and the rigor TJ has. Unlike regular Hig Schools were attending a class and covering the material taught ensures an A, in TJ only 25% of what is taught actually is part of the test/quiz. The kids are expected to research and go into too much depth. Most of the teachers expect self study/reasearch and openly say the rigor is comparable to college courses.

LOLs you can take most of the same classes at any HS. TJ isn't really anything special.

Graduating TJ in the top 1/2 is like getting a STEM degree from a relatively weak STEM place like UVA.

Perhaps but not like many TJ grads can even get into UVA these days.

Only if you graduate in the bottom 10%.

In all fairness not many TJ grads even qualify even those in the top half. It's pretty sad really.

UVA's e-school even has an average SAT over 1550 which is well above TJ's median score. It just goes to show how far standards at TJ have fallen.

Nope, the SAT is a very low ceiling test. Anything from high 1400s to 1600 does not meaningfully differentiate anything about a student. This is the reason why many top schools don't care about the SAT for high end scores, they only care if the student scores low because that suggests something might be wrong.

Wrong e-school SAT average is around 125 points above the UVA average and well above TJ's.

UVA average for 2022 entering class excluding Engineering was 1450 (test optional). Engineering was 1476. So Engineering was 26 points higher, but not 125 points.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

I just looked this up and the 50% for Arts and science was 1475 according to the data on their website but engineering was closer to 1550.

I know but the UVA haters will just post lies. Everyone knows UVA STEM is far more selective than TJ since most TJ kids can't even get in.

Is that why only the bottom 40% of TJ grads even bother to apply to UVA? UVA is a safety for the 60% of the TJ students.

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UVA should be grateful that TJ students even bother to apply.

UVA will become top 50 university without TJ grads attending and bolstering UVA's sinking STEM ship. Talk about ungrateful and moronic UVA boosters.

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Parent of TJ student here. UVA has become a stretch for TJ students also. UVA requires a 4.4 and above GPA. Getting that high a GPA at TJ is VERY HARD. Only top 25% are able to hit that GPA

(avg GPA at TJ is 3.8 to 4.2)