Sharing pronouns at work

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Anonymous wrote:The answer is that everyone listing pronouns makes it easier for people with non-obvious ones to announce theirs without having to feel as singled out.

I’m confused why you find it so uncomfortable to list yours. All you need to do is update your signature one time and it’s done. It’s not like this makes added work for you.

Maybe because we don't buy in to the possibility of anyone being gender fluid in a sexually dimorphic species. Our including our "pronouns" lends validity to a scientifically absurd idea. So, no, thank you.

Exactly

The idea of a gender separate from biology is simply a subjective belief, like a belief in ghosts - not some newly discovered characteristic of our species

Some people believe in it, lots don’t

This is why I don't understand introducing this concept to kindergarten and elementary kids. It's actually rather sophisticated. First, you need to understand basic biology and the difference between the sexes. Then you need to understand this psychological concept that gender identity is something separate and apart from sex. Then you need to be able to reconcile the two. I can't possibly imagine how a kid under 10 is able to articulate that.

"My friend Bobby has a penis like my brother, and he likes dressing like and playing with the things me and my friends who are girls like."

I dunno, my 9 y.o. handles this just fine with one of her closest friends.

But even there, your very accepting child is still using the masculine pronoun for Bobby in your example. It takes another rather extraordinary leap in logic to believe that wearing dresses trumps one's physical body and makes someone a girl.

I used that pronoun because that's what he uses! He's 9 y.o. His parents are letting him be who he is. He dresses like a girl. I'm sorry if it's offensive to suggest that girls and boys dress differently, but they do. His best friends are girls. But he can't join Girl Scouts (like his best friends), and he uses the boys' bathroom. Maybe someday he will want to do something different, but I think everything about the situation is perfectly age-appropriate and understandable to a 9 y.o.

I don't know. My parents were immigrants, and my kids are bi-racial. They understand that I identify with both my parents home-country and the US. They also understand that they have a mixed heritage and racial identity. Much of the country no longer sees racial identity as so stark. I don't see why we think it's hard to understand gender int he same way.

You have got to be trolling with the bolded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The answer is that everyone listing pronouns makes it easier for people with non-obvious ones to announce theirs without having to feel as singled out.

I’m confused why you find it so uncomfortable to list yours. All you need to do is update your signature one time and it’s done. It’s not like this makes added work for you.

Maybe because we don't buy in to the possibility of anyone being gender fluid in a sexually dimorphic species. Our including our "pronouns" lends validity to a scientifically absurd idea. So, no, thank you.

Exactly

The idea of a gender separate from biology is simply a subjective belief, like a belief in ghosts - not some newly discovered characteristic of our species

Some people believe in it, lots don’t

This is why I don't understand introducing this concept to kindergarten and elementary kids. It's actually rather sophisticated. First, you need to understand basic biology and the difference between the sexes. Then you need to understand this psychological concept that gender identity is something separate and apart from sex. Then you need to be able to reconcile the two. I can't possibly imagine how a kid under 10 is able to articulate that.

"My friend Bobby has a penis like my brother, and he likes dressing like and playing with the things me and my friends who are girls like."

I dunno, my 9 y.o. handles this just fine with one of her closest friends.

But even there, your very accepting child is still using the masculine pronoun for Bobby in your example. It takes another rather extraordinary leap in logic to believe that wearing dresses trumps one's physical body and makes someone a girl.

I used that pronoun because that's what he uses! He's 9 y.o. His parents are letting him be who he is. He dresses like a girl. I'm sorry if it's offensive to suggest that girls and boys dress differently, but they do. His best friends are girls. But he can't join Girl Scouts (like his best friends), and he uses the boys' bathroom. Maybe someday he will want to do something different, but I think everything about the situation is perfectly age-appropriate and understandable to a 9 y.o.

I don't know. My parents were immigrants, and my kids are bi-racial. They understand that I identify with both my parents home-country and the US. They also understand that they have a mixed heritage and racial identity. Much of the country no longer sees racial identity as so stark. I don't see why we think it's hard to understand gender int he same way.

If race and gender are so similar, try “identifying” as a race you’re not and see how supportive everyone is 😂

Anyway, everyone understands how you can be half black and half white - how about half male? Not sure I see the similarity.

[Anonymous]

I’m a woman with a gender neutral first name (let’s say Taylor). People always assumed I was male for years and, even after I changed my signature to “Ms. Taylor Smith” people still would miss it. It would have been hard to signal my preferred salutation if I were Dr. Taylor Smith, so from that angle pronouns are easier in some regards.

While it’s not the requirement in my team, it is definitely the norm among my colleagues and our clients to include pronouns.