Africans and blacks in Ukraine

Anonymous
Yes, neo-Nazis are have so much popular support in Ukraine that they elected a Jewish president. Makes total sense, in the mind of a propagandist.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Yes, neo-Nazis are have so much popular support in Ukraine that they elected a Jewish president. Makes total sense, in the mind of a propagandist.


Russia, Ukraine, Poland, etc. are well known to have overt racism. Their demographics are very white.

Jews tend to be white, fwiw. They are treated better than the black Nigerians trying to flee Ukraine.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another thing that is a true.
Ukraine has a major problem with bro Nazi in government and military. This was widely reported well before the current conflict.

Yes Russia is also guilty of widespread neo Nazi support so they are hypocritical here and just as bad but they aren't wrong about this either.

Don't believe me look up Azov Battalion specifically articles from before the last 2 weeks

This was already brought up in this same thread pages before. One wrong does not make a right, no? It is not about a few groups of people that are reprehensible. Every single person should know that Ukrainians joined Nazi killing squads in WW2. Joined them, cheered them, etc. One should know that Stalin also killed millions of Ukrainians, killed Jews, killed Russians and other ethnic groups en masse.
What does that matter though? Every country has done reprehensible things. Look at us, no?
Just bcs there are evil actors in every country does not make the invasion of a country ok?
What does bother me, is that the similar hatred was not shown when the U.S. invaded Iraq. Both acts, Russian and the U.S. are wrong, both are invasions, but somehow the U.S. was not vilified as much. Or at all. Is it bcs Iraq is not in Europe?
That is bcs the U.S. is that powerful that it controls much of the narratives in the world media. Regardless, invasion of Iraq does not make it ok for Russia to invade Ukraine.


The US was not vilified as much because they did not deliberately target innocent people. Why is that so hard for you to admit?

Or we didn't hear as much about civilian casualties? come on, you don't invade a country and think you only killed the bad people?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Yes, neo-Nazis are have so much popular support in Ukraine that they elected a Jewish president. Makes total sense, in the mind of a propagandist.

I knew one of you simpletons would bring this up.

The Ukrainian people had a choice between keeping a well-hated billionaire, Poroshenko, who had imposed a series of extremely unpopular reforms VERSUS casting a backlash vote in favor of a famous actor who promised to undo all of Poroshenko’s reforms. Choosing Zelensky was not an endorsement of Jewishness or a reflection of some cosmopolitan urge on the part of the people. It was literally the only way to dislodge Poroshenko and literally every commentator at the time understood Zelensky’s win as a backlash vote. Zelensky himself recognized that.

Ukraine is a country in which only one president has ever won reelection. They literally throw the president out after one term as a matter of habit.

The degree to which Neo-Nazis have a hold on the country is demonstrated by Zelensky’s refusal to challenge them. The Azov brigade is just the most famous of hundreds of white supremacist militias that terrorize Ukraine’s streets, beating Jews, foreign students, gays and leftist protesters. Neo-Nazis fill the armed forces to such a degree that, if Zelensky does not play nice with them, they will purge him. I did all your googling for you in my first post, so you get on Google now and confirm all this for yourself.

You would know all this if you had ever heard of Ukraine before this war started a few days ago. People who cannot even find Ukraine on a map or spell Zelensky are now opining as foreign relations experts. Typical.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:How typical of Americans to struggle mightily with critical thinking. Here, let me help you all out.

1. Ukraine has a massive Neo-Nazi and white supremacist problem. Neo-Nazis and white supremacists fill its armed forces and legislature. They have popular support. It is a long-standing and has been well documented and anyone pretending otherwise is either ill-informed (and needs to shut up) or a propaganda-disseminating troll.

Excellent write-up of the issue from today: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment

The NY Times from four days ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/world/europe/militias-russia-ukraine.html

The Nation in 2019: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/tnamp/

Guardian in 2014: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis


2. America and the EU are denying Ukraine‘s Neo-Nazi problem because it does not dovetail with their deification of Zelensky and Ukraine. They’re probably also concerned that people like those posting in this thread cannot comprehend that it is possible for bad people to exist on both sides of an issue. So, they have simplified the situation into goodies versus baddies for the TV watchers who cannot handle reality.

3. Russia, too, has a massive problem with Neo-Nazis and white supremacists. A significant portion of Russia’s arm forces too consists of white supremacists. Putin is a monster.

4. In conclusion, white supremacists are about to fight each other. One set of white supremacists (Russians) illegally invaded another set of white supremacists’ country (Ukraine). One set of white supremacists (Russia) is also a much bigger threat to the west than the other set of white supremacists (Ukraine). So, the West supports Ukraine. The end.


5. Ukraine, despite backwards and nasty views on race, diversity etc etc being much more prevalent there than they are in the West, has caused immeasurably fewer atrocities against and harm to POCs currently and in the past than, first and foremost, the United States, but also UK, France and others. So framing Ukraine being attacked as 'just white supremacists' by Americans is rich.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How typical of Americans to struggle mightily with critical thinking. Here, let me help you all out.

1. Ukraine has a massive Neo-Nazi and white supremacist problem. Neo-Nazis and white supremacists fill its armed forces and legislature. They have popular support. It is a long-standing and has been well documented and anyone pretending otherwise is either ill-informed (and needs to shut up) or a propaganda-disseminating troll.

Excellent write-up of the issue from today: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment

The NY Times from four days ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/world/europe/militias-russia-ukraine.html

The Nation in 2019: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/tnamp/

Guardian in 2014: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis


2. America and the EU are denying Ukraine‘s Neo-Nazi problem because it does not dovetail with their deification of Zelensky and Ukraine. They’re probably also concerned that people like those posting in this thread cannot comprehend that it is possible for bad people to exist on both sides of an issue. So, they have simplified the situation into goodies versus baddies for the TV watchers who cannot handle reality.

3. Russia, too, has a massive problem with Neo-Nazis and white supremacists. A significant portion of Russia’s arm forces too consists of white supremacists. Putin is a monster.

4. In conclusion, white supremacists are about to fight each other. One set of white supremacists (Russians) illegally invaded another set of white supremacists’ country (Ukraine). One set of white supremacists (Russia) is also a much bigger threat to the west than the other set of white supremacists (Ukraine). So, the West supports Ukraine. The end.


5. Ukraine, despite backwards and nasty views on race, diversity etc etc being much more prevalent there than they are in the West, has caused immeasurably fewer atrocities against and harm to POCs currently and in the past than, first and foremost, the United States, but also UK, France and others. So framing Ukraine being attacked as 'just white supremacists' by Americans is rich.

Feel free not to amend my post with propaganda. Every single thing you wrote in your post is a matter of opinion and unprovable. How does one even begin to measure “atrocities against and harm to POC”? What does that gobbledygook even mean? Everything I wrote in my post is demonstrable and factual. See the difference? I am sure you do not. None so blind as those who will not see. Good day.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, neo-Nazis are have so much popular support in Ukraine that they elected a Jewish president. Makes total sense, in the mind of a propagandist.

I knew one of you simpletons would bring this up.

The Ukrainian people had a choice between keeping a well-hated billionaire, Poroshenko, who had imposed a series of extremely unpopular reforms VERSUS casting a backlash vote in favor of a famous actor who promised to undo all of Poroshenko’s reforms. Choosing Zelensky was not an endorsement of Jewishness or a reflection of some cosmopolitan urge on the part of the people. It was literally the only way to dislodge Poroshenko and literally every commentator at the time understood Zelensky’s win as a backlash vote. Zelensky himself recognized that.

Ukraine is a country in which only one president has ever won reelection. They literally throw the president out after one term as a matter of habit.

The degree to which Neo-Nazis have a hold on the country is demonstrated by Zelensky’s refusal to challenge them. The Azov brigade is just the most famous of hundreds of white supremacist militias that terrorize Ukraine’s streets, beating Jews, foreign students, gays and leftist protesters. Neo-Nazis fill the armed forces to such a degree that, if Zelensky does not play nice with them, they will purge him. I did all your googling for you in my first post, so you get on Google now and confirm all this for yourself.

You would know all this if you had ever heard of Ukraine before this war started a few days ago. People who cannot even find Ukraine on a map or spell Zelensky are now opining as foreign relations experts. Typical.


Every country with white people has a neo-Nazi problem. That’s like Putin invading the US on the groups of “purging neo-Nazis”. Just a phony pretext.

The fact that Putin sent in the Wagner Group - which itself has strong neo-Nazi ties and it’s own leader has SS tattoos - to try the assassinate the Jewish Ukrainian prime minister is the tippy top height of dark irony. All while spouting that they will “de-Nazify” the Ukraine. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How typical of Americans to struggle mightily with critical thinking. Here, let me help you all out.

1. Ukraine has a massive Neo-Nazi and white supremacist problem. Neo-Nazis and white supremacists fill its armed forces and legislature. They have popular support. It is a long-standing and has been well documented and anyone pretending otherwise is either ill-informed (and needs to shut up) or a propaganda-disseminating troll.

Excellent write-up of the issue from today: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment

The NY Times from four days ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/world/europe/militias-russia-ukraine.html

The Nation in 2019: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/tnamp/

Guardian in 2014: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis


2. America and the EU are denying Ukraine‘s Neo-Nazi problem because it does not dovetail with their deification of Zelensky and Ukraine. They’re probably also concerned that people like those posting in this thread cannot comprehend that it is possible for bad people to exist on both sides of an issue. So, they have simplified the situation into goodies versus baddies for the TV watchers who cannot handle reality.

3. Russia, too, has a massive problem with Neo-Nazis and white supremacists. A significant portion of Russia’s arm forces too consists of white supremacists. Putin is a monster.

4. In conclusion, white supremacists are about to fight each other. One set of white supremacists (Russians) illegally invaded another set of white supremacists’ country (Ukraine). One set of white supremacists (Russia) is also a much bigger threat to the west than the other set of white supremacists (Ukraine). So, the West supports Ukraine. The end.


5. Ukraine, despite backwards and nasty views on race, diversity etc etc being much more prevalent there than they are in the West, has caused immeasurably fewer atrocities against and harm to POCs currently and in the past than, first and foremost, the United States, but also UK, France and others. So framing Ukraine being attacked as 'just white supremacists' by Americans is rich.


Re: Ukraine’s history of racism - the country’s demographics speaks volumes. Simply put: they haven’t had a sizable demographic that wasn’t white until recent decades. Ditto for neighboring countries.

Poland is overwhelmingly white and Catholic. In recent years, Poland has had white nationalists marching in large numbers.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, neo-Nazis are have so much popular support in Ukraine that they elected a Jewish president. Makes total sense, in the mind of a propagandist.

I knew one of you simpletons would bring this up.

The Ukrainian people had a choice between keeping a well-hated billionaire, Poroshenko, who had imposed a series of extremely unpopular reforms VERSUS casting a backlash vote in favor of a famous actor who promised to undo all of Poroshenko’s reforms. Choosing Zelensky was not an endorsement of Jewishness or a reflection of some cosmopolitan urge on the part of the people. It was literally the only way to dislodge Poroshenko and literally every commentator at the time understood Zelensky’s win as a backlash vote. Zelensky himself recognized that.

Ukraine is a country in which only one president has ever won reelection. They literally throw the president out after one term as a matter of habit.

The degree to which Neo-Nazis have a hold on the country is demonstrated by Zelensky’s refusal to challenge them. The Azov brigade is just the most famous of hundreds of white supremacist militias that terrorize Ukraine’s streets, beating Jews, foreign students, gays and leftist protesters. Neo-Nazis fill the armed forces to such a degree that, if Zelensky does not play nice with them, they will purge him. I did all your googling for you in my first post, so you get on Google now and confirm all this for yourself.

You would know all this if you had ever heard of Ukraine before this war started a few days ago. People who cannot even find Ukraine on a map or spell Zelensky are now opining as foreign relations experts. Typical.


Every country with white people has a neo-Nazi problem. That’s like Putin invading the US on the groups of “purging neo-Nazis”. Just a phony pretext.

The fact that Putin sent in the Wagner Group - which itself has strong neo-Nazi ties and it’s own leader has SS tattoos - to try the assassinate the Jewish Ukrainian prime minister is the tippy top height of dark irony. All while spouting that they will “de-Nazify” the Ukraine. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

Surely, if you can write all of this, then you can read. Did you miss the part of my previous post in which I literally stated that Russia, too, has a white supremacist problem and Putin is a monster? Of course a rapacious monster’s stated reasons for attacking are wholly pretextual. Duh! It’s almost as if, as I have said, there are bad actors on both sides of this equation and one bad actor (Russia) is the aggressor who poses a greater threat to the West.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another thing that is a true.
Ukraine has a major problem with bro Nazi in government and military. This was widely reported well before the current conflict.

Yes Russia is also guilty of widespread neo Nazi support so they are hypocritical here and just as bad but they aren't wrong about this either.

Don't believe me look up Azov Battalion specifically articles from before the last 2 weeks

This was already brought up in this same thread pages before. One wrong does not make a right, no? It is not about a few groups of people that are reprehensible. Every single person should know that Ukrainians joined Nazi killing squads in WW2. Joined them, cheered them, etc. One should know that Stalin also killed millions of Ukrainians, killed Jews, killed Russians and other ethnic groups en masse.
What does that matter though? Every country has done reprehensible things. Look at us, no?
Just bcs there are evil actors in every country does not make the invasion of a country ok?
What does bother me, is that the similar hatred was not shown when the U.S. invaded Iraq. Both acts, Russian and the U.S. are wrong, both are invasions, but somehow the U.S. was not vilified as much. Or at all. Is it bcs Iraq is not in Europe?
That is bcs the U.S. is that powerful that it controls much of the narratives in the world media. Regardless, invasion of Iraq does not make it ok for Russia to invade Ukraine.


The US was not vilified as much because they did not deliberately target innocent people. Why is that so hard for you to admit?

Or we didn't hear as much about civilian casualties? come on, you don't invade a country and think you only killed the bad people?


Targeting civilians is not the same thing as collateral civilian casualties, which the US tries to avoid.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How typical of Americans to struggle mightily with critical thinking. Here, let me help you all out.

1. Ukraine has a massive Neo-Nazi and white supremacist problem. Neo-Nazis and white supremacists fill its armed forces and legislature. They have popular support. It is a long-standing and has been well documented and anyone pretending otherwise is either ill-informed (and needs to shut up) or a propaganda-disseminating troll.

Excellent write-up of the issue from today: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment

The NY Times from four days ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/world/europe/militias-russia-ukraine.html

The Nation in 2019: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/tnamp/

Guardian in 2014: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis


2. America and the EU are denying Ukraine‘s Neo-Nazi problem because it does not dovetail with their deification of Zelensky and Ukraine. They’re probably also concerned that people like those posting in this thread cannot comprehend that it is possible for bad people to exist on both sides of an issue. So, they have simplified the situation into goodies versus baddies for the TV watchers who cannot handle reality.

3. Russia, too, has a massive problem with Neo-Nazis and white supremacists. A significant portion of Russia’s arm forces too consists of white supremacists. Putin is a monster.

4. In conclusion, white supremacists are about to fight each other. One set of white supremacists (Russians) illegally invaded another set of white supremacists’ country (Ukraine). One set of white supremacists (Russia) is also a much bigger threat to the west than the other set of white supremacists (Ukraine). So, the West supports Ukraine. The end.


5. Ukraine, despite backwards and nasty views on race, diversity etc etc being much more prevalent there than they are in the West, has caused immeasurably fewer atrocities against and harm to POCs currently and in the past than, first and foremost, the United States, but also UK, France and others. So framing Ukraine being attacked as 'just white supremacists' by Americans is rich.


Re: Ukraine’s history of racism - the country’s demographics speaks volumes. Simply put: they haven’t had a sizable demographic that wasn’t white until recent decades. Ditto for neighboring countries.

Poland is overwhelmingly white and Catholic. In recent years, Poland has had white nationalists marching in large numbers.



I don’t get this take. Did you expect them to be racially diverse? Should Africans have emigrated there while they were being brutalized by Stalin? Are you mad they didn’t have black slaves back in the 1800s? Why do you expect a European country to be racially diverse?
Anonymous
What country in the world does not have some element of fanatical hate? It's a fundamental problem with humans. That doesn't mean we can use that as an excuse to start wars.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What country in the world does not have some element of fanatical hate? It's a fundamental problem with humans. That doesn't mean we can use that as an excuse to start wars.

This thread is funny. You people have gone from denying that Ukraine has a Neo-Nazi problem to justifying it now that the facts have been spelled out with evidence you can’t dispute. At least pretend to have some sense of morals and decency.

“Er, um, any allegation that Neo-Nazis have a strong presence in Ukraine is a Russian disinformation talking point from the pits of hell…but also this Neo-Nazi problem Ukraine doesn’t have is completely justified!” 🤡 🤡 🤡
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What country in the world does not have some element of fanatical hate? It's a fundamental problem with humans. That doesn't mean we can use that as an excuse to start wars.

This thread is funny. You people have gone from denying that Ukraine has a Neo-Nazi problem to justifying it now that the facts have been spelled out with evidence you can’t dispute. At least pretend to have some sense of morals and decency.

“Er, um, any allegation that Neo-Nazis have a strong presence in Ukraine is a Russian disinformation talking point from the pits of hell…but also this Neo-Nazi problem Ukraine doesn’t have is completely justified!” 🤡 🤡 🤡


The US has a neo-Nazi problem. Should it be invaded by Canada?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How typical of Americans to struggle mightily with critical thinking. Here, let me help you all out.

1. Ukraine has a massive Neo-Nazi and white supremacist problem. Neo-Nazis and white supremacists fill its armed forces and legislature. They have popular support. It is a long-standing and has been well documented and anyone pretending otherwise is either ill-informed (and needs to shut up) or a propaganda-disseminating troll.

Excellent write-up of the issue from today: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment

The NY Times from four days ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/world/europe/militias-russia-ukraine.html

The Nation in 2019: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/tnamp/

Guardian in 2014: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis


2. America and the EU are denying Ukraine‘s Neo-Nazi problem because it does not dovetail with their deification of Zelensky and Ukraine. They’re probably also concerned that people like those posting in this thread cannot comprehend that it is possible for bad people to exist on both sides of an issue. So, they have simplified the situation into goodies versus baddies for the TV watchers who cannot handle reality.

3. Russia, too, has a massive problem with Neo-Nazis and white supremacists. A significant portion of Russia’s arm forces too consists of white supremacists. Putin is a monster.

4. In conclusion, white supremacists are about to fight each other. One set of white supremacists (Russians) illegally invaded another set of white supremacists’ country (Ukraine). One set of white supremacists (Russia) is also a much bigger threat to the west than the other set of white supremacists (Ukraine). So, the West supports Ukraine. The end.


5. Ukraine, despite backwards and nasty views on race, diversity etc etc being much more prevalent there than they are in the West, has caused immeasurably fewer atrocities against and harm to POCs currently and in the past than, first and foremost, the United States, but also UK, France and others. So framing Ukraine being attacked as 'just white supremacists' by Americans is rich.


Re: Ukraine’s history of racism - the country’s demographics speaks volumes. Simply put: they haven’t had a sizable demographic that wasn’t white until recent decades. Ditto for neighboring countries.

Poland is overwhelmingly white and Catholic. In recent years, Poland has had white nationalists marching in large numbers.



I don’t get this take. Did you expect them to be racially diverse? Should Africans have emigrated there while they were being brutalized by Stalin? Are you mad they didn’t have black slaves back in the 1800s? Why do you expect a European country to be racially diverse?


?

I think it’s weird that Americans are saying the USA is worse than Ukraine and other similarly situated countries when it comes to race based on our history of slavery. The reality is that Ukraine, Poland, Russia, etc. have rather overt racism today that is far worse than what we have in the US. Think: 60k white nationalists marching in a Polish parade. Google it.

The fact that their demographics are overwhelmingly white should indicate that their immigration policies are aimed at keeping their country white.

FYI: Nordic countries similarly have immigration policies aimed at keeping their demographics white (and Christian).

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