Thoughts on MC Elite?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if you can switch teams mid season?

I very seriously doubt anyone will take a new player on now but it doesn't hurt to ask around. the question that needs to be answered is why would you be looking to move midseason?

I think people are freaking out because of the sale?

If they are selling to St. James as the rumor says if JR has nothing to do with the new MCE they are better off staying.

I would say they also need to clean house on some of the coaches maybe wit the St. James reputation they can get some decent coaching in place and the club will have a chance after it rebranded Stars MD.

clean house? MCE coaches are not an issue, if they were, STJ would not be interested in collaborating. I heard they are not rebranding to Stars. MC Elite has years of successful college recruiting under MCE that is what STJ is getting, and MCE is getting Kristen Carr UNC, USA National Team. Remember Stars was only middle school until the 25s, so no recruiting class yet. MCE's HS and college impact is not fake news and STJ is fully aware of what this merger will do for the DMV.

still waiting....



HAHA wait what HS impact does MCE have really? And as for those years of successful recruiting, those are in the past ever since JR took over it's been straight to the gutter with any team that wasn't already established before she took them over. The coach issue will sort itself out in due time there are two good coaches at MCE right now they will be recognized and get to stay the rest of that pile will be gone in short order I bet.

JR never "took over" the club. She is the Club Founder. She stepped away for a few years and came back but she started the Club 25 years ago. But Capital and MCE have all the top players on private HS teams, I'm pretty sure. Maybe a few from Pride or Heros. But Next Level never has any top players on HS Varsity teams. I don't have a dog in this fight but I do hate to see misinformation being spread. Also - MCE isn't merging with Stars. They are being bought by STJ. Huge difference IMO.

JR was a co founder and she "took over" sole control a few years ago when the other co-founder left. And that was the point the club started its decline. Tell me again how MCE has impacted HS lacrosse I mean besides filling the benches with subs for these HS Teams. I mean the starters do need a minute every now and then I guess that could be considered as an impact.
Capital has the top players, not MCE get real. The private HSs in the Dc metro area are full of Girls from Heros, M&D, HoCo, Pride, SW. Look at any Varsity roster and tell me how many of them have more than a couple of MCE girls on them let alone starting and then tell me how many of them receive and significant playing time on a top team.

There are people here who do not know the club history and impact. Too many examples but the history is online. All of the current college players that played for MCE were also impact players in HS. Look it up. These girls played with the club since middle school when the NPYGLL and NGLL were critical for development. Lets look at #3 Denver, starting goalie, MCE and a freshman from Visi, also MCE, and two more local commits, one who has played MCE exclusively, the other left after 9th grade, but had already made varsity as a freshman. The data is there, no need to tear down a program that has huge success, take the blinders off to why STJ is buying MCE.

That is the problem with MCE it is living on its past. I have said this before those days are over for them they died when JR took 100% control that killed it. As far as why STJ wants MCE it's because of the location they want in Maryland period point blank to try and draw some girls from the Baltimore clubs. TBH it's the best thing for the girls and the club if MCE is sold and JR leaves and just walks away with all the money she has heisted from parents over the years.

The current elem and MS program is no different than it has ever been. Not living in the past, the measure of success of the elem and ms years is what happens on HS and college fields. Club is just a tool to HS and college success, The current HS players who play for MCE are doing just fine...

Part of the issue is that the really talented girls always leave MCE because of the lack of consistent good quality coaching. If the coaching was better the really talented players that leave when they get to HS to play for Capital, Sw,hero’s and M&D would stay but because that doesn’t exist at MCE they look elsewhere. MCE is not a top tear program and hasn’t been for at least the last 4 years

Always? Nothing has changed the last 4 years with the program, the parents thought grass was greener or wanted a change, were misguided. The 24s have talented players that did not leave had great coaching, r committed and doing great on HS field. The other girls who left r either on B teams and not committed (except goalie), Heros girl quit, Capital A players would have been recruited at MCE too at same level, 2 25s left no loss, 26s r just fine. 22s and 21s did just fine and they were with program last 4 years. No need to put the program down and create fake news.

Then explain the losing record this year.

5-45 GD -496

Care to update after this weekend? GD 500+?

6-50 - 524

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo in general needs to get better options. Essentially it's BLC that is the only one that is worth anything through 8th grade. But then not all those girls will be able to make Capital. Really can't understand how a club like Rebels couldn't be better with a direct pipeline to GC. Renegades, despite being under the same umbrella, is doing a much better job at running their program.

This comment deserves a thread of its own. Not sure how a county this large has so many low quality lax options for girls.

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BLC expanding to middle school really hurt the rest of the clubs as they used to stop and then filter towards Rebels and MCE.

Rebels is slowly picking steam back up with Pixies as a rec pipeline while MCE rec is a disaster now.

Rebels v. Renegades is very different as Renegades is Frederick county and the only girls club in that county, it's an easier draw. Frederick rec is also better than MGLL.

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All the talent leaves and goes north because these clubs in MOCO are all about making money the clubs to the north care about talent development and winning and that draws the top talent away from MOCO

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Anonymous wrote:All the talent leaves and goes north because these clubs in MOCO are all about making money the clubs to the north care about talent development and winning and that draws the top talent away from MOCO

You could be right. Wonder why one of the Baltimore area clubs with a great reputation don't open a club in the DMV? It's fairly clear which clubs are money grabs vs those truly interested in player development

If M&D opened a DMV area club, would there be an exodus of good players to those teams?

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Anonymous wrote:All the talent leaves and goes north because these clubs in MOCO are all about making money the clubs to the north care about talent development and winning and that draws the top talent away from MOCO

You could be right. Wonder why one of the Baltimore area clubs with a great reputation don't open a club in the DMV? It's fairly clear which clubs are money grabs vs those truly interested in player development

If M&D opened a DMV area club, would there be an exodus of good players to those teams?

Absolutely there would be without a doubt as long as they provide consistent good coaching and results they would thrive and may even out the Baltimore advantage over DMV a little.

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Does MC have any 2023 college recruits? If so, can you share what colleges or point to a source? TIA.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes they do field teams but then they go and play in leagues and tourneys that are way over the skill level and just get beat week in and week out. I personally think it's doing a disservice to the girl's wrecking confidence and just overall not a good experience for most of them to get pounded like that week after week.

MCE is at best a B level that is claiming to be the best of the best. Not at all an A-level club and it's not even close.

So I guess that means that all the college coaches who keep recruiting MCE girls know nothing either? Why don't you ask the coaches at Denver, Army, W&L, Michigan, Navy, Fairfield and a whole host of top D3 schools why they recruited MCE girls. You can't argue with their recruiting list - at the end of the day you can hate on MC all you want but they put girls in college which is why people stay. They may not be sending girls to Syracuse or Northwestern (but neither is Capital, which is the only othe club that has a strong recruit list) but they do get lots of girls recruited to strong D1 and D3 schools which is a win for them and the player. And getting access to women's national team players for MS aged players could make a big difference and elevate some of those D3 players to be D1 recruits. If I was a betting man I would say MCE will come out of this on top.

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I think the whole situation is weird

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Anonymous wrote:I think the whole situation is weird

Beyond Weird.

HS Club lax is to some extent a numbers game for college admissions because it's not nationwide yet.

There are 12,000 athletes in women's college lax. Thats roughly 3,000 new players in every freshman class. For above average lax players, this is a potential pathway to college. The clubs know this. The top 30 club teams would likely take 700 or so of those 3,000 spots. The next 30 teams would provide another several hundred.

This is how so many clubs in the mid range of talent are able to have players that go on to play in college.

If the rest of the country starts fielding teams at a similar rate to the east coast, the sport would grow substantially. Even if it grew to a fraction of the numbers that play HS soccer, the college players from the east coast teams would likely decrease substantially.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes they do field teams but then they go and play in leagues and tourneys that are way over the skill level and just get beat week in and week out. I personally think it's doing a disservice to the girl's wrecking confidence and just overall not a good experience for most of them to get pounded like that week after week.

MCE is at best a B level that is claiming to be the best of the best. Not at all an A-level club and it's not even close.

So I guess that means that all the college coaches who keep recruiting MCE girls know nothing either? Why don't you ask the coaches at Denver, Army, W&L, Michigan, Navy, Fairfield and a whole host of top D3 schools why they recruited MCE girls. You can't argue with their recruiting list - at the end of the day you can hate on MC all you want but they put girls in college which is why people stay. They may not be sending girls to Syracuse or Northwestern (but neither is Capital, which is the only othe club that has a strong recruit list) but they do get lots of girls recruited to strong D1 and D3 schools which is a win for them and the player. And getting access to women's national team players for MS aged players could make a big difference and elevate some of those D3 players to be D1 recruits. If I was a betting man I would say MCE will come out of this on top.

No one is debating the past success of MC Elite. We are talking about the state of the club NOW.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes they do field teams but then they go and play in leagues and tourneys that are way over the skill level and just get beat week in and week out. I personally think it's doing a disservice to the girl's wrecking confidence and just overall not a good experience for most of them to get pounded like that week after week.

MCE is at best a B level that is claiming to be the best of the best. Not at all an A-level club and it's not even close.

So I guess that means that all the college coaches who keep recruiting MCE girls know nothing either? Why don't you ask the coaches at Denver, Army, W&L, Michigan, Navy, Fairfield and a whole host of top D3 schools why they recruited MCE girls. You can't argue with their recruiting list - at the end of the day you can hate on MC all you want but they put girls in college which is why people stay. They may not be sending girls to Syracuse or Northwestern (but neither is Capital, which is the only othe club that has a strong recruit list) but they do get lots of girls recruited to strong D1 and D3 schools which is a win for them and the player. And getting access to women's national team players for MS aged players could make a big difference and elevate some of those D3 players to be D1 recruits. If I was a betting man I would say MCE will come out of this on top.

No one is debating the past success of MC Elite. We are talking about the state of the club NOW.

But that is what I am trying to understand - are no 2023s committed anywhere? The info is not on the website as they don’t field a senior team. 2024s look to have 5-6 commits to D1 and D3 programs of varying competitiveness (though there are lots of reasons why girls choose colleges beyond lacrosse talent such as academics and money, etc). These commits attend high schools with outstanding HS teams too and I am assuming (though I don’t know) that would help too.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes they do field teams but then they go and play in leagues and tourneys that are way over the skill level and just get beat week in and week out. I personally think it's doing a disservice to the girl's wrecking confidence and just overall not a good experience for most of them to get pounded like that week after week.

MCE is at best a B level that is claiming to be the best of the best. Not at all an A-level club and it's not even close.

So I guess that means that all the college coaches who keep recruiting MCE girls know nothing either? Why don't you ask the coaches at Denver, Army, W&L, Michigan, Navy, Fairfield and a whole host of top D3 schools why they recruited MCE girls. You can't argue with their recruiting list - at the end of the day you can hate on MC all you want but they put girls in college which is why people stay. They may not be sending girls to Syracuse or Northwestern (but neither is Capital, which is the only othe club that has a strong recruit list) but they do get lots of girls recruited to strong D1 and D3 schools which is a win for them and the player. And getting access to women's national team players for MS aged players could make a big difference and elevate some of those D3 players to be D1 recruits. If I was a betting man I would say MCE will come out of this on top.

No one is debating the past success of MC Elite. We are talking about the state of the club NOW.

But that is what I am trying to understand - are no 2023s committed anywhere? The info is not on the website as they don’t field a senior team. 2024s look to have 5-6 commits to D1 and D3 programs of varying competitiveness (though there are lots of reasons why girls choose colleges beyond lacrosse talent such as academics and money, etc). These commits attend high schools with outstanding HS teams too and I am assuming (though I don’t know) that would help too.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/club/team/MC+Elite+2023+Midnight/4530/2022

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Anonymous wrote:Yes they do field teams but then they go and play in leagues and tourneys that are way over the skill level and just get beat week in and week out. I personally think it's doing a disservice to the girl's wrecking confidence and just overall not a good experience for most of them to get pounded like that week after week.

MCE is at best a B level that is claiming to be the best of the best. Not at all an A-level club and it's not even close.

So I guess that means that all the college coaches who keep recruiting MCE girls know nothing either? Why don't you ask the coaches at Denver, Army, W&L, Michigan, Navy, Fairfield and a whole host of top D3 schools why they recruited MCE girls. You can't argue with their recruiting list - at the end of the day you can hate on MC all you want but they put girls in college which is why people stay. They may not be sending girls to Syracuse or Northwestern (but neither is Capital, which is the only othe club that has a strong recruit list) but they do get lots of girls recruited to strong D1 and D3 schools which is a win for them and the player. And getting access to women's national team players for MS aged players could make a big difference and elevate some of those D3 players to be D1 recruits. If I was a betting man I would say MCE will come out of this on top.

No one is debating the past success of MC Elite. We are talking about the state of the club NOW.

But that is what I am trying to understand - are no 2023s committed anywhere? The info is not on the website as they don’t field a senior team. 2024s look to have 5-6 commits to D1 and D3 programs of varying competitiveness (though there are lots of reasons why girls choose colleges beyond lacrosse talent such as academics and money, etc). These commits attend high schools with outstanding HS teams too and I am assuming (though I don’t know) that would help too.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/club/team/MC+Elite+2023+Midnight/4530/2022

when that 23 team finished there last club season they were ranked 186...

They do have a couple of commits that I am aware of 1 at U of Scranton, 1 at Gettysburg, and I think possibly one at Denver.

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But then 2024 has 6 commits?

I guess the summer will be telling…