Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

This has always been true regardless of admissions process, especially if you adjust those numbers to top 5 and bottom 5.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

This, however, is patently false. Taken as a whole, the top 10% at any of those schools would probably fit in at around the 55th-65th percentile at TJ. Individual superstars, no doubt, but the 50th or 60th strongest student at any of those schools isn't sniffing the top half of TJ. Not even close.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

This, however, is patently false. Taken as a whole, the top 10% at any of those schools would probably fit in at around the 55th-65th percentile at TJ. Individual superstars, no doubt, but the 50th or 60th strongest student at any of those schools isn't sniffing the top half of TJ. Not even close.

Within each respective class, I should have said.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

+1

The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

Your info is waay off. It's 1426 from the uva's website:

REQUIREMENTS
UVA Engineering undergraduates apply and are admitted through the University's undergraduate admissions process. UVA does not have a minimum GPA or a minimum SAT score. The University works hard to take into account all of the information received in each application, so the applicant pool is broad and deep.

Most students admitted to UVA have excelled in school and scored well on the SAT or ACT. For UVA Engineering's 2016-2017 first-year class, 97 percent were in the top 10 percent of their high school classes, and the median combined SAT score was 1426.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

+1

The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

Your info is waay off. It's 1426 from the uva's website:

REQUIREMENTS
UVA Engineering undergraduates apply and are admitted through the University's undergraduate admissions process. UVA does not have a minimum GPA or a minimum SAT score. The University works hard to take into account all of the information received in each application, so the applicant pool is broad and deep.

Most students admitted to UVA have excelled in school and scored well on the SAT or ACT. For UVA Engineering's 2016-2017 first-year class, 97 percent were in the top 10 percent of their high school classes, and the median combined SAT score was 1426.

WRONG, UVA's website has the middle 50% @1470. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Competitive majors like Engineering & CS are much higher.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

+1

The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

Your info is waay off. It's 1426 from the uva's website:

REQUIREMENTS
UVA Engineering undergraduates apply and are admitted through the University's undergraduate admissions process. UVA does not have a minimum GPA or a minimum SAT score. The University works hard to take into account all of the information received in each application, so the applicant pool is broad and deep.

Most students admitted to UVA have excelled in school and scored well on the SAT or ACT. For UVA Engineering's 2016-2017 first-year class, 97 percent were in the top 10 percent of their high school classes, and the median combined SAT score was 1426.

WRONG, UVA's website has the middle 50% @1470. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Competitive majors like Engineering & CS are much higher.

DC knew a bunch of TJ kids with 1550 who were rejected from UVA CS.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

+1

The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

Your info is waay off. It's 1426 from the uva's website:

REQUIREMENTS
UVA Engineering undergraduates apply and are admitted through the University's undergraduate admissions process. UVA does not have a minimum GPA or a minimum SAT score. The University works hard to take into account all of the information received in each application, so the applicant pool is broad and deep.

Most students admitted to UVA have excelled in school and scored well on the SAT or ACT. For UVA Engineering's 2016-2017 first-year class, 97 percent were in the top 10 percent of their high school classes, and the median combined SAT score was 1426.

WRONG, UVA's website has the middle 50% @1470. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Competitive majors like Engineering & CS are much higher.

DC knew a bunch of TJ kids with 1550 who were rejected from UVA CS.

It's not really surprising that the caliber of students at UVA engineering is higher than TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

+1

The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

I don't think UVA publishes an overall percentile scores (Math + Verbal) by school. They publish separate Math and Verbal percentiles by school and they publish a mean for Math and Verbal. For Engineering, the Math median (50th percentile) was 770 and the Verbal median was 730. But you can't add them to get a true composite median. That has to be separately calculated and UVA does not provide that for Engineering.

If you are working with means (averages), you can add them together to get a composite. UVA publishes an mean of 758 Math and 718 Verbal for engineering for 2022 entering class for an overall mean of 1476.

Someone posted above that the mean for TJ is 1533. IF THAT IS TRUE, it would be higher than the mean at UVA Engineering.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

+1

The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

Your info is waay off. It's 1426 from the uva's website:

REQUIREMENTS
UVA Engineering undergraduates apply and are admitted through the University's undergraduate admissions process. UVA does not have a minimum GPA or a minimum SAT score. The University works hard to take into account all of the information received in each application, so the applicant pool is broad and deep.

Most students admitted to UVA have excelled in school and scored well on the SAT or ACT. For UVA Engineering's 2016-2017 first-year class, 97 percent were in the top 10 percent of their high school classes, and the median combined SAT score was 1426.

WRONG, UVA's website has the middle 50% @1470. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Competitive majors like Engineering & CS are much higher.

DC knew a bunch of TJ kids with 1550 who were rejected from UVA CS.

It's not really surprising that the caliber of students at UVA engineering is higher than TJ.

DP. Yes, it is. For many elite students, high school is the most intense academic environment - colleges are simply too large to be so concentrated as a handful of students in the same sets of top classes.

However, as a different poster said, the difference between an SAT of 1530 or 1550 or 1580 is insignificant. One won't qualify or disqualify, other factors are at play.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

+1

The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

I don't think UVA publishes an overall percentile scores (Math + Verbal) by school. They publish separate Math and Verbal percentiles by school and they publish a mean for Math and Verbal. For Engineering, the Math median (50th percentile) was 770 and the Verbal median was 730. But you can't add them to get a true composite median. That has to be separately calculated and UVA does not provide that for Engineering.

If you are working with means (averages), you can add them together to get a composite. UVA publishes an mean of 758 Math and 718 Verbal for engineering for 2022 entering class for an overall mean of 1476.

Someone posted above that the mean for TJ is 1533. IF THAT IS TRUE, it would be higher than the mean at UVA Engineering.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

They did when I went there and it was +125 over the average for the college.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

I don't think UVA publishes an overall percentile scores (Math + Verbal) by school. They publish separate Math and Verbal percentiles by school and they publish a mean for Math and Verbal. For Engineering, the Math median (50th percentile) was 770 and the Verbal median was 730. But you can't add them to get a true composite median. That has to be separately calculated and UVA does not provide that for Engineering.

If you are working with means (averages), you can add them together to get a composite. UVA publishes an mean of 758 Math and 718 Verbal for engineering for 2022 entering class for an overall mean of 1476.

Someone posted above that the mean for TJ is 1533. IF THAT IS TRUE, it would be higher than the mean at UVA Engineering.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

The mean for UVA engineering is around 1550+ which is greater than TJ's paltry 1533 and probably why so many TJ students don't make the cut.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

I don't think UVA publishes an overall percentile scores (Math + Verbal) by school. They publish separate Math and Verbal percentiles by school and they publish a mean for Math and Verbal. For Engineering, the Math median (50th percentile) was 770 and the Verbal median was 730. But you can't add them to get a true composite median. That has to be separately calculated and UVA does not provide that for Engineering.

If you are working with means (averages), you can add them together to get a composite. UVA publishes an mean of 758 Math and 718 Verbal for engineering for 2022 entering class for an overall mean of 1476.

Someone posted above that the mean for TJ is 1533. IF THAT IS TRUE, it would be higher than the mean at UVA Engineering.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

The mean for UVA engineering is around 1550+ which is greater than TJ's paltry 1533 and probably why so many TJ students don't make the cut.

It seems like many TJ parents have trouble with basic math operations like > or <.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.

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The top 10% at Langley and McLean currently are much stronger than the bottom 10% at TJ so you seem to be predicting improvements at TJ. Let’s see in a few years when there are more results.

The top 10% at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Woodson, Chantilly, Fairfax, Braddock will fit within the top 25% at TJ.

We can look at SAT distributions to really get a sense of how much further ahead TJ kids are versus other schools. In 2022 the SAT average score at TJ was 1533 versus 1302 at Langley. The standard deviation was 198 in Virginia. That means the TJ average was well over a full standard deviation above Langley. Woodson and LB aren't even in the conversation at 1217.

The top 16% of kids (one standard deviation above the mean) at Langley could be assumed to have starting scores of 1302(mean) + 198 (SD) = 1500 which is still within the bottom 50% at TJ.

The average SAT score at TJ is 1533 and someone up thread said that the UVA e school SAT was 150 points higher? Seems unlikely.

UVA's average SAT is about 1320.

Maybe back in 1980 but engineering school admits today need to be over 1550 to get a shot.

Yes, they're attempting to mislead people with false information. The middle 50% for the class of 2022 was just shy of 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Also as the PP noted it's much higher for competitive majors like CS or Engineering.

Maybe, but saying one needs a 1550 to get a shot is even more misleading. Beyond 1500, SAT will not make a meaningful difference in admissions; the other parts of the application are vastly more important.

Perhaps, but then again the median is 1550 for e-school so it's certainly higher than TJ's median.

I don't think UVA publishes an overall percentile scores (Math + Verbal) by school. They publish separate Math and Verbal percentiles by school and they publish a mean for Math and Verbal. For Engineering, the Math median (50th percentile) was 770 and the Verbal median was 730. But you can't add them to get a true composite median. That has to be separately calculated and UVA does not provide that for Engineering.

If you are working with means (averages), you can add them together to get a composite. UVA publishes an mean of 758 Math and 718 Verbal for engineering for 2022 entering class for an overall mean of 1476.

Someone posted above that the mean for TJ is 1533. IF THAT IS TRUE, it would be higher than the mean at UVA Engineering.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions

They did when I went there and it was +125 over the average for the college.

Unless it was within the last few years, the SAT has been rescored several times and also has changed significantly since then.