Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

Really? What do you think would be “representative of the state” — which includes everything from southwestern Virginia to the DC suburbs? Are there views “representative of the state” that somehow include the FFVs, the Ballston Bros, the recent suburban transplants, the immigrants, the longtime rural communities AND the 20% of the population that’s made up of non-monolithic Black communities?

Well this forum is made of people who come from the DC area, so i would doubt those from southwest virginia or even people from as south as fredericksburg engaging in it. Obviously it would be more insightful to get the standpoints of people from all across the state, as these monuments are concentrated from anywhere from Arlington to Richmond to Southwestern Virginia.

I’m not questioning the value of having insights that are “representative of the state”. I’m asking what that would look like since the PP has decided that “this thread is…very biased”.

Various county elected officials and board members have voted to keep these monuments and statues in place throughout Virginia. County-wide Referendums across the state have also indicated that the majority of the voters do not want to remove these statues.

We sure have some "very fine" racists here in VA.

Wanting to keep confederate monuments does not equal being a racist. Are you that ignorant?

Please list all of the non-racist reasons for keeping monuments to white supremacy. Try not to sound like a racist when you list them out.

NP. I don’t really have a strong opinion on this particular issue, I just don’t want to be like the liberals in Maryland and DC. I think this whole DMV thing is a bunch of bs, these New York migrants have an identity crisis and want to be so superior and different from the rest of Virginia yet send their kids to UVA and VT. Go try finding this acronym in border crossing states like St. Louis or Kansas City. They’ll get a good chuckle. Back in the day all the liberal minded folks would move to Maryland and the conservatives would move to Virginia. Then they all started to get jealous of the low taxes and better way of living and started to infest our beautiful southern state. Take me back please.

Be wary, theyre spreading like termites through the core all the way to loudoun and pw county now.

That kind of dehumanizing language (“termite”, “infest”) often precedes genocide. Germany, former Yugoslavia, Rwanda. This thread is scary.

I agree - although I suspect this is just one racist in VA sock-puppeting supportive replies.

PP here. Racism is a overreaching statement that does not characterize the vast majority of confederate statue defenders. Is Glenn Youngkin a racist? Are all republicans racist? Racism is not a one all be all, is not appropriate to label people as such.

Who cares. The statues are being taken down. End of an era, end of story to most people. Focus on other things.

Not if this guy has anything to say about it.

And what does that show? The person appointed and the governor are both inherently racist?

That they are sympathizers of the confederacy.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: The Confederacy was only a brief 4 years of the South's history.

Beavis and Butthead lasted twice as long as the Confederacy did. Yet we haven't raised Beavis and Butthead statues all around the country, we haven't names schools and military bases and roads after them, have we?

The Confederacy is one of the WORST parts of Southern history. You have much better things to celebrate. LET IT GO, Southerners.

This killed me. I love you, pp.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a reason I chose VA as opposed to DC or MD when moving to this area from Arkansas. I felt as if I would feel least home sick and would be able to retain a bit of my culture from my hometown to my second home here. We need to look ahead, not backwards.

Your culture is celebrating slave holding traitors to our nation?

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No, our culture as in being a Southerner and referring to people as sir/ ma’am and wearing cowboy hats and drinking beer around the bon fire and going to church on sundays. Being a southerner seems to have a very negative connotation nowadays, you know everything isn’t about race right?

I see so your culture is being a Southerner like John Lewis and Martin Luther King, everything isn't about race right?

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How about renaming The Robert E Lee Memorial at the Arlington Cemetery? That is not glorifying any confederate but rather showcasing a piece of history that the Lee family owned that came about to be sold after the Civil War and transformed into a laying ground for our soldiers. Anybody who says to remove his name from the memorial is a true radical, as it is a relevant, important piece of not only Virginia history but American history.

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Biscuits. Cobbler. Sweet Tea. Grits. Honey Butter. Ham Biscuits. Strawberry Shortcake. All monumental IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:Biscuits. Cobbler. Sweet Tea. Grits. Honey Butter. Ham Biscuits. Strawberry Shortcake. All monumental IMO.

You can keep the Sweet Tea (straight up tall cold glass of die-ah-BEET-us!) but the rest is fantastic. Definitely worth celebrating. But those dozens of generic mass-produced Johnny Reb statues put up during the Jim Crow era? Nope. Those can go.

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Anonymous wrote:Biscuits. Cobbler. Sweet Tea. Grits. Honey Butter. Ham Biscuits. Strawberry Shortcake. All monumental IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:How about renaming The Robert E Lee Memorial at the Arlington Cemetery? That is not glorifying any confederate but rather showcasing a piece of history that the Lee family owned that came about to be sold after the Civil War and transformed into a laying ground for our soldiers. Anybody who says to remove his name from the memorial is a true radical, as it is a relevant, important piece of not only Virginia history but American history.

That "memorial" was just more Jim Crow racist crap.

We don't need memorials to traitors. His character was depraved and his life was far from noble. His efforts to keep 4 million people enslaved resulted in the deaths of 600k Americans.

And his "efforts to promote peace and reunion after the war" have clearly failed. Look at how many losers still fly the Confederate flag.

Traitor and loser. No thanks.

We can acknowledge his detrimental role in US and VA history, but we don't need any monuments, memorials, or street signs.

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Anonymous wrote:How about renaming The Robert E Lee Memorial at the Arlington Cemetery? That is not glorifying any confederate but rather showcasing a piece of history that the Lee family owned that came about to be sold after the Civil War and transformed into a laying ground for our soldiers. Anybody who says to remove his name from the memorial is a true radical, as it is a relevant, important piece of not only Virginia history but American history.

That "memorial" was just more Jim Crow racist crap.

We don't need memorials to traitors. His character was depraved and his life was far from noble. His efforts to keep 4 million people enslaved resulted in the deaths of 600k Americans.

And his "efforts to promote peace and reunion after the war" have clearly failed. Look at how many losers still fly the Confederate flag.

Traitor and loser. No thanks.

We can acknowledge his detrimental role in US and VA history, but we don't need any monuments, memorials, or street signs.

So what solution do you propose? We just abolish the entire cemetery? We dig up the graves of confederate civil war veterans? We give the land back to the Lee family?

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Anonymous wrote:How about renaming The Robert E Lee Memorial at the Arlington Cemetery? That is not glorifying any confederate but rather showcasing a piece of history that the Lee family owned that came about to be sold after the Civil War and transformed into a laying ground for our soldiers. Anybody who says to remove his name from the memorial is a true radical, as it is a relevant, important piece of not only Virginia history but American history.

That "memorial" was just more Jim Crow racist crap.

We don't need memorials to traitors. His character was depraved and his life was far from noble. His efforts to keep 4 million people enslaved resulted in the deaths of 600k Americans.

And his "efforts to promote peace and reunion after the war" have clearly failed. Look at how many losers still fly the Confederate flag.

Traitor and loser. No thanks.

We can acknowledge his detrimental role in US and VA history, but we don't need any monuments, memorials, or street signs.

So what solution do you propose? We just abolish the entire cemetery? We dig up the graves of confederate civil war veterans? We give the land back to the Lee family?

DP seriously? Arlington National Cemetery is a United States military cemetery. There are 16,000 Union soldiers buried there. Why should these loyal soldiers have to be slapped in the face by having a memorial to a treasonous union officer? The rebel troops buried in Arlington are either POW deaths or mistaken remains. With the current demands for space at Arlington we should look in to removing the rebel troops buried there to a more appropriate place. This would free space for loyal American service member who would like to be buried there.

Lee’s Memorial needs to be taken down and all glory and honors stripped. Arlington House should reflect that Arlington cemetery was a way to punish the traitor. It is time to stop glorifying and celebrating the confederacy. They rebel and lost. They need to be put in their proper place. Oh and Lee’s family was compensated for the seizure of their land.

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Anonymous wrote:How about renaming The Robert E Lee Memorial at the Arlington Cemetery? That is not glorifying any confederate but rather showcasing a piece of history that the Lee family owned that came about to be sold after the Civil War and transformed into a laying ground for our soldiers. Anybody who says to remove his name from the memorial is a true radical, as it is a relevant, important piece of not only Virginia history but American history.

That "memorial" was just more Jim Crow racist crap.

We don't need memorials to traitors. His character was depraved and his life was far from noble. His efforts to keep 4 million people enslaved resulted in the deaths of 600k Americans.

And his "efforts to promote peace and reunion after the war" have clearly failed. Look at how many losers still fly the Confederate flag.

Traitor and loser. No thanks.

We can acknowledge his detrimental role in US and VA history, but we don't need any monuments, memorials, or street signs.

So what solution do you propose? We just abolish the entire cemetery? We dig up the graves of confederate civil war veterans? We give the land back to the Lee family?

DP seriously? Arlington National Cemetery is a United States military cemetery. There are 16,000 Union soldiers buried there. Why should these loyal soldiers have to be slapped in the face by having a memorial to a treasonous union officer? The rebel troops buried in Arlington are either POW deaths or mistaken remains. With the current demands for space at Arlington we should look in to removing the rebel troops buried there to a more appropriate place. This would free space for loyal American service member who would like to be buried there.

Lee’s Memorial needs to be taken down and all glory and honors stripped. Arlington House should reflect that Arlington cemetery was a way to punish the traitor. It is time to stop glorifying and celebrating the confederacy. They rebel and lost. They need to be put in their proper place. Oh and Lee’s family was compensated for the seizure of their land.

He wasn't treasonous, everyone was pardoned. You keep using that word but it's incorrect.

Having his family home turned into an American military cemetery seems like the best punishment .

For those saying that the Confederacy was only 4 years, the Lee family was active in the community before and after the war. They were good people.

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Robert E. Lee is known to have broken up slave families and to have ordered the lashing of slaves who tried to escape early (and were scheduled to be freed under his father in laws will) and bathed their wounds in brine.

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Anonymous wrote:How about renaming The Robert E Lee Memorial at the Arlington Cemetery? That is not glorifying any confederate but rather showcasing a piece of history that the Lee family owned that came about to be sold after the Civil War and transformed into a laying ground for our soldiers. Anybody who says to remove his name from the memorial is a true radical, as it is a relevant, important piece of not only Virginia history but American history.

That "memorial" was just more Jim Crow racist crap.

We don't need memorials to traitors. His character was depraved and his life was far from noble. His efforts to keep 4 million people enslaved resulted in the deaths of 600k Americans.

And his "efforts to promote peace and reunion after the war" have clearly failed. Look at how many losers still fly the Confederate flag.

Traitor and loser. No thanks.

We can acknowledge his detrimental role in US and VA history, but we don't need any monuments, memorials, or street signs.

So what solution do you propose? We just abolish the entire cemetery? We dig up the graves of confederate civil war veterans? We give the land back to the Lee family?

Huh? No, the government bought that land and will continue to use it.

Replace the “memorial” signage with a panel describing the history of the property (including enslaved people) and how it ended up in government hands. No need to “memorialize” Lee at Arlington House - or anywhere on public land.

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Anonymous wrote:How about renaming The Robert E Lee Memorial at the Arlington Cemetery? That is not glorifying any confederate but rather showcasing a piece of history that the Lee family owned that came about to be sold after the Civil War and transformed into a laying ground for our soldiers. Anybody who says to remove his name from the memorial is a true radical, as it is a relevant, important piece of not only Virginia history but American history.

That "memorial" was just more Jim Crow racist crap.

We don't need memorials to traitors. His character was depraved and his life was far from noble. His efforts to keep 4 million people enslaved resulted in the deaths of 600k Americans.

And his "efforts to promote peace and reunion after the war" have clearly failed. Look at how many losers still fly the Confederate flag.

Traitor and loser. No thanks.

We can acknowledge his detrimental role in US and VA history, but we don't need any monuments, memorials, or street signs.

So what solution do you propose? We just abolish the entire cemetery? We dig up the graves of confederate civil war veterans? We give the land back to the Lee family?

DP seriously? Arlington National Cemetery is a United States military cemetery. There are 16,000 Union soldiers buried there. Why should these loyal soldiers have to be slapped in the face by having a memorial to a treasonous union officer? The rebel troops buried in Arlington are either POW deaths or mistaken remains. With the current demands for space at Arlington we should look in to removing the rebel troops buried there to a more appropriate place. This would free space for loyal American service member who would like to be buried there.

Lee’s Memorial needs to be taken down and all glory and honors stripped. Arlington House should reflect that Arlington cemetery was a way to punish the traitor. It is time to stop glorifying and celebrating the confederacy. They rebel and lost. They need to be put in their proper place. Oh and Lee’s family was compensated for the seizure of their land.

He wasn't treasonous, everyone was pardoned. You keep using that word but it's incorrect.

Having his family home turned into an American military cemetery seems like the best punishment .

For those saying that the Confederacy was only 4 years, the Lee family was active in the community before and after the war. They were good people.

He was a traitor and lost his rights as a citizen. He died unpardoned.

And it was his wife’s home. Not his.

“Good people” don’t fight against their country.
“Good people” don’t enslave others.
“Good people” don’t kill 600k men in an effort to keep 4M people enslaved.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

Really? What do you think would be “representative of the state” — which includes everything from southwestern Virginia to the DC suburbs? Are there views “representative of the state” that somehow include the FFVs, the Ballston Bros, the recent suburban transplants, the immigrants, the longtime rural communities AND the 20% of the population that’s made up of non-monolithic Black communities?

Well this forum is made of people who come from the DC area, so i would doubt those from southwest virginia or even people from as south as fredericksburg engaging in it. Obviously it would be more insightful to get the standpoints of people from all across the state, as these monuments are concentrated from anywhere from Arlington to Richmond to Southwestern Virginia.

I’m not questioning the value of having insights that are “representative of the state”. I’m asking what that would look like since the PP has decided that “this thread is…very biased”.

Various county elected officials and board members have voted to keep these monuments and statues in place throughout Virginia. County-wide Referendums across the state have also indicated that the majority of the voters do not want to remove these statues.

We sure have some "very fine" racists here in VA.

Wanting to keep confederate monuments does not equal being a racist. Are you that ignorant?

Please list all of the non-racist reasons for keeping monuments to white supremacy. Try not to sound like a racist when you list them out.

NP. I don’t really have a strong opinion on this particular issue, I just don’t want to be like the liberals in Maryland and DC. I think this whole DMV thing is a bunch of bs, these New York migrants have an identity crisis and want to be so superior and different from the rest of Virginia yet send their kids to UVA and VT. Go try finding this acronym in border crossing states like St. Louis or Kansas City. They’ll get a good chuckle. Back in the day all the liberal minded folks would move to Maryland and the conservatives would move to Virginia. Then they all started to get jealous of the low taxes and better way of living and started to infest our beautiful southern state. Take me back please.

Be wary, theyre spreading like termites through the core all the way to loudoun and pw county now.

That kind of dehumanizing language (“termite”, “infest”) often precedes genocide. Germany, former Yugoslavia, Rwanda. This thread is scary.

I agree - although I suspect this is just one racist in VA sock-puppeting supportive replies.

PP here. Racism is a overreaching statement that does not characterize the vast majority of confederate statue defenders. Is Glenn Youngkin a racist? Are all republicans racist? Racism is not a one all be all, is not appropriate to label people as such.

If the shoe fits…

If they don’t want to be thought of as racists, maybe they shouldn’t act like racists.