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Anonymous wrote:I genuinely don't understand the conservatives who are unhappy about cancel Spotify. Aren't you in favor of capitalism? Isn't this just capitalism at work? Like the Dixie Chicks example someone used above?

The government isn't involved. There is no censorship. It's the private market in action. Isn't that a good thing?

Of course it's ok. But these artists are just conveniently in line with current politics and getting immediate positive attention and whatever comes with it. It's not like Joan Mitchell is doing something risqué and losing tons of money for canceling Spotify.

I hope Spotify responds calmly, like Trader Joe, when there was a social pressure to change the names of their product to fit current woke nonsense agenda. I can't despise anti-vaxxers more, but I really hate the idea that people are not able to think for themselves and Neil Young protecting me from "the lies" on Spotify.

But why can’t Neil Young decide he doesn’t want to share a platform with an antivaxxer and exercise his right to control the intellectual property he owns? Why are conservatives so opposed to somebody exercising their own rights in their own intellectual property? That is what I do not get about the conservative position about this. It seems exactly the opposite of support for the free market, personal choice, and capitalism.

this is not conservatism, it's libertarianism. sometimes, they go together, sometimes not.

I am not a conservative nor a liberatarian but I will explain why some people are against this.

There is nuance that many people have a hard time understanding. I agree that it is Neil’s choice to remove his music from the platform. It is 100% his right. However, I disagree that that it is the right decision to attempt to deplatform those with unpopular views, which is what people like Neil are trying to pressure Spotify to do. Now, again, Spotify 100% has the right to remove Neil or Joe. However, while I agree it is the their right to do so, my opinion is that it is not the right decision for large open platforms to ban users for unpopular views. As another poster commented, it is alarming that so many people are unwilling and unable to engage with those who they disagree with and prefer to silence them instead.

Okay, but then what do you want someone like Neil Young to do? Is he supposed to allow use of his intellectual property against his choice by a platform that he views as harmful?

I don't understand why supposed conservatives want to control Young's use of his own intellectual property. It seems very hypocritical.

Neil Young can do whatever he wants. Just like country music stations can do whatever they want. Neil could have just removed his music, but he didn't do that did he. He started a campaign to remove Joe Rogan, demanding that Spotify remove him. I don't listen to Joe Rogan but googling shows that he tells his audience that he is not a doctor and they should not consult his show for medical advice. You can't stop people from making foolish decisions and you can't stop people from having opinions which are different than yours, and you cant force people to acknowledge facts. Banning them only isolates them further.

Do you think Neil Young should be forced to keep his music on Spotify or not?

Neil Young has every right to pull his music from Spotify.

What is annoying is all of your virtual signaling by coming here to tell us how outraged you are after reading a Twitter post on the issue. At least put out a yard sigh so you can identify your moral superiority to your neighbors.

So many fascists masquerading as conservatives.

I don't really care if Spotify keeps Rogan or not. It is their right to do so. It is the right of Spotify consumers not to continue to pay Spotify, also. I don't care if they do so or not. I don't care who keeps their music on Spotify. I have never had a Spotify subscription and I'm not going to start. It is irrelevant to me.

But I care a lot about supposed conservatives who want to mandate that a private enterprise keep content that the conservatives want. That is the opposite of free speech. I am a free market, anti-fascist supporter, and as far as I am concerned, the conservatives freaking out about this are showing their true anti-capitalist, fascist colors.

Calm down. PP is complaining about virtue signaling consumers, not demanding that Spotify must be forced to carry Neil Young or Joe Rohan. Do you understand the difference?

So they are just whining about consumers in the free market? Color me unimpressed.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't watch the podcast. What is the harmful misinformation he is spreading?

I listened to about 20 minutes of the supposedly controversial podcast and got horribly bored and turned it off. (It’s almost 3 hours long.) Don’t think I made it to anything questionable. I’m willing to bet the majority of people making a fuss haven’t listened to the whole thing, but jumping on bandwagons is so easy.

I’m keeping my Spotify account, but I doubt I’ll ever listed to Joe Rogan again. I imagine he’s picked up more than a few new devotees with all this hubbub, though, so well done, people!

I felt the same way. I have trouble believing there are “idiots“ out there who really listened to this 3 hr science podcast and then made a decision based on this info.

Anyone who came out of this podcast anti-vax was probably anti-vax when they went in. Abs why are they probably anti-vax? Because they think the government is trying to hide information from us. And having this guy be banned only enforces the belief that there are secrets that the “plebs” aren’t given access to.

Plus, the first part of the episode clearly stated that this guy had been banned from twitter and was not supported by mainstream scientists. It’s not like Rogan was like “hey everyone, here’s a mainstream doctor who is a great source of information.” To me, Rogan asked him pointed follow up questions on everything he said, and honestly at a certain point the guy started to sound a little loony to me.

I was mostly interested because I wanted to know why he’d been banned from twitter. I think twitter banning him ironically made people much more interested in his views.

Actually 20-somethings do and they did.

If you poll college aged and attending 20 somethings that refuse to vax, they will parrot something Rogan said. I don't care if they are at Harvard, they are still impressionable.

How many people were in their 20's listened to Rush Limbaugh and thought he was "on point" but he was just a propogandist.

I don't think Spotify should stop Joe Rogan's podcast but they should take down misinformation and not post ones that are full of misinformation. So he does a 3 hour podcast, it's reviewed for content and not posted if it is false. Just like bleeping the cuss words.

He literally said any college student that gets the vax is an idiot, they are young and healthy and don't need it.

Then he comes out and says, hey im not a doctor... but the damage is done.

The best propogandists give 95% great on point information and 5% false... that's how propaganda works.

I don't think there were a lot of 20 somethings listening to Rush Limbaugh...
But I mean, at one point do we decide adults are adults and can make their own decisions? It's a problem when a legal adult who is educated at HARVARD can listen to a fully trained and qualified scientist on a talk show and come to a conclusion based on that information, but we still blame that conclusion on "misinformation."

No I don't think anybody, even if they go to Harvard, can listen to a doctor or scientist and discern if they are just a quack or a fully informed person.

Freedom of speech does not protect dangerous language.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't watch the podcast. What is the harmful misinformation he is spreading?

I listened to about 20 minutes of the supposedly controversial podcast and got horribly bored and turned it off. (It’s almost 3 hours long.) Don’t think I made it to anything questionable. I’m willing to bet the majority of people making a fuss haven’t listened to the whole thing, but jumping on bandwagons is so easy.

I’m keeping my Spotify account, but I doubt I’ll ever listed to Joe Rogan again. I imagine he’s picked up more than a few new devotees with all this hubbub, though, so well done, people!

I felt the same way. I have trouble believing there are “idiots“ out there who really listened to this 3 hr science podcast and then made a decision based on this info.

Anyone who came out of this podcast anti-vax was probably anti-vax when they went in. Abs why are they probably anti-vax? Because they think the government is trying to hide information from us. And having this guy be banned only enforces the belief that there are secrets that the “plebs” aren’t given access to.

Plus, the first part of the episode clearly stated that this guy had been banned from twitter and was not supported by mainstream scientists. It’s not like Rogan was like “hey everyone, here’s a mainstream doctor who is a great source of information.” To me, Rogan asked him pointed follow up questions on everything he said, and honestly at a certain point the guy started to sound a little loony to me.

I was mostly interested because I wanted to know why he’d been banned from twitter. I think twitter banning him ironically made people much more interested in his views.

Actually 20-somethings do and they did.

If you poll college aged and attending 20 somethings that refuse to vax, they will parrot something Rogan said. I don't care if they are at Harvard, they are still impressionable.

How many people were in their 20's listened to Rush Limbaugh and thought he was "on point" but he was just a propogandist.

I don't think Spotify should stop Joe Rogan's podcast but they should take down misinformation and not post ones that are full of misinformation. So he does a 3 hour podcast, it's reviewed for content and not posted if it is false. Just like bleeping the cuss words.

He literally said any college student that gets the vax is an idiot, they are young and healthy and don't need it.

Then he comes out and says, hey im not a doctor... but the damage is done.

The best propogandists give 95% great on point information and 5% false... that's how propaganda works.

I don't think there were a lot of 20 somethings listening to Rush Limbaugh...
But I mean, at one point do we decide adults are adults and can make their own decisions? It's a problem when a legal adult who is educated at HARVARD can listen to a fully trained and qualified scientist on a talk show and come to a conclusion based on that information, but we still blame that conclusion on "misinformation."

No I don't think anybody, even if they go to Harvard, can listen to a doctor or scientist and discern if they are just a quack or a fully informed person.

Freedom of speech does not protect dangerous language.

It does not and teach your kids to look up the source of information they consume. Google these so called experts and you can decide if they have any standing to get your respect.

Spotify can hire JR if they chooses and then I can choose to not patronize their service.

Many many people are dead because they battled covid without the protective power of a vaccine. Shame shame on rogan and spotify and many others.

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Spotify is a major platform and by promoting JR so prominently they are legitimizing him - even if he's peddling crap.

Given the amount of misinformation circulating about public health issues (and more) it's disgusting that Spotify is PROMOTING him.

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Anonymous wrote:Spotify is a major platform and by promoting JR so prominently they are legitimizing him - even if he's peddling crap.

Given the amount of misinformation circulating about public health issues (and more) it's disgusting that Spotify is PROMOTING him.

Agree. Shameful. Spotify could contribute to saving lives instead of costing lives

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Anonymous wrote:Spotify is a major platform and by promoting JR so prominently they are legitimizing him - even if he's peddling crap.

Given the amount of misinformation circulating about public health issues (and more) it's disgusting that Spotify is PROMOTING him.

I laugh at your ignorance. JR is a bleeding heart liberal, voted for Bernie Sanders and was raised by hippy parents in NorCal. He is genuinely curious and listens to all sides of the issue. If you want to call that misinformation you're a fool.

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Anonymous wrote:Spotify is a major platform and by promoting JR so prominently they are legitimizing him - even if he's peddling crap.

Given the amount of misinformation circulating about public health issues (and more) it's disgusting that Spotify is PROMOTING him.

I laugh at your ignorance. JR is a bleeding heart liberal, voted for Bernie Sanders and was raised by hippy parents in NorCal. He is genuinely curious and listens to all sides of the issue. If you want to call that misinformation you're a fool.

Spotify can promote shameful, irresponsible, and lethal anti-vax garbage all it wants. I don't have to. Real families are losing real people because they are not protected from covid. Outrageous.

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No I don't think anybody, even if they go to Harvard, can listen to a doctor or scientist and discern if they are just a quack or a fully informed person.

Freedom of speech does not protect dangerous language.

So who gets to decide who is a quack vs. a fully informed person? I thought the problem was that there are "idiots" out there who are uneducated and will fall for anything. Now you're saying we can't let anyone in society, educated or not, talk to any other person, educated or not, unless both people have been vetted? Do we all have to sit inside our houses, not talk to each other, not go to the library, not use the internet, not watch TV - just sit in our chairs and get direct messages from the government, and that's it?

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Anonymous wrote:Spotify is a major platform and by promoting JR so prominently they are legitimizing him - even if he's peddling crap.

Given the amount of misinformation circulating about public health issues (and more) it's disgusting that Spotify is PROMOTING him.

You know what else is circulating? Plenty of information from Fauci, the CDC, etc. Anyone who listens to Rogan has undoubtedly also heard from the CDC that the vaccine is safe and that they should get it. So, why are they turning to Rogan? Do you really think all these people were on their way to CVS and then heard this Rogan podcast and turned their cars around? I doubt it. The vaccine has been available for over a year now, and this podcast just came out in December. If someone hasn't been vaccinated yet, it's not because of Joe Rogan.

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Just a tip...don't get any medical advice about a novel infectious disease from JR or his guest l or the government. Get it from your doctor. If your doctor tells you not to get the vaccine...listen. if your doctor tells you to get the vaccine ..listen.

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And if spotify wants to make money promoteing garbage medical advice than I don't have to patronize Spotify.

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Anonymous wrote:Spotify is a major platform and by promoting JR so prominently they are legitimizing him - even if he's peddling crap.

Given the amount of misinformation circulating about public health issues (and more) it's disgusting that Spotify is PROMOTING him.

I laugh at your ignorance. JR is a bleeding heart liberal, voted for Bernie Sanders and was raised by hippy parents in NorCal. He is genuinely curious and listens to all sides of the issue. If you want to call that misinformation you're a fool.

I don't care who he votes for - his show is trash.

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Anonymous wrote:Spotify is a major platform and by promoting JR so prominently they are legitimizing him - even if he's peddling crap.

Given the amount of misinformation circulating about public health issues (and more) it's disgusting that Spotify is PROMOTING him.

You know what else is circulating? Plenty of information from Fauci, the CDC, etc. Anyone who listens to Rogan has undoubtedly also heard from the CDC that the vaccine is safe and that they should get it. So, why are they turning to Rogan? Do you really think all these people were on their way to CVS and then heard this Rogan podcast and turned their cars around? I doubt it. The vaccine has been available for over a year now, and this podcast just came out in December. If someone hasn't been vaccinated yet, it's not because of Joe Rogan.

They are turning to Rogan because they like trash programming and want to hear from "the other side" to validate their ill-informed opinions. They don't need Spotify to legitimize their idiocy.

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Anonymous wrote:Spotify is a major platform and by promoting JR so prominently they are legitimizing him - even if he's peddling crap.

Given the amount of misinformation circulating about public health issues (and more) it's disgusting that Spotify is PROMOTING him.

I laugh at your ignorance. JR is a bleeding heart liberal, voted for Bernie Sanders and was raised by hippy parents in NorCal. He is genuinely curious and listens to all sides of the issue. If you want to call that misinformation you're a fool.

This is disinformation. JR voted Libertarian. Not surprising that a JR fan would have the facts so wrong.

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Snowballing...